1st Grow - Waterfarm - CFL- DIY Stealth Box - Spoetnik #1

SunnyJim · Apr 25, 2010

patlpp said:
How much are you feeding her? 1-2 ml or 3-4ml? I think you should go ahead and let all plants grow as they are. Why stress the plants cutting roots out. They are dwarfs so I don't think competition should come into play since they are not depleted of nutes.

Right now I'm feeding them about 8 ml of Vitalink Max (4ml from bottle A, 4ml from bottle B) diluted in 10 L of water. I gave them about twice that dilution when they were only about a week old, and cooked the edges of the leaves. Rookie mistake. They've been on the 8ml mixture for a little over a week.

I'll flush the tank in a day or two, and maybe try about 12 - 15 ml of nutes in 10L of water.

And yeah, I will leave both plants. I think I'll be able to manage their growth with some decent LST. I was just worried about how thick the foliage might get if they started growing into each other. LST should take care of most of that..

Thoughts?

patlpp · Apr 25, 2010

Yea, sounds awfully light. You might try like you say 12-15 than go up even more to say 30 slowly. Slowly I mean over the course of 7-10 days. Aggressive growth is 40, but you are running cfls so the demand isn't there to warrant 35. These calculators are designed in accordance to how aggreessive you are growing them I.E. Lighting and co2. Since you have neither you should use the light feeding schedule. However, you have to acclimate your plant to a heavier feeding schedule because the demand will be there when you flower. I found that if you get just slight tip burn, let it stay at that CF level for 2 days. If the burn does not progress, you are ok. Sometimes it's just that initial shock that causes the tip burn. More light would help also but I understand economics usually is the determining factor in that area.

SunnyJim · Apr 25, 2010

Thanks for the input. I'll take your advice, and change the tank over tomorrow with about 15ml of nutes in 10L of water. I'll monitor the leaf tips for signs of burn for a couple days, and if everything goes well, I'll slowly bump up the solution by a ml or two every few days.

Question: should I be dumping the tank every time I increase the nute solution, or when I'm slowly building up from 15ml to 30ml can I just add a couple mls to the existing solution?

patlpp · Apr 25, 2010

That's the thing. I was going to ask you if you have a TDS meter. This is when these meters come into play. It really is a gamble if you add without one. But just keep track of the dosage until you reach 30 than change it out than. I wanted to ask you how the labeling states how to dose. When I see 3 ml/l on the feeding chart I am under the impression that is PER BOTTLE not the net dose. I have AN Sensi grow and the dose for it is ~ 3ml/l EACH, Part A and Part B. Your N-P-K values are not that different (even with the mass/volume difference in the numbers) so the concentration is similar. Is there a way you could borrow one from a mate?

SunnyJim · Apr 25, 2010

Yeah, the feeding chart I use for Vitalink nutes isn't too clear about the quantities. I read somewhere that I should use equal parts from A and B, so I took the chart as the total nute amount, rather than the per bottle amount. I aired on the side of caution, I guess. The irony is that I still managed to burn my seedlings.

I only have a pH meter. I am also the only person I know who is attempting a grow. Shame, more people should. I was trying to keep this under a tight budget, and those meters are pretty expensive. I might invest in one, but I really want to make sure these plants will actually throw me some decent bud before I spend any more money. If I do succeed in a decent crop, I might upgrade my entire op.

patlpp · Apr 25, 2010

Look at the feed chart for the "Coir" which is 1 bottle . the N-P-K is half but the dosage is double so I think you may be right that your dosage is total. I would call the company to verify. Looking at the N-P-K's the coir seems more in line for MJ growing than the Max!!

SunnyJim · Apr 27, 2010

-- Day 37 --

Quick picture update.

I dumped the reservoir yesterday afternoon, and replaced the solution with 15 ml of Vitalink Max (7.5 ml from both bottles) in 10 L of pH balanced water.

I noticed some very slight burning on some of the tips of the leaves, but I think that just might be the plants initially dealing with a decent dose of nutes. I'm carefully monitoring to make sure the burn doesn't spread, but it looks ok.

I'm hoping for some aggressive growth over the next 10 days. New sprouts/nodes appearing almost daily, but still the growth isn't lightning quick. Also, the leaves seem a little droopy, but as the roots are now in water (DWC), I'm not sure what I can do. Hopefully they'll lift a little, but at least both plants look healthy enough to me. If I sniff the plants up close, I can catch a little wiff of heavenly goodness, which is encouraging.

Both plants are tied down, which keeps them at about 5 in tall. I won't keep them that short, but that's where we're at right now. Both are considerably wider than they are tall.

Peace

husalife · Apr 27, 2010

Heeeey I just ran up on your Gro Bro, Lookin good so far.
Imma grab a seat and stay a while if thats cool.
I wanna see how your gals turn out.

fishing420stoner · Apr 27, 2010

damn man, just saw your thread looks great, im in week3 of my 1st pc grow, not hydro through. yours are looking great! im sub'd

*GO FISHING HIGH, YOU'LL AT LEAST CATCH A BUZZ*

SunnyJim · Apr 27, 2010

Hi guys,

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm stoked with the way things are going.

I post picture updates every couple days, so keep checking my progress.

Is it wrong that I want to touch myself every time I look at my plants?

Peace

patlpp · Apr 27, 2010

SunnyJim said:
Is it wrong that I want to touch myself every time I look at my plants?

Peace

That is disturbing........... :-?

SunnyJim · Apr 29, 2010

My apologies. I have a lewd sense of humor. I'll keep it in check.

-- Day 39 --

Not too much to report today, folks. My plants seem to be doing well. Some superficial tip burn on some leaves from the increased nutes the other day, but it isn't spreading after the initial burn.

Leaves look healthy enough and green to me. Not too much droopage, and they seem to be responding well to the LST.

I can't get over how bushy these plants are. I'm not sure if it's just the strain (I can't find any grow logs about Spoetnik #1..), or if it has something to do with my setup. Either way, they're still only just under 7 in, but I'll LST the top node later to bring them down an inch.

I was going to wait until May 10th to flip them into flower, but I don't think they can wait that long. I figure about 7 days and they'll be just about the right size. I need to remember to leave enough room for them to flower comfortably.

Fingers crossed neither turn out to be hermies (because of some noobish mistakes I made), and both throw me enough bud for this experiment to be a success. It would be a shame if I only got a dry ounce total, but I'm optimistic.

fishing420stoner · Apr 29, 2010

damn looking good, lets see some pics of your boxs its self,i hope mine turn out half as good!!

*GO FISHING HIGH, YOU'LL AT LEAST CATCH A BUZZ*

roseypanties · May 2, 2010

keep us updated... great lookin veggies...

SunnyJim · May 3, 2010

Thanks guys.

-- Day 43 --

My girls just went another round of LST. The main stem is growing about an inch every few days now. Things are looking good for flipping them this weekend.

The lower nodes are starting to spout up too, so hopefully this last week will see both girls really start to fill out.

I might dump the tank tomorrow and give them an added dose of vegging nutes for their last week.

My apologies for the quality of some of the pics - a few have quite a bit of glare.

Comments welcome, as usual.

Peace

roseypanties · May 3, 2010

Correct me if I am wrong, but I only see about 3 feet for them to vertically grow.. I know you stated you Low Stress Trained, but are you going to flower them before they are even a foot tall? The bushier the better if you could just wait a bit longer to switch. Ive tried this before and only ended up with 10grams of dried/plant.. no bueno. Keep me posted.

SunnyJim · May 3, 2010

roseypanties said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I only see about 3 feet for them to vertically grow.. I know you stated you Low Stress Trained, but are you going to flower them before they are even a foot tall? The bushier the better if you could just wait a bit longer to switch. Ive tried this before and only ended up with 10grams of dried/plant.. no bueno. Keep me posted.

That's really interesting, Rosey. And yes, you are absolutely correct - only about 3 feet vertical height up to the bulbs.

I haven't stopped thinking about what would happen if I flowered too soon (a really low yield, probably). The only thing I'm worried about is how big and bushy they might get if I wait too long before flowering. I'll keep posting pics every few days, and hopefully you (or someone) will let me know when I should flip them.

How much more time do you think I should veg them? Another 10 days to 2 weeks?

fishing420stoner · May 3, 2010

ask riddleme, he would give you some good info, can find him on my thread

azoo · May 3, 2010

if there growing then temps are fine in my book

Jer La Mota · May 3, 2010

Very cool stealthy setup !

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