20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

asublimeutopia

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Most surely my friend, I appreciate the generous offer thank you. Thanks for the kind wishes man I should be back within a month, THANK GOD!!! lol i miss my wife and a good shower. I hope to finish up college in a medi state to lessen the stress of my paranoid wife around plants, shes a die hard stoner but over analyzes most everything including legal repercussions of growing in non mmj states. (its ironic considering how enthusiastic she was of me and my friend havin plants all over our apartment when we met lol). Its good to keep me in check but frustrating lol I blame the laws not her...I would like to have 4-6 different strains in a rotating perpetual crop harvesting a plant every two weeks or so...so I would probably only have 12-15 plants total depending on what state we're in and if we can both get medi cards. If we have room and rent a house I will probably frame up a small veg and bloom room in the basement otherwise I might get stuck using a tent in an extra bedroom...either way probably a 600 or 1000 watt hps, depending on plant numbers, for blooming. I popped my green cherry a few years ago with a tent, some awesome strawberry cough clones (my buddy still has), and a two bedroom apartment with my best friend before i joined the military. Ironically my wife was the person who leased us the apartment...thats where we met. She still makes fun of me for lookin at the apartment in a Bob Marley shirt with eyes half open. I walked into the back laundry room that had no windows, a drain, and outlets. I just went yeah...this should work lol. I was young and not paranoid enough but shes my favorite stoner in the world and we became friends smoking and chilling, shit took off and I haven't looked back. Sorry I ramble, I really enjoy your op and how you share your years of experience with everyone. I love RIU man I can safely still observe and learn about my favorite hobby/passion without fear of judgement by my work peers. They all know I'm a stoner at heart...I can't hide it lol. All those claims of your short term memory returning are either bunk or my memory just naturally sucks...either way I claim to have a THC drip in my brainstem that I stocked up so much when I smoked that it slowly releases green-ness keeps me sane in the midst of the uniformed life. Man I'm glad I shook up my life and grew up but I'll tell you what, sometimes I just need to face a bong o' DANK!!! Peace man, keep it up make us proud.
 
collective gardener

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TheLastWood said:
If u don't wanna answer its cool gardener, but for informational purposes, how much $ do various positions pay? Like ur full time helper (ex helper d's job) or just a trimmer? Most of your trimmings done by collective members I'm sure.

Just wondering if you could live off being just a 20k watt op helper.

For me, ird be just like anything, the experience gained being the most valuable thing

I framed houses for 5 years then decided I missed being a laborer so much I switched to electircal (actually it was thr rconomy I hate bein a laborer) 2 years ago, I'm already running guys at my job. Eye lurn fast
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I paid Helper D $3,000/month salary. He had to be at the grow 7 days/week. In 6 months I covered him about 5 times. There was alot more work in the beginning. Today, a helper would only need to put in about 3 hrs/day + trimming time.

I pay trimmers $15 - $20 per hour depending on how fast they are. I have a couple people that trim for buds. I like them. Trimming is my single biggest expense. It ends up costing around $300/pound. My wife does the quality control on the trim and she's very picky. All the buds go by her before they go into the drying shack. She can spot any little blemish and sends it back. Time/$$$ spent trimming is well worth it. I've had several compliments on our trim. Bag appeal is such a big deal these days that good trimming isn't good enough. It really has to be great trimming. There are strains, however, that are ultra easy to trim. I grew some Vortex for head stash. That shit took about 3 swipes with the shears and it was done.
 
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Just pulled down 2 cataract kush (la conf. X og kush) and its like that. I dig in and get the few fan leaves deep as ic an but the buds are so swollen and tight against each other it would run the buds to get most of em.

Fastest trim ever.

3k a month is awesome. I know its moree expensive to live in cali but that's sitll good.
 
collective gardener

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Hiigh said:
Sound's like you've got everything down to a t, how often are you harvesting?
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Right now it's all over the place. We're still recovering from the mites and going to small plants. I'm slowly working the crop schedule to a 20 day program. Since the bloom room basically holds 3 - 8x8 trays, I figured on harvesting one tray every 20 days.

I'll run this perpetual for a while longer. I still have a few mites, and can't get every single one running a perpetual. If I can't get them some way, I may just have to move to a batch system that will allow us to clean 100% between harvests.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Wow dude, I'm still so sorry Helper D did you wrong. 3k a month is a very generous wage for any garden attendant of any sort. A whole lot better than what I got paid at a very similar operation to yours, but they weren't nearly as clean. Some days I would work from 9am to 9pm cleaning the entire operation of everything the other shitty helpers left behind. It was like cleaning up after your kids, you clean, you walk away, and the toys they were just playing with are all over the floor again. These kids were dirty, my boss was paying for them to grow out a house and kicked them out after he told them to clean up 3 times and they didn't. That house was disgusting, one of those fuckers were so dirty he brought in this strange strain of ringworm once and I was out of work for a month, while he kept it a secret and gave it to our sick patients. Fucking dirty mother fucker. That house is one of the reasons I agree with you that all grow rooms require pictures upon making a deal with a dispensary. I would be proud to show mine, pristine and white, me and your wife have the same fondness for bleach as well.

And we weren't paid shit for trimming, we weren't even offered that, just hash or buds. I had so much bud though I was vending it to them, because they only had 3 strains that could compete with me. They had a lot of different strains in that warehouse too. Too many varieties to do a good job on them all. But I do a real good job on trimming, and some of the other guys did a real shitty job but got all the same benefits as the rest of us...

Helper D didn't know how good he had it man, you and your wife are clearly good people with generous hearts. I wish I could do my part in supporting you guys in what you do. If you ever need to get rid of meds (I know you always are trying to get free meds to sick people) I suggest ABC in Huntington Beach/Westminster area (forget exactly where) they are a collective ran (not operated) by the deaf. The owner seems like a real genuine person. They could use a little bit of edge, and free pre98 for the terminally ill would help them maintain that compassionate value they uphold. If you'd like I can have a sit with them sometime this week and talk about it.

I can be pretty picky as a vendor, and look only for legitimate store fronts to work with. Sometimes delivery services too. Delivery Services are the most inclined to give away free medicine to the ill I have found out. After working in a warehouse operation which I suspected to be shady after I left, I am only looking for good people to work with. That warehouse owner still owes me almost a qp of hash for 5 lbs of trim I gave him, we were going to split the end product, but now I want the whole hp after being ripped off. He also owes me 300 bucks. He had the nerve to ask one of my old co workers and before that grow partner if he wanted to run the new valley operation, he asked him after he burned all of us btw. Haha, my friend told him exactly what me or you would, that he's going to get his ass beat next time he is seen.

I know you wouldn't, I know you are really good about keeping your head down... but arggghhhh. It isn't even the qp of hash or the 300 bucks, I could piss 300 bucks and a qp of hash is almost free for me in my book, it is just the fact that I gave this guy exclusive seeds and clones that don't exist anymore, worked my ass off, and even lived on my buddies dirty ass cheesy carpet for a few weeks before I got a bed out there so I could help him out, and he burns me in the end. I was even going to set up some more operations with this guy, I'm glad I didn't. But I live in paradise, and I moved out to the dirtiest, most dangerous part of the desert to work with him. I was actually going to be put in charge of the warehouse before I left, but then I found out that he was scared of another raid... fucking fucker.
 
collective gardener

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Jozikins said:
Wow dude, I'm still so sorry Helper D did you wrong. 3k a month is a very generous wage for any garden attendant of any sort. A whole lot better than what I got paid at a very similar operation to yours, but they weren't nearly as clean. Some days I would work from 9am to 9pm cleaning the entire operation of everything the other shitty helpers left behind. It was like cleaning up after your kids, you clean, you walk away, and the toys they were just playing with are all over the floor again. These kids were dirty, my boss was paying for them to grow out a house and kicked them out after he told them to clean up 3 times and they didn't. That house was disgusting, one of those fuckers were so dirty he brought in this strange strain of ringworm once and I was out of work for a month, while he kept it a secret and gave it to our sick patients. Fucking dirty mother fucker. That house is one of the reasons I agree with you that all grow rooms require pictures upon making a deal with a dispensary. I would be proud to show mine, pristine and white, me and your wife have the same fondness for bleach as well.

And we weren't paid shit for trimming, we weren't even offered that, just hash or buds. I had so much bud though I was vending it to them, because they only had 3 strains that could compete with me. They had a lot of different strains in that warehouse too. Too many varieties to do a good job on them all. But I do a real good job on trimming, and some of the other guys did a real shitty job but got all the same benefits as the rest of us...

Helper D didn't know how good he had it man, you and your wife are clearly good people with generous hearts. I wish I could do my part in supporting you guys in what you do. If you ever need to get rid of meds (I know you always are trying to get free meds to sick people) I suggest ABC in Huntington Beach/Westminster area (forget exactly where) they are a collective ran (not operated) by the deaf. The owner seems like a real genuine person. They could use a little bit of edge, and free pre98 for the terminally ill would help them maintain that compassionate value they uphold. If you'd like I can have a sit with them sometime this week and talk about it.

I can be pretty picky as a vendor, and look only for legitimate store fronts to work with. Sometimes delivery services too. Delivery Services are the most inclined to give away free medicine to the ill I have found out. After working in a warehouse operation which I suspected to be shady after I left, I am only looking for good people to work with. That warehouse owner still owes me almost a qp of hash for 5 lbs of trim I gave him, we were going to split the end product, but now I want the whole hp after being ripped off. He also owes me 300 bucks. He had the nerve to ask one of my old co workers and before that grow partner if he wanted to run the new valley operation, he asked him after he burned all of us btw. Haha, my friend told him exactly what me or you would, that he's going to get his ass beat next time he is seen.

I know you wouldn't, I know you are really good about keeping your head down... but arggghhhh. It isn't even the qp of hash or the 300 bucks, I could piss 300 bucks and a qp of hash is almost free for me in my book, it is just the fact that I gave this guy exclusive seeds and clones that don't exist anymore, worked my ass off, and even lived on my buddies dirty ass cheesy carpet for a few weeks before I got a bed out there so I could help him out, and he burns me in the end. I was even going to set up some more operations with this guy, I'm glad I didn't. But I live in paradise, and I moved out to the dirtiest, most dangerous part of the desert to work with him. I was actually going to be put in charge of the warehouse before I left, but then I found out that he was scared of another raid... fucking fucker.
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Goddamn! That sounds like a real nightmare op. Ringworm? Holy fuck.

I would be interested in maybe talking with the deaf collective. I just need total assurance that the meds won't just be sold with the rest. I'm not sure how this assurance can be made, but am open to a discussion.

Question...you figure 1/2 pound of bubble hash for every 5 lbs of trim? I'm asking cause I don't know. Any hash I've made has been mainly for fun. However, one of the places I deal with wants bubble hash from the Bubba trim. What's a good vendor price for such? What microm screens are acceptable? Let me know. I have a buttload of dried trim I need to get started on.
 
Joedank

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oh and i run 1000ppm of co2 and biobizz/ ageold organics @ 900 ppm with silica and horticulural epsom salts:joint:
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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collective gardener said:
Goddamn! That sounds like a real nightmare op. Ringworm? Holy fuck.

I would be interested in maybe talking with the deaf collective. I just need total assurance that the meds won't just be sold with the rest. I'm not sure how this assurance can be made, but am open to a discussion.

Question...you figure 1/2 pound of bubble hash for every 5 lbs of trim? I'm asking cause I don't know. Any hash I've made has been mainly for fun. However, one of the places I deal with wants bubble hash from the Bubba trim. What's a good vendor price for such? What microm screens are acceptable? Let me know. I have a buttload of dried trim I need to get started on.
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I usually look forward to a 10% return on my hash. So if I process 10lbs (good god) I should end up with 1lb of hash, 1lb of hash looks really sexy. I don't know too much about vending the hash myself, when I produce hash it's usually for myself. But dispensaries want the good shit, anything between 120-45 micron is acceptable, but what gets you respect is 90-73 micron. I recommend cooking with the 160, 120, and 45 micron hash. This also depends on how many bags you are usingThat is with the bubble method though. I use a 5 bag but I would prefer 8. Some people that are producing mass amounts prefer to use 3 bags. It's all up to you. doublejj made a pretty awesome thread last year, he did a balls-to-the-wall bubble hash set up.

I would assume a fair price for hash is the price of weed on the consumer end. Makes sense to me, people charge a lot for hash but for good reason, hash can be very labor intensive unless you know some neat tricks, it can also take a few tries to get hash just right, a failed or moldy batch of hash is devastating. I will contact the deaf collective for you next time I am out in that area, probably tomorrow if I have my way. I would assume the best way to find out is to keep in contact and drop in for a visit, or have someone else drop in for a visit. A powerful incentive is this generous and priceless opportunity you are giving them, anyone should be able to see the value in this, but you can put it into perspective for them. The better reputation they have, the less trouble they have, the more positive light they shine, the more people will do business. Alternatively, you can make it help them still make donations, and reach out to the disabled community and war vets. I suggest disabled, terminally ill, and vets will get double their donation in medicine, if they donate for a gram, they get another of the bubba, with a half gram minimum and a leniency policy on the terminally ill. This is still very generous, and definitely helping people afford their medicine. Now medicine for a week is medicine for 2 weeks.

But yeah man, the old operation was bullshit, me and my buddy were the only competent growers besides the owner, he was the head farmer but he was never there, and he didn't even know as much as we did, he just had a good customer fertilizer program worked out. Me and my buddy would discuss grow techniques and cool facts with him all the time and he would just say shit "where do you guys learn about stuff like this. If it works dont fix it" and that is true to an extent, but come on, we are eccentric pot farmers, reaching out to new cool shit is in our nature. I can't wait to start my UC project, I am doing either UC or MPB with baverb. Hope everyone can keep up with what I just said, lol.

And the ringworm pissed me off, it almost made me miss the competition where we took home gold. It was some super ring worm that took like 5 different meds to kill. It was so embarrassing! I'm a very clean person and pride myself in the fact that I smell great, lol. I'm glad I don't have to grow with that kind of shit anymore. I love growing at home, but don't feel very secure doing it. I'm thinking of going down beneath the cloud level and renting a place to grow in. Rent is dirt ass cheap around here.

But have you heard anything about the Jedi Kush? Anything good? I have some free seeds and I hear it is a awesome Death Star cross that definitely competes quality wise. But Death Star is some pretty incredible smoke, it's quite the claim, but Team Deathstar worked with Cali Connection on the project, so it should be quite the dankyspanky.

Here is doublejj's hash thread. The pressing with nickles is a little gross to me, but fucking hilarious. 1g nickle bags :D
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/268309-im-not-ucking-around-making.html
 
Wolverine97

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Joedank said:
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oh and i run 1000ppm of co2 and biobizz/ ageold organics @ 900 ppm with silica and horticulural epsom salts:joint:
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You should be able to get much more than $8-10/gram for good quality bubble hash. Around here, wholesale prices are at least $20/gram.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Wolverine97 said:
You should be able to get much more than $8-10/gram for good quality bubble hash. Around here, wholesale prices are at least $20/gram.
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Yeah, but I think he might be talking about wet hash. Because it can take a long time to dry and cure for storage. I'll call up my old grow buddy and ask him what the going rate is for concentrates in socal on the legal side of things. I'll look into kief/hash/wax and give you the averages.
 
rzza

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in michigan dispensaries sell earwax for upwards of 40 a gram. bubble is 20 -30 or more maybe. my question is to joe, how do you get melt without using like a 220 and 110 to filter the garbage?
 
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TheLastWood

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He does usethe work bag

If u know the strain your running you should only need 3 bags. A strains trichome head size is fairly uniform, when I ran my jack herer, only 2 bags caught anything anyways, whether I used all 5 bags or not, you usually get 1 or 2 money bags that collect most of the goods per that strain
 
Joedank

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Not to muddy up your thread CG but I am talking about pounds of hash wholesale 10$ per gram is tops for the girls I dine with . As they get 15-20 tops. I perfer to lock in people for the long haul with good prices and great product. The first bag is the work bag I have three different types depending on head size my Microscope has a .000 mm gauge and I adjust by sight an feel:) 10$ per gram is 4450$ per pound I aint gonna haggle over a dollar or two a gram if it means the dispensary will look elsewhere . I deal with real sick people so value for healing amount is a huge deal.
woveriene i will come to MI if you got 20$ per gram i can youtube you a vid of it fully melting... and the prices in cali and colorado are way diffrent than eleswhere . the outdoor harvest dropps prices alot unless your locked in like me with set prices and solid people.
 
Joedank

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Are you looking to press it? I always dry mine in a Pyrex pan crumble it up as it dries with gloves on of course then once to brown sugar stage I freeze it for 24 hrs then one night to dry covered with a drying rack... Then I gently heat it with a water bath for the disp. That want it pressed I roll it with a rolling pin then voilà ready!
An alternative to that is keif marbled into the hash (I don't do it myself but I have had it done with my trim) biggest yeild/ lowest quality but the whole point of hireing the norcal marbel krew was they buy the hash they make ! They left and gave me money for processing my trim!
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Kitty I would go with Joe because he is clearly consistent with his results. I just kept mine powdery and on a piece of cardboard which is the wrong way to do it. You should use a piece of glass or preferably a drying screen you can use your cleaned work bag as a drying screen as well, I just never thought to do it because I drink when I make bubble hash because it takes so god damned long, LOL! After it is good and dry, and i mean real dry, I wad it up into 1 - 3.6 gram balls and wrap that in wax paper like salt water taffy, I pop all of that in a open jar for about a week+, and then I start to close it up and burp it. There are a bunch of different ways. I have a feeling Joe has the best method because he deals with a lot more than I do!
 
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TheLastWood

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Or do it the simplest way ever, put it on a dinner plate and let it dry. then scrape it with a razor once its dry, press the shavings into a clump/ball with your fingers.

Iwill probly use my bubble bags next harvest. I been doin all oil lately.
 
collective gardener

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So, I checked out the dry ice method on You Tube. I gotta try this. I WAY prefer dry sieve to bubble hash, anyways. What micron screen will produce the best dry sieve? The guy on You Tube was using 220, but that seems pretty coarse...like it would just let through everything.

Commercial J is giving me some great sugar trim he's been saving. That fucker has just been drying it and bagging it for years! When I told him I was going to make some hash, he said, "come by the shop and I'll lay 20 lbs on ya." LMFAO.
 
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