12 on 12 sorta off?

its flowering fine, progress wise.

its getting nanners from shit genetics, at least thats my first guess. it could be the light leaks but doubtful, not to mention the best of them has no nanners

these seeds are literally the equivalent of jar jar binks / deliverance offspring.

1 lux? maybe in tropical latitudes..

out this way it's more like a .1
no matter...in any case, i have seen many a grow festering with tiny red LED powerlights, and not a hermi to be found.
bright enough to see by...it's certainly an eye opener for me....that's all i know

Plants don't exactly see light the same way as humans... not that I disagree with what you're saying about fostering bad genetics and their progeny, but because of a tiny red LED light... are you kidding me?

Not to mention, there is a cycle when it comes to the moon. As was pointed out in another thread somewhere around here, the intensity of the moonlight fluctuates dependent on phase. The whole thing isn't really something that has even been explored extensively in indoor grows.

The intensity of moonlight varies greatly depending on the lunar cycle but even the full moon typically provides only about 0.2 lux illumination, so the full moon is about 500,000 times fainter than the sun. When the moon is viewed at high altitude at tropical latitudes, the illuminance can reach 1 lux.[2] The color of moonlight, particularly near full moon, appears bluish to the human eye compared to most artificial light sources. The Moon's albedo is 0.136,[3] meaning only 13.6% of sunlight incident on the Moon is reflected.

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500,000 times fainter seems like a lot.

Does everyone live with no moonlight or glitter from the stars? Here where I live some nights during flowering time outdoors the sky is clear and the moon is bright enough to see the crystals on my buds. Why arent those plants growing balls. Light leaks are a myth, however to much light will hurt it.

TheTokingKing said:

Does everyone live with no moonlight or glitter from the stars? Here where I live some nights during flowering time outdoors the sky is clear and the moon is bright enough to see the crystals on my buds. Why arent those plants growing balls. Light leaks are a myth, however to much light will hurt it.

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so i don't got to keep retyping shit

Do you think everyone reads everything. If you keep having to rewrite things then maybe your wrong. Just a thought.

goten said:

read post 18 ,

so i don't got to keep retyping shit

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TheTokingKing said:

Do you think everyone reads everything. If you keep having to rewrite things then maybe your wrong. Just a thought.

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Or maybe you're blind, or not so good at reading comprehension?

If you're going to participate in a multi-faceted group discussion, then yah, it'd make a little sense to at least skim through each post in the thread to get a sense of what everyone's perspective/input is so that you can formulate an intelligible rebuttal or response. Unless you'd rather be ignorant of what anyone else thinks or says... I realize that would probably make it a little easier for you to agree with yourself. How could you even suppose a person must be wrong after having admitted that you don't even know what they've said? I guess ignorance really is bliss. Just a thought.

AFA the moon goes, Rob Clarke in his fine book "Marijuana Botany" stated that the light from a bright full moon was enough to stop the flowering process on that night.

Good book to read if you want the actual scientific stuff, rather than uninformed internet opinions.

Research is your friend.

Wet

Wetdog said:

AFA the moon goes, Rob Clarke in his fine book "Marijuana Botany" stated that the light from a bright full moon was enough to stop the flowering process on that night.

Good book to read if you want the actual scientific stuff, rather than uninformed internet opinions.



Research is your friend.

Wet

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THAT NIGHT. and im guessing his shit didnt hermie xD

i trust one book over this whole forum

i read ed rosenthals book and he disproved at least 10 things i heard on this board

My point is if someone comes off as ignorant we shouldn't continue to listen to their spew. Thats you BTW. LOL Why cant you just let our opinions ride. You state yours I state mine and go on. Point is I said I dont believe small leaks are anything to worry about. Grow up and realize your not always right. Later im done with this over beaten dog...thats not you I hope.

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Or maybe you're blind, or not so good at reading comprehension?

If you're going to participate in a multi-faceted group discussion, then yah, it'd make a little sense to at least skim through each post in the thread to get a sense of what everyone's perspective/input is so that you can formulate an intelligible rebuttal or response. Unless you'd rather be ignorant of what anyone else thinks or says... I realize that would probably make it a little easier for you to agree with yourself. How could you even suppose a person must be wrong after having admitted that you don't even know what they've said? I guess ignorance really is bliss. Just a thought.

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And where did I say that small light leaks were anything to worry about?

That was primarily a response to your getting pissy over apparently not wanting to read what others have to say. If you ask me that just wasn't necessary, and it was childish on your part.

Talk about coming off as ignorant... you've just exclaimed that you didn't even read it... how could you possibly make that determination?

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THAT NIGHT. and im guessing his shit didnt hermie xD

i trust one book over this whole forum

i read ed rosenthals book and he disproved at least 10 things i heard on this board

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True, it was only for that night and hermi's weren't mentioned.

I just mentioned it in reference to how little light is needed to affect a plant in flower.

Wet

They're not going to believe you, Wet. Photoperiodism is a myth, obviously.

Back to reality. I just love how persons with no comprehensive or formal knowledge of botany or biology feel so confident in themselves and their personal experiences that they go on internet forums touting things as myth because of things like little red LED lights in a grow room. Some of this is understandable because we see things and we're like "hey... I see that", yet we fail to realize that the very way in which we see is fundamentally biased due to the way our eyes evolved. Here we assume that because we see some light, and because these plants are supposedly photosensitive; well why don't we see any effect? Or maybe we do see an effect but we've already made up our minds that this whole thing is a myth so it must be due something else...

Where I am going with this is that the manner in which we see/perceive light, with our iris, pupils, lens, ciliary muscles, retina (with its rods and cones), macula, optic nerve, etc... is so intrinsically and enormously different than how plants detect it (proteins: phytochrome, cryptochrome) that it seems quite outrageous to me that someone could see light from the moon or a little red LED bulb and come to the conclusion that light during the dark period having any effect on plants must be a myth. That's just baffling because first of all plants and humans don't even share the exact same 'visible spectrum'; and then we have the fact that our eyes physically change with lighting. Our eyes are a bit complex, and actually adapt to changes in lighting (photopic to scotopic). First our pupils can dilate and constrict to control the amount of light that reaches the retina. Then over time our rods and cones can actually adjust; color perception changes (particularly how we perceive black) and our eyes can become hundreds of thousands of times more sensitive to light.

So to exclaim that light leaks causing stress/hindering flowering is a myth because you 'see' the moonlight is ridiculous once you understand a little bit about how a human eye works. Then we can go on to consider that the moon's light is actually reflected from the sun, and how the intensity of the moonlight fluctuates dependent on phase, and how even a full moon is 500,000 times fainter than a sunny day.

The fact remains that Cannabis sativa and indica are 'short-day' plants. They need near total darkness to flower, like other short-day plants. A sufficient amount of light for a sufficient duration of time could interrupt the flowering of a short-day plant; any short-day plant, not just cannabis. Notice how I am not exclaiming that the tiniest light leak in your grow room is going to turn a plant into a hermaphrodite. Some plants might be more sensitive than others. Feminized plants in particular I would stay away from regardless because of their tendency to turn... and for them especially it would be a good idea to let your dark period be as dark as possible.
Now, if you plan on breeding anything then by all means shine copious amount of light on your plants during the dark period to expose the ones that are easily stressed... but if you're just growing out plants for buds you probably don't want them to go hermie if you can help it.

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They're not going to believe you, Wet. Photoperiodism is a myth, obviously.

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Yep, science doesn't stand a chance against internet "fact".

Wet