Thanks man, Nothing personal but ya, kinda makes the ones I've seen in veg look like Charlie Brown's Christmas tree huh? I start with Foxfarm Ocean Forest soil, great stuff. Seems to have the perfect drainage too. All the nutes you need for the first 3-4 weeks. And the stuff I would want to put in for that stage. Only give them plain distilled water. I'll post some pics of when they were young. Foxfarm nutes with some extra stuff too. I'm going to be trying some different nutes again though. Stuff I used before. There's way to much to type at one time, I'm not very fast.