1oz per plant hempy SOG?

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SativaSage

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Wouldn't it take longer for a seed to grow to the point where it can be put into flower than it would take for a clone to root? And then yeah there is the problem of getting access to seeds for me, where as I can just buy a few seeds, grow them into mothers and use the mothers to make a clone army for my SoG? I'm still a noob with zero grows under my belt so correct me if I'm wrong, I just want the best bang for buck when it comes to cost effectiveness/great product. I can't have everything ofcourse, but I'm willing to add veg time or change my grow plan, I'd just like large, good potency harvests in a short as time frame as possible (don't we all). Being a noob I figured hempy would be a good, simple place to start and the SoG seems to be the most efficient technique. I'm totally open to other suggestions though. But I would prefer to work with clones unless someone can explain a cheap/simple way I can get a great deal of seeds and the benefits for me by growing from seed.
 
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I would go with an autoflower because you don't have to worry about a light cycle so much and if you leave the light on by accident or the power goes out it will still flower..also a normal auto is about 10 weeks total from seed to harvest.. a rooted clone would take the same even at 12/12 if not maybe longer like 13 weeks to finish. I wouldnt do a sativa based grow for sog. even in auto they can get rather large. als when growing an autoflower you start with 1/4 the nutes that you normally use. and go up a little bit each week.. and dont feed them until 4 to 5 weeks from seed.. and you do have to give em some grow nutes.. autoflowers do veg until about 7 weeks from seed.. after that point you go full flower nutes until week 9 and flush week 10.. then harvest..
20/4 light cycle all the way through.. in 2 gal pots youd get 2 to 4 oz per plant if everything goes right.. and youd want about 1.5 to 2 feet between them.. some strains get bushy
 
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R1b3n4

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SativaSage said:
Wouldn't it take longer for a seed to grow to the point where it can be put into flower than it would take for a clone to root? yes
And then yeah there is the problem of getting access to seeds for me, where as I can just buy a few seeds, grow them into mothers and use the mothers to make a clone army for my SoG? In this day n age getting seeds isnt a problem, yes you could buy seeds and use them as mothers for cuts
I'm still a noob with zero grows under my belt so correct me if I'm wrong, I just want the best bang for buck when it comes to cost effectiveness/great product. I can't have everything ofcourse, but I'm willing to add veg time or change my grow plan, I'd just like large, good potency harvests in a short as time frame as possible (don't we all). Being a noob I figured hempy would be a good, simple place to start and the SoG seems to be the most efficient technique. I'm totally open to other suggestions though. But I would prefer to work with clones unless someone can explain a cheap/simple way I can get a great deal of seeds and the benefits for me by growing from seed.
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Soil or coco may be easier to handle for a first grow due to being slightly more forgiving if you make a mistake etc, good guide for a first grow would be something like 4x4 tent, 600w hps with aircooled hood, soil or coco, Canna A+B nutes and 16 rooted clones with a week veg then flip to flower, nice n simple, also funnily enough the exact setup im setting up at a maes flat for his FIRST grow lol
 
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SativaSage

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R1b3n4 said:
Soil or coco may be easier to handle for a first grow due to being slightly more forgiving if you make a mistake etc, good guide for a first grow would be something like 4x4 tent, 600w hps with aircooled hood, soil or coco, Canna A+B nutes and 16 rooted clones with a week veg then flip to flower, nice n simple, also funnily enough the exact setup im setting up at a maes flat for his FIRST grow lol
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I like the idea of this, it seems simple enough and affordable, I have a budget of $1000 to set up the grow space. How much would you estimate this yielding? Also what size containers should I use and spacing between them?
 
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R1b3n4

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With the right strain and a week or 2 veg time depending on what sizes clones you take you could probably easily achieve 10-15 oz with a 600W HPs and closer to 20-24`ish with a 1000W, either in 6.5L or 11L pots depending on your preference etc

either go for 16 with a week or 2 veg and aim for 1-3oz a plant when done(ish) ,
or alternatively get square pots, butt em right up close to each other and you could probably get around 50-64 in there like this(see vid), and aim for 10-15g a plant, x 50-64 plants would be well over 20oz


also in a 4x4 tent, 16 plants in a 4x4 grid will work out roughly 1 plant per sq ft
 
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R1b3n4 said:
With the right strain and a week or 2 veg time depending on what sizes clones you take you could probably easily achieve 10-15 oz with a 600W HPs and closer to 20-24`ish with a 1000W, either in 6.5L or 11L pots depending on your preference etc

either go for 16 with a week or 2 veg and aim for 1-3oz a plant when done(ish) ,
or alternatively get square pots, butt em right up close to each other and you could probably get around 50-64 in there like this(see vid), and aim for 10-15g a plant, x 50-64 plants would be well over 20oz


also in a 4x4 tent, 16 plants in a 4x4 grid will work out roughly 1 plant per sq ft
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Thank you very much, I'm liking this idea, around about how high should I be expecting the plants to get?
 
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Oh and for this kind of set up, how many mothers would I need in order to supply this grow and how much space do mother plants really require to thrive?
 
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R1b3n4

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SativaSage said:
Thank you very much, I'm liking this idea, around about how high should I be expecting the plants to get?
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Depending on strain they will normally double or triple in height from when you flip to flower ( i.e. if 8" at flip then will be 16-24" finished) but this is only a very rough guide as obv it varies from strain to strain
 
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R1b3n4

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SativaSage said:
Oh and for this kind of set up, how many mothers would I need in order to supply this grow and how much space do mother plants really require to thrive?
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Depends on how many cuts you decide to run with per grow, to give you an example, i have a 60x60cm tent with a CFL and can produce over 100 snips a month if need be from 1-2 mothers that are less than foot tall from the soil
 
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Awesome, thanks for all the useful info! I'm thinking of getting a 100x100x200cm tent for mothers and veg and 120x120x200cm tent for flowering, does this sounds like a good plan or?
 
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R1b3n4 said:
Regardless of what you think is or isnt a strong bud, autos regularly TEST at lower potencies than photoperiod plants, so while it may seem strong to you it is still weaker than a lot of the photo strains etc
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ok MAYBE higher thc content in regs. but still equivalent good cannabinoid profiles.
 
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SativaSage

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Would it be best to have the mothers and clones in their own seperate areas? I'm assuming rooting clones aren't going to be a fan of the 400w MH? I'm thinking of just keeping the clones either in an open window or in their own little space with a CFL or fluro t5s? What would be best for rooting and 2 week vegging 6" - 8" clones before throwing them into 12/12? Also once I start a mother from seed, how long would it take for her to be ready to produce 16 clones? I'm thinking of using Northern Lights for my first grow.
 
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Can I get anyones thoughts on this for a bargain? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hydroponic-6400K-CFL-Bulb-LED-Panel-1M-Grow-Tent-Light-Ventilation-Combo-Kit-/271866667976?hash=item3f4c8423c8 would the CFL and LED be good for my mothers or clones? or could I use one for mothers and one for clones? it seems like a bargain for me with all the stuff it comes with but is the stuff shitty quality or something? I don't want to fork out any money and then find out it could have been better used as I'm not doing great financially right now.
 
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SativaSage

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Okay sweet, how much space and lighting would I need? 2 mothers should be enough for this grow right? Every new thing I read just adds another thing to the pile, I have ADHD and I'm only just starting to undergo treatment so all these conflicting ideas and stuff really does my head in, that's why I decided to start my own thread. I just need straight direct answers to my questions because I have a GREAT deal of trouble processing multiple conflicting points. So I'm thinking 2 mothers in a 1x1x2m tent (let me know if less or more is better) I will be growing northern lights. I plan to grow them from seed and take 16 cuttings once there are 16 worthy branches (6-8"). I will then put them in a propagator with a plastic lid and put them in their own enclosed area under 18/6 or 20/4 130W 6500k CFL lighting for 10 days to establish roots and then veg for 1 week either in the same area or in the mother room? The mother room (1x1x2m) will have a 400w MH light (again let me know if more or less is required). Once 1 week veg is over I will place them into the flowering room which is 1.2x1.2x2m with a 600w HPS, they will be in 30cm square pots (hempy or soil, open to suggestions) so 16 plants take take up the full space. What could I expect from such a setup? Would it work at all and what are some simple tweaks or changes I could make to improve it? Or what are the vital flaws and why? Sorry for my noobness, I've tried organizing grows a number of times but I've never been able to wrap my head around it all and the ADHD has been kicking my ass for a long time without me knowing. Thanks for your patience :/
 
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SativaSage said:
Okay sweet, how much space and lighting would I need? 4x4 tent, 600W HPS with air cooled hood is a good starting point for a new grower2 mothers should be enough for this grow right? 1-2 will do fine Every new thing I read just adds another thing to the pile, I have ADHD and I'm only just starting to undergo treatment so all these conflicting ideas and stuff really does my head in, that's why I decided to start my own thread.

I just need straight direct answers to my questions because I have a GREAT deal of trouble processing multiple conflicting points. So I'm thinking 2 mothers in a 1x1x2m tent (let me know if less or more is better) I will be growing northern lights. I plan to grow them from seed and take 16 cuttings once there are 16 worthy branches (6-8").1 mother would probably do fine for only doing 16 cuts at a time but 2 mothers would give you the option of selling/trading some as well etc

I will then put them in a propagator with a plastic lid and put them in their own enclosed area under 18/6 or 20/4 130W 6500k CFL lighting for 10 days to establish roots and then veg for 1 week either in the same area or in the mother room? The mother room (1x1x2m) will have a 400w MH light (again let me know if more or less is required). Cuts will root and veg for a week fine under the CFL providing its close enough, my snips are under a CFL while rooting n for their veg, then move to flower room n straight under 600W hps to flower

Once 1 week veg is over I will place them into the flowering room which is 1.2x1.2x2m with a 600w HPS, they will be in 30cm square pots (hempy or soil, open to suggestions) so 16 plants take take up the full space.

What could I expect from such a setup? About a pound................
Would it work at all and what are some simple tweaks or changes I could make to improve it? make sure you have sufficient fans/cooling (something like 4" for intake, 5-6" for exhaust with carbon filter) also buy a decent carbon filter like a Rhino pro etc
Or what are the vital flaws and why? Lack of experience on your part, would be well worth a read thru the newbie section, lots of good info for new growers Sorry for my noobness, I've tried organizing grows a number of times but I've never been able to wrap my head around it all and the ADHD has been kicking my ass for a long time without me knowing. Well slow down n keep things simple etc, simple nutes(full grow can be done on just Canna A+B bottles nothing else, simple grow style etc etc and things will eventually start falling into place, my bro in law has Aspergers so i know how diffcult it is for some people to wrap their heads around this growing stuff at times
Thanks for your patience :/
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You've been a blessing brother! I'll start getting my gear together and I'll most likely do a grow journal so in time I can come back and bathe in dem feels and I can have some pros watching my back when things inevitably start to go pear shaped haha any tips on water treatment? I haven't got the equipment required for water testing yet, I'll get that within the week but I'm certain my tap water will need some work done to it. With bad tap water would I be best getting a large reservoir and filling it with all the water I need and letting it sit to get rid of the nasty chemicals and then filling the watering can and pH adjusting and mixing in nutes? Would I need an air stone in the res to stop algae or would it be fine for the length of this grow? I'm assuming I'll be going through a whole lot of water with hempys? Thank you.
 
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