2 Pounds Per Light

vfwvn

vfwvn

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my method is with an air cooled 1000wtr. 5x5 room 9 three gallon soil pots and grow with female seeds, I suppose if I could pic one or two super stars in the group and use them as an average, the yield numbers go way up... So my advice is pic wisely...
 
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henery

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I was not just talking about vegging the type of strain also has a huge factor in the time!

eg indica pure ready in 6 to 8 weeks where as a equilateral sativa can be like 16+ weeks so right there in the amount of time growing indoor a indica will out produce a sativa just based on the time factor!
 
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pahudson

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Bob Smith said:
OZUT, you bring up some decent points regarding one's personal utility in growing; I a believer that we should all try to stay under 100 plants as often as possible no matter our legality (my last run of 142 in a 4x4 tray was simply a test to see how dense I could grow a SOG, nothing that I would do on an ongoing basis).

However, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the OP needs to "simplify" to get what he's after - based on his posts and his setup, he seems to have an "okay" understanding of growing and is not a pure noob, IMO - he's looking for improvements to get him past a certain hurdle, not to simplify even more and understand how a plant ticks (again, just my take on things).

Couldn't agree more on the quality vs. quantity debate, and I touched on this in another thread - 3 600s would be "plenty" of light for most people, but I try to grow the dankest bud I can, which is more light - there's always going to be a tradeoff between quality and efficiency - technically 3 600s would be more efficient, but I'm not sure they'd give me the quality I desired, so I went with 4.

Regarding soil vs. hydro, it's my firm belief that a well setup hydro system is exponentially less work - I can leave my plants for 10 days at a time and return home to find them doing their thing - you can't do that in soil unless you've got MASSIVELY oversized pots, which are inefficient in their own right.

Agreed that trying to take everyone's advice is certainly a losing matter, but I don't think having options to contemplate and research is ever really a bad thing - the OP can see what sounds good for him and then do some more research/testing to see how it fits his setup.

Regarding the CO2, wasn't recommending that to keep his room at 1500PPMs constantly (which is certainly complicated and requires a fairly large outlay for the intial equipment and setup), was more of a quick fix for his ventilation issues to make sure the plants always have at least 300PPMs available to them when lights are on.
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Amen, thank you! This is exactly what I am trying to say. I have been growing for quite some time. I have battled temperature issues, humidity issues, mites, thrips, nutrient lockouts blah blah blah. I am not a complete newb grower. I have also tried a simple 10-30-20 fertilizer along with cal/mag, silica, sm-90, and a b vitamin supplement v.s. sensi a and b with big bud overdrive. I am not going to post how many plants at one time for obvious reasons but its plenty. Simplifying is not what I'm after. I think I have everything fairly dialed aside from 2 things. #1 Strain, #2 co2. I started the thread because I am trying to get a feel for which of the issues it most likely is. I went to the seed bank and got big bud. I just germinated them (the sprouts popped today) and planted them. In about 6 weeks I should be able to get some clones I would think. If that does not solve the problem, then it has to be co2 and it is more important than I thought. A quick checklist:

Temperature
Humidity
co2
Water, temperature, dissolved solids
Strain
Pot Size
Light Wattage
Veg Time
# of plants per light

What else is there? I keep dealing with issues but yield stays the same. I feel like Bob Smith understands me the best, although Dively and I think Jeff (something??) were helpful as well.
 
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pahudson

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Bob Smith said:
"Bro, thanks for pointing out that vegging needs to be considered as well when factoring in harvest weights; we're all very thankful, as it hasn't been discussed numerous times in this thread (i.e. SOG vs. SCROG and others)."
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Thank you Bob for answering for me. I am talking purely about flower time, as most of us are. I can veg for however long it takes, I have a separate room for that. Usually its anywhere from 4-8 weeks depending.
 
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henery

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You have to just keep it simple you are over thinking things it is a plant what do they need 3 things
LIGHT
AIR
WATER

The plant will only grow as fast as the weakest link!

If you have lots of light and good food for the plant what is left?
Air so the answer you are looking for is co2!
Once you bring co2 to optimum levels you will find a new weak link most likely food!
 
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Bob Smith

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henery said:
You have to just keep it simple you are over thinking things it is a plant what do they need 3 things
LIGHT
AIR
WATER

The plant will only grow as fast as the weakest link!

If you have lots of light and good food for the plant what is left?
Air so the answer you are looking for is co2!
Once you bring co2 to optimum levels you will find a new weak link most likely food!
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Lol.........there's four limiting factors bro, not three.

You forgot nutrients.
 
OZUT

OZUT

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Big Bud will give you the weight you're looking for, but don't expect too much from the smoke. If you're not worried about the smoke and want to get the most bang out of your grow, don't expect to get the same amount that you would for other quality strains...

When I mentioned keeping it simple, I wasn't implying you're a brand new grower with 1 or 2 grows under you. What I meant is don't really over think everything. If you have everything dialed in, then there isn't a need for too much confusion. Play with the number of plants and see what works for you and your set up. But one thing to consider is your hoods. I forgot if you mentioned how you veg and if you supercrop, top or any of that stuff. I just don't feel like going through all these posts to find it, but you can't expect much if you're not training your plants.
 
dudeoflife

dudeoflife

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If you have the right room conditions, such as adequate lighting and ventilation, the right genetics, and these nutes I'm selling, then, yes, you can get 2 lbs per 1k watt.

Another good benchmark is yielding 1 1/4 lbs per 600 watts.

Nutrients, genetics, and light.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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dudeoflife said:
If you have the right room conditions, such as adequate lighting and ventilation, the right genetics, and these nutes I'm selling, then, yes, you can get 2 lbs per 1k watt.

Another good benchmark is yielding 1 1/4 lbs per 600 watts.

Nutrients, genetics, and light.
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There's a shyster born every moment.
 
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henery

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lol thats funny Uncle ben!

As for Bob what goes in the water lol!

If you simplify it you can see witch is the weakest factor and work on that till you have a new weak link and so on and so on!
 
mr.smileyface

mr.smileyface

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That 2 pounds a light is what they average per light. If there is 20 lights in one room, you get more overlapping light. It all adds up. Everything has to be perfect enviorment wise and you need a solid feeding program.
People say soilbeds to get those numbers.. Soilbeds are easyer to maintain than 1 gallon pots. SOG is 4 per sq foot. Four 1 gallons fit a sqaure foot. Soilbeds are easyer to maintain. You can do 4 per sq foot. 1000watts covers 4x4 well. You can do 64 plants in a 4x4. Its alot easyer to plant in a bed than do the pots. With the 1 gallons you would have to water every day/second day. The beds is more like once or twice a week and its alot easyer to water. Sog is how most growers acheive those numbers. But dont kid yourself, you could throw 64 plants under one light, But it your setup isnt there to back it up you wont be getting much.
Its mostly about overlapping light and utilizing co2 with temps and humidity in a sealed room that is.
Most people are doing 50 a light with a 1 week veg time. When your doing sog make sure you dont exceed your space. Thats is why beds are better for sog.
It doesnt matter how many plants.. it matters how much space those plants take up. Sog is more efficent because they fill that space with bud in a shorter time.
Your only getting a pound a light because your not doing a sealed room/co2. Most growers have sealed rooms nowa days. you might want to look into that.
 
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Bob Smith

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If you really think that medium is the fifth limiting factor...........well, I guess that is what is.

Lol, good luck to you - you seem quite knowledgeable.
 
mr.smileyface

mr.smileyface

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Bob Smith said:
If you really think that medium is the fifth limiting factor...........well, I guess that is what is.

Lol, good luck to you - you seem quite knowledgeable.
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Its all about the roots. But i thought you should know that? Just cause we have good mediums on hand doesnt mean its not a limiting factor. Your basicly questioning soil vs hydro. You may think you know alot from reading. I think i know more from experiance.
 
EagleEyeHamThrust

EagleEyeHamThrust

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I've been getting .5 per watt during my first grows (burnt as shit thanks to over nutes and the hottest summer evar), so I assume it's quite possible. 2 pounds for 900 watts (6-150W HPS cabinet grow) is my eventual goal.
 
Highlanders cave

Highlanders cave

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This is just getting too too funny. I had some good laughs early on and even chimed in a couple times and also unsubscribed but just like not being able to look away from an accident I had to check back in. After all the sincere responses, after the two partial jackers and most importantly and after my wasted time, this joker is going to grow big bud?!? That's got to be the icing on the cake lol. Big Bud!?!!! Ha ha I swear this guy is a troll and rolling around on the floor creaming his jeans right about now. Good one hud.
 
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