16000+ watts medigrow: og kush+ 13 x 1kw hps + 3 x t5 badboys + grotek = *HAPPY JOY*
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mellokitty
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hell if i know. i spent the early 2000s trying to dodge the fucking hashplant (it was like today's kushes. you couldn't look at 4 pics without one of them being a hashplant). to this day strains that taste like it are a no-go in the kitty universe. it used to be The Thing back when export quality product had to have fully receded pistils and lime green; it had a nice peppery flavour but had little else going for it, imo. the jamaican.... i don't know. probably the same reason commercial growers like their big bud and critical mass.
not sure what you mean by organized growing? [tongue-in-cheek]everybody knows there's no such thing as a mafia[/tongue]. in all seriousness though, this brings up an interesting point. in my years as a trimmer, i've encountered a few grows where there was more than one boss; the interesting thing is that they all seemed to have been governed by the same set of unwritten rules, usually culled at least a little bit from The Biker Code.
mellokitty
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some gratuitous porn aka the souvenir from a trim; "hey man, can i grab a souvenir, to remember you by?"
"you're probably gonna remember us for about 5 minutes longer than it takes for your 'souvenir' to dry, but knock yourself out."
"you're probably gonna remember us for about 5 minutes longer than it takes for your 'souvenir' to dry, but knock yourself out."
collective gardener
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hell if i know. i spent the early 2000s trying to dodge the fucking hashplant (it was like today's kushes. you couldn't look at 4 pics without one of them being a hashplant). to this day strains that taste like it are a no-go in the kitty universe. it used to be The Thing back when export quality product had to have fully receded pistils and lime green; it had a nice peppery flavour but had little else going for it, imo. the jamaican.... i don't know. probably the same reason commercial growers like their big bud and critical mass.
not sure what you mean by organized growing? [tongue-in-cheek]everybody knows there's no such thing as a mafia[/tongue]. in all seriousness though, this brings up an interesting point. in my years as a trimmer, i've encountered a few grows where there was more than one boss; the interesting thing is that they all seemed to have been governed by the same set of unwritten rules, usually culled at least a little bit from The Biker Code.
I find it odd that there is a Canadian Weed Mob. You guys seem too nice for that. One would think that Nor Cal would develope a Weed Mafia. Nope. Based on a series of articles I read it looks like about half of your export is controlled by a single entity. Trip out. I wish I had their phone number or web address. I have a "customer comment". I find it so interesting because it shows that weed cannot be effectively commercialized. It's just too hard to keep the quality up when you have to depend on paid workers. Kitty, what has your experience been as far as the relationship between the size of the grow and the quality of the product?
Here's a little something I found while searching for Good News. It's good...real good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAc4N_drTXU
mellokitty
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you americans underestimate canada's potential for nastiness... "how's that weather eh?" is just a front. way more body-hiding potential up here.
tbh, aside from knowing that the export market is VERY DIFFERENT from the domestic market, i haven't had a finger on that particular pulse since around 9/11. literally not 2 hours after the first plane, a BUNCH of phone calls were made and received with variations on the phrase "we're FUCKED now".... it wouldn't surprise me if there was some big OC behind most of our exports these days; unless you have the $$, it's pretty well impossible/not worth it for the small guys anymore. the days of running through the woods with a backpack are all but over.
i remember when even the OC pathways hadn't been established yet -- between 2001 and 2003, EVERY small town between here and montreal was FLOODED with primo.... that was going for less than 2k.
as far as room size/quality, it's not as cut-and-dry as you might think. if you offer your paid worker a cut/percentage, that's extra incentive to do well. if you offer to cut his fingers off if he DOESN'T do well, that's even more incentive. even the old bikers know it's not the 70s or 80s anymore. 100lbs of schwag is just as likely to end up sitting around unsold as 1lb of schwag; if they can't sell it, they won't make back their investment -- incentive for the bosses to STAY ON the workers. lately, i've seen commercial product that would make most of the closet growers on here weep with joy. so yeah, it's probably a safe bet that the BIG BIG places (50+ kw in lights alone) are run by some sort of OC. but isn't that the case just about everywhere?
that said, ALL of the organic, tastes-like-a-bouquet-of-lilies-and-pine-fronds dreaminess has come out of rooms that are 8k or smaller. you know, the kind of stuff somebody smokes a joint of with you and you remember what it tasted like over a decade later? THAT stuff pretty much 100% came out of a small op.
tbh, aside from knowing that the export market is VERY DIFFERENT from the domestic market, i haven't had a finger on that particular pulse since around 9/11. literally not 2 hours after the first plane, a BUNCH of phone calls were made and received with variations on the phrase "we're FUCKED now".... it wouldn't surprise me if there was some big OC behind most of our exports these days; unless you have the $$, it's pretty well impossible/not worth it for the small guys anymore. the days of running through the woods with a backpack are all but over.
i remember when even the OC pathways hadn't been established yet -- between 2001 and 2003, EVERY small town between here and montreal was FLOODED with primo.... that was going for less than 2k.
as far as room size/quality, it's not as cut-and-dry as you might think. if you offer your paid worker a cut/percentage, that's extra incentive to do well. if you offer to cut his fingers off if he DOESN'T do well, that's even more incentive. even the old bikers know it's not the 70s or 80s anymore. 100lbs of schwag is just as likely to end up sitting around unsold as 1lb of schwag; if they can't sell it, they won't make back their investment -- incentive for the bosses to STAY ON the workers. lately, i've seen commercial product that would make most of the closet growers on here weep with joy. so yeah, it's probably a safe bet that the BIG BIG places (50+ kw in lights alone) are run by some sort of OC. but isn't that the case just about everywhere?
that said, ALL of the organic, tastes-like-a-bouquet-of-lilies-and-pine-fronds dreaminess has come out of rooms that are 8k or smaller. you know, the kind of stuff somebody smokes a joint of with you and you remember what it tasted like over a decade later? THAT stuff pretty much 100% came out of a small op.
Wolverine97
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nevermind...
TheLastWood
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Satvias make me wonder if its possible for a macro shot of your finger print to positively id you.
I never take pictures of my hands.
Its impossible tho rite?
Idk man I've never even seen one of those 5000$ + trimming machines in person. I don't understand how it can give close shving results without harming the buds.
I never take pictures of my hands.
Its impossible tho rite?
Idk man I've never even seen one of those 5000$ + trimming machines in person. I don't understand how it can give close shving results without harming the buds.
troutie
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my fingers usually have a healthy coating of hash on them so no worrys there
.... and unless you was growing your plants in the hollowed out torso of your cleaner i don't think it would be worth there while getting all csi about it ..... IP address's and hanging around hydro shops seems to be there weapon of choice.... but i know what you mean.. no sense in taking too many risk's as it only takes one too pull the stitches out
mellokitty
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you bring up a good point, woody. i think if i lived in the states i would probably take a lot more precautions to cover my ass than i do. i guess this is the comfort provided by a federally approved program.
that said, i'm not super-concerned about the leo angle in general. if some enterprising leo manages to pull my fingerprint off ^that^ photo, it'll only be a waste of time for him/her; the biggest inconvenience that'll come to me by it will be that he's doing it on my taxbuck.
those other guys that want to kick your door in, on the other hand......
here in southern bc we have the gang capital of canada, which also happens to be the murder capital, which happens to be about an hour down the highway from the body-dumping capital (no kidding). most bc growers i know are WAY more concerned about rippers and home invaders than cops, and rightly so. i know 3 times as many growers who've been ripped off or robbed at gunpoint than growers who've been busted. desperate times means desperate people. i just recently heard of one ripoff where the guy who got ripped knew 120% who did it (they either didn't bother covering their tracks, or didn't cover them very well) -- put it this way, if i had a choice between rectal cancer and deliberately getting on this guy's bad side, i'd take the ass cancer. (and i don't say that lightly; i almost lost one of my favourite family members to it.) when i heard the story, the first thing that came to mind was, "wow, there are some desperate-ass people around...."
i doubt the local gangbangers are going to be triangulating my location off a forum photo fingerprint. (i sure as fucking well hope not anyways
)as far as the trimming machines, i've seen and worked with no less than 5 different models (big red shredder, rolling thunder, spin pro, and 2 versions of the electric spin pro) -- hated every single one. i think you have to have a LOT of product to be happy with the quality/time tradeoff -- a commercial amount of lights, a years' worth of outdoor, that sort of thing. time-wise it is a huge advantage, but you're right; quality definitely takes a backseat. i suspect this is why handtrimming is becoming de rigeur again ... that and the guys that went and spent that kind of $$ are finally at the point of: "welp, i got x number of trims out of it, so i got my money's worth...."
mellokitty
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so i made some topical cream a la ms hazorazo, i think i like it!! (still experimenting though.)
i made up some double strength canna-oil (coconut oil) and cut it with the same amount of cocoa butter (the stuff they make chocolate out of). i just melted the cocoa butter a bit and added the canna-oil and it turned into an avocado-coloured paste; i would imagine if i took it and whipped it i'd end up with a nice lotiony texture but i'm experimenting with dosage and that's easier to do on unwhipped stuff.
funny story: the first time i put it on i took about 1ml and slathered it all over my hands.... 5 minutes later i was like "omg, i'm SO high right now, this stuff works really fast".... and then i remembered i'd just smoked a big hash joint to mehself right before fiddling with the cream....
i put some on one of mr kitty's arms last night. we were outside having a puff about 1/2 hour later, and he noticed that the hand of the arm i'd put the cream on was all toasty warm. like, noticeably so, when he touched my arm with both hands. actually he said it was nice and toasty from his elbow down, and i put the cream on the inside of his elbow.
hazo: i highly recommend the cocoa butter as a carrier oil. it absorbed really quickly, and once it did, all you could smell was chocolate..
i made up some double strength canna-oil (coconut oil) and cut it with the same amount of cocoa butter (the stuff they make chocolate out of). i just melted the cocoa butter a bit and added the canna-oil and it turned into an avocado-coloured paste; i would imagine if i took it and whipped it i'd end up with a nice lotiony texture but i'm experimenting with dosage and that's easier to do on unwhipped stuff.
funny story: the first time i put it on i took about 1ml and slathered it all over my hands.... 5 minutes later i was like "omg, i'm SO high right now, this stuff works really fast".... and then i remembered i'd just smoked a big hash joint to mehself right before fiddling with the cream....
i put some on one of mr kitty's arms last night. we were outside having a puff about 1/2 hour later, and he noticed that the hand of the arm i'd put the cream on was all toasty warm. like, noticeably so, when he touched my arm with both hands. actually he said it was nice and toasty from his elbow down, and i put the cream on the inside of his elbow.
hazo: i highly recommend the cocoa butter as a carrier oil. it absorbed really quickly, and once it did, all you could smell was chocolate..
collective gardener
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you bring up a good point, woody. i think if i lived in the states i would probably take a lot more precautions to cover my ass than i do. i guess this is the comfort provided by a federally approved program.
that said, i'm not super-concerned about the leo angle in general. if some enterprising leo manages to pull my fingerprint off ^that^ photo, it'll only be a waste of time for him/her; the biggest inconvenience that'll come to me by it will be that he's doing it on my taxbuck.
those other guys that want to kick your door in, on the other hand......
here in southern bc we have the gang capital of canada, which also happens to be the murder capital, which happens to be about an hour down the highway from the body-dumping capital (no kidding). most bc growers i know are WAY more concerned about rippers and home invaders than cops, and rightly so. i know 3 times as many growers who've been ripped off or robbed at gunpoint than growers who've been busted. desperate times means desperate people. i just recently heard of one ripoff where the guy who got ripped knew 120% who did it (they either didn't bother covering their tracks, or didn't cover them very well) -- put it this way, if i had a choice between rectal cancer and deliberately getting on this guy's bad side, i'd take the ass cancer. (and i don't say that lightly; i almost lost one of my favourite family members to it.) when i heard the story, the first thing that came to mind was, "wow, there are some desperate-ass people around...."
i doubt the local gangbangers are going to be triangulating my location off a forum photo fingerprint. (i sure as fucking well hope not anyways
as far as the trimming machines, i've seen and worked with no less than 5 different models (big red shredder, rolling thunder, spin pro, and 2 versions of the electric spin pro) -- hated every single one. i think you have to have a LOT of product to be happy with the quality/time tradeoff -- a commercial amount of lights, a years' worth of outdoor, that sort of thing. time-wise it is a huge advantage, but you're right; quality definitely takes a backseat. i suspect this is why handtrimming is becoming de rigeur again ... that and the guys that went and spent that kind of $$ are finally at the point of: "welp, i got x number of trims out of it, so i got my money's worth...."
Well said point. The rippers are a real threat here, as well. The amount of robberies at dispensaries in the Los Angeles area doubles every year. The robbers have also killed the hippie bud tenders for no reason. Just shot them. They have also staked out clubs, waiting for vendors to deliver, and rob them of bud on the way in or on the way out with cash. My wife and I do the deliveries together and stake the place out first. One of us also walks into the club to make sure alls cool in there, as well. Then, we call the other person to bring in the stash. Our best club buyer in Hollywood has a private entrance and VIP room for vendors. There are cameras in there that show the whole block outside. If anything looks off, we can just chill in the VIP room for an hour or 2 until things look right again. It's the only dispensary I truly feel safe walking out of with a pocket full of cash.
The Los Angeles dispensary robberies have been very brazen and mostly violent. Hate to stereotype, but I call it like I see it, and most of the robbery film I've seen has been hispanic and black gang looking guys doing the robbing. I believe that many of these robberies are not reported. I think the club owners would not want the negative attention. There may be quite alot more robberies happening than we are told of.
It's pretty much up to us to defend ourselves. As far as body hiding, we don't have the forest, we have the sea. I own 3 ocean going boats, and the water is 3,000 feet deep just 19 miles from shore. We often joke that I'm the guy to call for a body disposal.
Jozikins
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I'm a mother fucking trimming machine. I knock out half a bow every hour. And that is without music and beer. With music and beer I bet you can pop an extra oz or two on there every hour.
Blasting my fucking tunes right now and smoking a bong load for my birthday right now by the way. These Bowers & Wilkins bookshelf speakers are just soooo fucking incredible, it's not noise, it's atmosphere. Anyone else in here an audiophile?
Blasting my fucking tunes right now and smoking a bong load for my birthday right now by the way. These Bowers & Wilkins bookshelf speakers are just soooo fucking incredible, it's not noise, it's atmosphere. Anyone else in here an audiophile?
Wolverine97
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I am somewhat, but I've always been on the lower-mid grade equipment scale. I always buy Denon and Polk Audio, such a huge difference between what you get at Best Buy and true quality components. B&W however, is a bit more than I'm willing to spend...
hazorazo
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so i made some topical cream a la ms hazorazo, i think i like it!! (still experimenting though.)
i made up some double strength canna-oil (coconut oil) and cut it with the same amount of cocoa butter (the stuff they make chocolate out of). i just melted the cocoa butter a bit and added the canna-oil and it turned into an avocado-coloured paste; i would imagine if i took it and whipped it i'd end up with a nice lotiony texture but i'm experimenting with dosage and that's easier to do on unwhipped stuff.
funny story: the first time i put it on i took about 1ml and slathered it all over my hands.... 5 minutes later i was like "omg, i'm SO high right now, this stuff works really fast".... and then i remembered i'd just smoked a big hash joint to mehself right before fiddling with the cream....
i put some on one of mr kitty's arms last night. we were outside having a puff about 1/2 hour later, and he noticed that the hand of the arm i'd put the cream on was all toasty warm. like, noticeably so, when he touched my arm with both hands. actually he said it was nice and toasty from his elbow down, and i put the cream on the inside of his elbow.
hazo: i highly recommend the cocoa butter as a carrier oil. it absorbed really quickly, and once it did, all you could smell was chocolate..
This is awesome news! I have already passed along the message to the lady, and she is stoked! I have noted the same feeling from most of my test subjects, including myself. A nice, easy warming feeling (from what I understand, thc is a vasodilator so this should be from increased circulation to that area from the application down), decreased pain, decreased inflammation.......seems like we may be on to something...haha. I wonder if we may observe the increased circulation or heat in all limbs from the application down? Anyways, I am so glad that you had success, and I am looking forward to hearing more about how you are expanding on this discussion! Thanks again for all the inspiration!
collective gardener
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I do the Denon and Klipsch combo. My 15 year old Denon amp still blows the doors off most of the shit being sold out there. And Klipsch...well...enough said.
Wolverine97
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Yeah, it was between Klipsch and Polk Audio when I put my AV system in. I went Polk, and haven't been even slightly disappointed. They're 6 years old in Febuary and still rocking strong. Uber clear, quality audio.
mellokitty
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nnnnnneeeeeerrrrrrdddsss!!
(what? i'm allowed. i have an ex who's a sound engineer. total nerd.)
(what? i'm allowed. i have an ex who's a sound engineer. total nerd.)
fumble
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Hello Mello! How've you been? Those are some beautiful nugs you posted. I had a nice effect while making my canna butter the other day...squeezing it out through the cheesecloth, my hands were just covered with it. I have very painful hands, and by the time I was done with the squeezing, they didn't hurt. I am going to be trying bad kitty's recipes with the coconut oil too. I wasn't able to find the lecithin powder, just the granules and liquid. Do you think the liquid works the same as the powder?
mellokitty
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thanks! it's all the same nug, from different angles.
i am loving the news about the topical absorption!! i may just have to start carrying some around to keep my fingers toasty in the wintertime....
i actually haven't had a chance to follow badkitty's recipe, let me know how that goes! i haven't had edible-grade hash in a while and i'm juuust finally starting to figure out the ice hash thing (nods to matt rize) - i'm finally starting to dry my ice hash without it molding on me or turning all crumbly, and drysift makes me all sneezy and poop. i'm hoping to start playing with all that soon. as far as the lecithin goes, i'm not really sure, i've kept an eye out locally but i figure it's something i'll have to go to the Shittay for.... have you checked your local vitamin centre? jason or somebody has lecithin powder in a jar (like the large size vitamin jars).
i started substituting coconut oil for butter in my cannabutter about a year ago. i have vegans among my patients and got tired of keeping track of coconut/butter. the non-granolaheads get stuff like butterscotch and m&m's in their stuff and the local grocery store has carob chips in the bulk section so i'm laffing.
my extraction is the world's easiest extraction - 1qt ovenproof mason jar (preferbly widemouth) --> 500mls coconut oil + 2oz sugarleaf for strong oil, 3 oz for really strong (dry and decarbed)--> 2pc screw-on lid --> oven on as low as it'll go --> anywhere from 6 to 24 hrs, turn over every few hours (if the lid's on right you should be able to turn it upside down without it leaking; if you're paranoid put it on a baking sheet).
if i had a press of some sort for the next part this would be practically effortless. mr kitty was lending a hand today and busted my potato ricer. *moment of silence for a well-loved tool*
i squeeze the living fuck out of it with the potato ricer and put that through a tea mesh, and bob's ur uncle. if i want to use it like butter i refrigerate it, otherwise i just use it while it's liquid... apparently the magic number is 76degs so in the summertime it would go from opaque white to clear oil and back again...
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