20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

collective gardener

collective gardener

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So, I meet this guy, JC, who has some meds to unload and can't seem to do it. He tells me that all of the dispensaries are a-holes, and he hates even going down there. He then tells us that "all he wants" is $2,500/lb. Since he's a local grower, who came referred, I agree to look at his weed. JC has 2 strains: LA Confidential and Super Skunk. We meet at a Kinkos (where I sign up all new members to the collective), and do the paperwork. He assures me that the samples are middle of the road examples of what the lbs look like. They smell quite good. As a matter of fact, they smell REALLY good. I'm thinking, wow, those dispensaries are getting pretty picky. Then I pulled out a bud of Super Skunk. Well, it was about 3 weeks pre-mature. No shit. The LA Confidential was about 2 weeks premature. I asked how long he flowered and he said 45 days. Ouch.

Here's a guy who did a great job on the grow, the trim, and the cure. He just blew one thing. I guess a friend came over and said they looked done, so he harvested. I really think that if he went the extra time, the stuff could have been pretty nice. Anyways, Helper D being the good guy he is, is helping JC to get something for his efforts. Helper D smoked some and said it was very nice. I actually prefer the high of early pot, as well.

This story has a happy ending. JC is a nice guy. He has a large piece of property in a rural part of town. The yard is very private. I proposed building a climate controlled greenhouse in his backyard. Since he is now a member of the collective, it would be easy legally. He agreed. Soon we will be posting pics of the design and construction of a fully climate controlled greenhouse. It wille 2 units. One will have a blackout feature to shorten the days, and both will have HPS supplemental lighting. I ask the group to send any and all pictures, ideas, and drawings of greenhouses like these. Thank You
 
SCCA

SCCA

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Looking good gardener, those stems are huge!:D glad to hear you have new opportunities sprouting up. i wanted to ask you about a very similar situation. a few friends want to form a collective, but it would have gardens in a couple different locations. basically their plan is to have one veg room at one site and two flower rooms at an other. how does this affect their plant limits? are they limited to 99 all together or can each site have 99? not that they are going to grow that many.

i dont have any formal education, but i do have a bit of practical knowledge about greenhouses. I would be happy to help you with a design if you could give me info on the location. how big a greenhouse do you want? containers or in the ground? sun exposure? budget? how technical do you want to get?
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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ENDLSCYCLE said:
Oh shit.....getting big are we???? kept it up man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know, these dispensaries are charging so much that people in need just can't afford their meds. These laws were enabled so that people could collectively grow their meds. All we are doing is facilitating the grow part. If a member has some space to grow in and another couple members have time to help with the grow, a garden is formed. To me, this kind of operation is much more within the spirit of the law than a storefront operation.
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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SCCA said:
Looking good gardener, those stems are huge!:D glad to hear you have new opportunities sprouting up. i wanted to ask you about a very similar situation. a few friends want to form a collective, but it would have gardens in a couple different locations. basically their plan is to have one veg room at one site and two flower rooms at an other. how does this affect their plant limits? are they limited to 99 all together or can each site have 99? not that they are going to grow that many.

i dont have any formal education, but i do have a bit of practical knowledge about greenhouses. I would be happy to help you with a design if you could give me info on the location. how big a greenhouse do you want? containers or in the ground? sun exposure? budget? how technical do you want to get?
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In answer to your question, a collective can only grow the aggregate of plant numbers from everyone's recs. If the mebers can grow 50 plants total, you could grow 20 at one location and 30 at another. Got it?

I'd like to see how people are designing a blackout feature for a greenhouse. I've built some climate controlled houses before, but never with a blackout feature.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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collective gardener said:
In answer to your question, a collective can only grow the aggregate of plant numbers from everyone's recs. If the mebers can grow 50 plants total, you could grow 20 at one location and 30 at another. Got it?

I'd like to see how people are designing a blackout feature for a greenhouse. I've built some climate controlled houses before, but never with a blackout feature.
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What size greenhouse are you talking about here? LxWxH? Straight walls with sloped roof? Hoop style? It makes a big difference.
 
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TheLastWood

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What's up CG? Well about my herers I'm so stocked! I got a truly primo pheno that just amazes me. The sad thing is I had to cut some clones and flower her because in 3 mos she's 3 foot tall and will be massive soon. That's why I'm gonna go with a lst scrog combo. I had to take some clones to keep this one tho I can tell she's special. She's a foot taller than the ones in that are 5 weeks in flower and has been about that much taller the whole grow. Just beautiful node spacing and fill for a dominant sativa. She's less than a week in flower.

As for your greenhouse venture. I know that I would go with a hoop house, because of ease of building and blacking out. Most likely the cheapest way and I have sen great results. I suggest you look in subcools old school organics and read "into the mist" its truly inspiring and its a hoop house with trees. Literally. Also what I would do for the veg eoom you probably only need supplemental lighting for extending your winter days and I would run those incandescant rope lights down the rows of plants. Granted you won't get much growth if any, but it will extend your daytime for a fraction of the cost of running mh, and it would only be for a few hours a day so you really wouldn't lose much veg growth. Honestly you could go with any lighting to extend your daylight. That being said I'm an electrician (we use the rope lights I mentioned for temp lighting before we have power on a jobsite) and I come across various light fixtures all the time. I'm currently sitting on 14 4' 3 lamp t8 flourescants from an office renovation that they were going to throw away. I don't know if you would rather use halides to extend your daytimes so you get that extra few hours of growth but it seems like if your gonna be growing trees it would be cheaper to use supplemental lighting only to keep them from flowering rather than to get 2 extra hrs growth considering you will only be using them in the winter. Depending on what u wanna do, I would gladly give u my 14 4' 3 lamp t8s as they could cover possibly your whole veg room. I can upload a pic if you like as well. Just throwing it out there. I took them cuz they were gonna be thrown out, are actually pretty bright and am gonna use a couple for side lighting in my room. They are still in great shape also,

Please don't take my post as if I'm stating the obvious, I'm just tryin to help and know u are very knowledgable and already knew everything I jyst said lol.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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collective gardener said:
Yes...2g/watt. You can do it with enough practice getting the canopy right. Can you get an HPS conversion bulb for flowering? I knew a guy years ago that consistantly got 1.5 lbs from a 400hps in a little box like yours. The nice thing about that little box is that you can spend the time figuring out the absolute best way to get the highest yield. My 1.5lb friend grew in that little box for over 10 years. He got 1lb for years, until he switched strains and got an extra 1/2lb. I don't remeber the strain, but it was killer cause I smoked a ton of it!
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Coming from someone like you it gives me high hopes ;)

As for the bulb, yes I have a digital ballast, with BOTH Hortilux Blue MH, as well as a Hortilux SUPER HPS ;) I'm trying to do it right you know?

My little box is a tent, 2ftx2ftx5.3ft

I yielded like 3 ozs off a 250w CFL system.. These HID's get mad penetration though! and has been growing right from the start, unlike my CFL grow... So we will see what THIS setup can do, and what I can do :)


Thanks collective ;) keep up those sick branches
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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TheLastWood said:
What's up CG? Well about my herers I'm so stocked! I got a truly primo pheno that just amazes me. The sad thing is I had to cut some clones and flower her because in 3 mos she's 3 foot tall and will be massive soon. That's why I'm gonna go with a lst scrog combo. I had to take some clones to keep this one tho I can tell she's special. She's a foot taller than the ones in that are 5 weeks in flower and has been about that much taller the whole grow. Just beautiful node spacing and fill for a dominant sativa. She's less than a week in flower.

As for your greenhouse venture. I know that I would go with a hoop house, because of ease of building and blacking out. Most likely the cheapest way and I have sen great results. I suggest you look in subcools old school organics and read "into the mist" its truly inspiring and its a hoop house with trees. Literally. Also what I would do for the veg eoom you probably only need supplemental lighting for extending your winter days and I would run those incandescant rope lights down the rows of plants. Granted you won't get much growth if any, but it will extend your daytime for a fraction of the cost of running mh, and it would only be for a few hours a day so you really wouldn't lose much veg growth. Honestly you could go with any lighting to extend your daylight. That being said I'm an electrician (we use the rope lights I mentioned for temp lighting before we have power on a jobsite) and I come across various light fixtures all the time. I'm currently sitting on 14 4' 3 lamp t8 flourescants from an office renovation that they were going to throw away. I don't know if you would rather use halides to extend your daytimes so you get that extra few hours of growth but it seems like if your gonna be growing trees it would be cheaper to use supplemental lighting only to keep them from flowering rather than to get 2 extra hrs growth considering you will only be using them in the winter. Depending on what u wanna do, I would gladly give u my 14 4' 3 lamp t8s as they could cover possibly your whole veg room. I can upload a pic if you like as well. Just throwing it out there. I took them cuz they were gonna be thrown out, are actually pretty bright and am gonna use a couple for side lighting in my room. They are still in great shape also,

Please don't take my post as if I'm stating the obvious, I'm just tryin to help and know u are very knowledgable and already knew everything I jyst said lol.
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Good news on the Jacks. Sounds like you got a real winner there.

I also like a hoop green house roof. I prefer framed walls to make mounting HVAC gear easier. As far as lighting I'll have 2 needs. 1, to inhibit the dark and keep plants blooming, and 2, supplemental HPS lighting for those foggy days. Thanks for your kind offer, but I believe we'll be in good shape with getting the lights. I'm pretty savy on most of the construction. My main interest is methods by which to darken the flower room without creating an oven. I thought of some tight wires being pulled length wise, and having the blackout covering attached to steel rings that slide on the wires. This could make it easy for 1 person to just pull the cover over the whole length. But then there's the ends. Hmmmm? Ideas?
 
yowzza

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Hey CG - I just finally caught back up on the thread and I just gotta say things are lookin great!
Thanks for posting, lots of good info here :)
 
Luger187

Luger187

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collective gardener said:
Good news on the Jacks. Sounds like you got a real winner there.

I also like a hoop green house roof. I prefer framed walls to make mounting HVAC gear easier. As far as lighting I'll have 2 needs. 1, to inhibit the dark and keep plants blooming, and 2, supplemental HPS lighting for those foggy days. Thanks for your kind offer, but I believe we'll be in good shape with getting the lights. I'm pretty savy on most of the construction. My main interest is methods by which to darken the flower room without creating an oven. I thought of some tight wires being pulled length wise, and having the blackout covering attached to steel rings that slide on the wires. This could make it easy for 1 person to just pull the cover over the whole length. But then there's the ends. Hmmmm? Ideas?
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that sounds like a good idea. is it windy in that area? what if the wind catches that big blackout tarp? maybe on all 4 corners, u should have something to lock them in place. then just unhook it when u want to take the blackout off
 
watchm3spec

watchm3spec

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Wow this grow has truly been inspiring keep those updates coming man!
My friend grows super skunk, ak-47 and bubblegum in a warehouse grow op (half organic soil and half coco but moving to all coco now), he trashed the bubblegum mother though but both his super skunk and ak-47 plants are amazing. Super skunk smells so dank you just brush against the plants and the stench gets released :)

These strains are both very potent and easy to grow with quite different effects.. Now hes looking for some new strains to add in (hes only been doing this grow for around 6 months so far) but I can recommend the super skunk its really AAA+ smoke!
 
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TheLastWood

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Here's some pics of greenhouses n some ideas on how to supplement and blackout

Here's one of supplemental light to extend daytime


Here's one with slide out tarps built over the plants instead of the whole greenhouse
Sorry its sideways my phones my only camera and computer


Here's a few with tarps over the whole greenhouse


Can't see the tarp in this one but same idea not hoop house tho



I think your idea about running the tarp length wise is easiest and best, here a pic of that where u can't see the tarp tho


All from my favorite book by jorge cervantes
 
ENDLSCYCLE

ENDLSCYCLE

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collective gardener said:
You know, these dispensaries are charging so much that people in need just can't afford their meds. These laws were enabled so that people could collectively grow their meds. All we are doing is facilitating the grow part. If a member has some space to grow in and another couple members have time to help with the grow, a garden is formed. To me, this kind of operation is much more within the spirit of the law than a storefront operation.
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Who drops the cash for the cost....you....or is it a pooled together thing??......like you have 10 members and something cost $1000....everyone shell out $100?????
 
Luger187

Luger187

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ENDLSCYCLE said:
Who drops the cash for the cost....you....or is it a pooled together thing??......like you have 10 members and something cost $1000....everyone shell out $100?????
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thats how i would do it. but i believe CG has a friend that invested 60k into this grow. then the other patients slowly pay him back when they "buy" the product from them. technically the money is just to cover costs, so as time goes on, the prices get lower

sorry if im thinking of another thread, but i do think it was this one
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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Luger187 said:
that sounds like a good idea. is it windy in that area? what if the wind catches that big blackout tarp? maybe on all 4 corners, u should have something to lock them in place. then just unhook it when u want to take the blackout off
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Yeah, the wind could really cause a problem, eh? It's gotta be easy for one person, yet strong as hell. Maybe the blackout settup inside the greenhouse?
 
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