2021 Massachusetts Outdoor Growers

Boatguy

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For instance, my eggplants and zucchini killed it this year, while my tomatoes and cucumbers were awful.
My squash, cukes, and tomatoes did terrible this year, but the all the peppers, hot and regulars are still producing.
Got blight on the tomatoes, and the earliest pm ever on the rest.... So much jumping back and forth between high heat and rain is my best guess.
 

p59teitel

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Well the rot has finally hit some of the Tirah - although hasn’t bothered my favorite one. It’s spotty and not turning entire colas into stew, which is good. I’ll be taking one of them down tomorrow - she is quite resinous and sticky already and should make good hash. C’est la vie and frankly to have it become a problem this far into a season when everyone is getting nailed I’d still say it is going pretty well for me. Probably just put a curse on myself lol
 
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PioneerValleyOG

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Lot's of tragic stories on the thread this year, but I'm not sure any of them can top mine. Other than about a pound of premature stuff I was able to salvage, I lost everything to rot this year. I can't really pinpoint any one reason, but the primary reason I believe is neglect. I knew I had rot creeping in back in late August, but life was so busy and I just avoided the problem. By mid september the rot had found it's way to all 8 plants in the greenhouse and pretty much destroyed everything.

But you live and learn, and next year I'll be back at it again. The changes I'll make for next year are as follows:

1) Disinfect the greenhouse... This week I plan to power wash the entire greenhouse with a bleach solution, then again once or twice in the spring before going in the ground. This year I didn't clean ANYTHING from last year in the greenhouse before planting. After harvest last year I just left what remained of the plants standing through the winter. When I removed them in late winter they were all infested with mold and all I did was chop them down and throw them out.... big mistake, I'm sure I had mold spores flying around everywhere all season.

2) Get new fans and clean them often ... I didn't touch or clean my 3 circulation fans at all from last season ... you can see from the picture below the back of the fans were covered in gray moldy spooge which I'm sure just continually blew mold spores throughout the greenhouse all season long

3) Filter all of my intake air ... my greenhouse has a 2'x2' exhaust fan that works great... but the intake end of my greenhouse is backed up to thick, swampy woods.... I wouldn't be surprised if the fresh air coming in has all kinds of mold spores in it... I have an opening between the two windows on the intake end that I planned to just add another window to this year, but never got around to it... I'm glad i didn't though, because next year I'm going to fill that spot with two 24" HEPA filters and close the windows ... all intake air will need to be filtered

4) Use my dehumidifier at night ... in years past I would always close up all the windows and run my dehumidifier through the fall nights when the outside RH is almost always 90+ ... I didn't even bother with that this year, just left the exhaust fan running 24/7, big mistake (i think) ... I already have the Inkbird to control both the fan and dehumidifier and next year I'm going to take the five minutes it takes to set it up correctly ... I'll have the exhaust fan run whenever outside RH is below 75%, but when it goes above 75% (at night) I'll have the Inkbird shut down the fan and kick on the dehumidifier

5) Grow smaller (or less) plants ... there is absolutely no reason in the world that I need 8 plants all ten feet +. I don't sell it, and I end up spending about a month trimming buds that I only ever keep about 10% of. It's stupid and a waste of my time. Sure my friends love it when I drop a pound of weed in their laps, but they'll have to get used to an ounce or two. I may either just wait until mid-june to plant in the ground, or plant in pots next year.

6) Better Genetics ... I'm not going to pretend that it's genetics that did me in this year.... because all eight of the plants (all different strains) were pretty much infested with rot ... it was most certainly environmental and it goes to show that there is no such thing as a strain that is completely resistant to rot ... however, I did have one plant that resisted it best, and it's the only one I was able to harvest anything from ... the strain was Salami Leg x Mendo Montage from Big Pond Genetics ... Big Pond Genetics is out of western Mass and I believe most of his breeding is done outdoors ... I'm now a firm believer that genetics that have been bred through generations outdoors, in a similar terroir, will perform best when grown outdoors in that same region ... My seed collection is as vast as they come with all kinds of big name and hype strains, but I'm done trying to grow them outdoors in New England ... a great strain that's been been bred through generations indoors in "lab-type" conditions is just a roll of the dice outdoors ... I'm now on the hunt for a good strain, bred locally, that I can grow out through the winter indoors and then just run all clones of that next season

I wasn't even going to post my tragic story or final pictures from this years debacle.... but I figured I owed it to you all to share the good with the bad ... so without further adieu, here's the giant dick in the ass that was 2021 ... see you all in 2022

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Good Lord. Never had a meltdown like that, I am humbled.
 

PioneerValleyOG

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With so much rot this year, I can only offer a nugget of hope. MOB & LSD are two strains that are grown successfully in Maine, where rot has always been an issue. I'll be checking it out next year. Anyone had any luck with those?
 

stealthfader508

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With so much rot this year, I can only offer a nugget of hope. MOB & LSD are two strains that are grown successfully in Maine, where rot has always been an issue. I'll be checking it out next year. Anyone had any luck with those?
I've grown both more than once outside ... I picked up some rot on the LSD pre-greenhouse days, but in the greenhouse it did well ... It's a lime green, somewhat airy bud but has a great nose to it

MOB is one of my favorite strains ever indoors, but never had any luck with it outdoors ... last year it was one of the only ones in the greenhouse to pick up any rot, and I have a sneaking suspicion it may have been the root of my mold issues this year (after not cleaning out the greenhouse though) ... my MOB this year rotted completely with the rest of them .... it's an early finisher, and the buds are really dense, which I believe makes it more prone to rot outdoors.
 

crisnpropa

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Lot's of tragic stories on the thread this year, but I'm not sure any of them can top mine. Other than about a pound of premature stuff I was able to salvage, I lost everything to rot this year. I can't really pinpoint any one reason, but the primary reason I believe is neglect. I knew I had rot creeping in back in late August, but life was so busy and I just avoided the problem. By mid september the rot had found it's way to all 8 plants in the greenhouse and pretty much destroyed everything.

But you live and learn, and next year I'll be back at it again. The changes I'll make for next year are as follows:

1) Disinfect the greenhouse... This week I plan to power wash the entire greenhouse with a bleach solution, then again once or twice in the spring before going in the ground. This year I didn't clean ANYTHING from last year in the greenhouse before planting. After harvest last year I just left what remained of the plants standing through the winter. When I removed them in late winter they were all infested with mold and all I did was chop them down and throw them out.... big mistake, I'm sure I had mold spores flying around everywhere all season.

2) Get new fans and clean them often ... I didn't touch or clean my 3 circulation fans at all from last season ... you can see from the picture below the back of the fans were covered in gray moldy spooge which I'm sure just continually blew mold spores throughout the greenhouse all season long

3) Filter all of my intake air ... my greenhouse has a 2'x2' exhaust fan that works great... but the intake end of my greenhouse is backed up to thick, swampy woods.... I wouldn't be surprised if the fresh air coming in has all kinds of mold spores in it... I have an opening between the two windows on the intake end that I planned to just add another window to this year, but never got around to it... I'm glad i didn't though, because next year I'm going to fill that spot with two 24" HEPA filters and close the windows ... all intake air will need to be filtered

4) Use my dehumidifier at night ... in years past I would always close up all the windows and run my dehumidifier through the fall nights when the outside RH is almost always 90+ ... I didn't even bother with that this year, just left the exhaust fan running 24/7, big mistake (i think) ... I already have the Inkbird to control both the fan and dehumidifier and next year I'm going to take the five minutes it takes to set it up correctly ... I'll have the exhaust fan run whenever outside RH is below 75%, but when it goes above 75% (at night) I'll have the Inkbird shut down the fan and kick on the dehumidifier

5) Grow smaller (or less) plants ... there is absolutely no reason in the world that I need 8 plants all ten feet +. I don't sell it, and I end up spending about a month trimming buds that I only ever keep about 10% of. It's stupid and a waste of my time. Sure my friends love it when I drop a pound of weed in their laps, but they'll have to get used to an ounce or two. I may either just wait until mid-june to plant in the ground, or plant in pots next year.

6) Better Genetics ... I'm not going to pretend that it's genetics that did me in this year.... because all eight of the plants (all different strains) were pretty much infested with rot ... it was most certainly environmental and it goes to show that there is no such thing as a strain that is completely resistant to rot ... however, I did have one plant that resisted it best, and it's the only one I was able to harvest anything from ... the strain was Salami Leg x Mendo Montage from Big Pond Genetics ... Big Pond Genetics is out of western Mass and I believe most of his breeding is done outdoors ... I'm now a firm believer that genetics that have been bred through generations outdoors, in a similar terroir, will perform best when grown outdoors in that same region ... My seed collection is as vast as they come with all kinds of big name and hype strains, but I'm done trying to grow them outdoors in New England ... a great strain that's been been bred through generations indoors in "lab-type" conditions is just a roll of the dice outdoors ... I'm now on the hunt for a good strain, bred locally, that I can grow out through the winter indoors and then just run all clones of that next season

I wasn't even going to post my tragic story or final pictures from this years debacle.... but I figured I owed it to you all to share the good with the bad ... so without further adieu, here's the giant dick in the ass that was 2021 ... see you all in 2022

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I think a mesh netting screen was in order for my hoophouse. Seems that the caterpillar frass is the catalyst for my rot problem.

My concern this season was that the mesh netting would restrict airflow and create a more humid environment. But I'm thinking with consistent applications of anti fungal spray, I'd be able to keep any fungal spores in check.

Another thing I'll be doing is root dunks using defguard.

Humidity control is another major issue. I have the plants covered but it's not sealed like a real greenhouse.
 

Kerowacked

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Not at all disappointed with the early cuts, can imagine how much would have been rotted with this heavy dew every morning.
 

bgc2020

Active Member
Yesterday’s rot spots from Wizard Punch and Bruce’s Ballsack tossed on the compost pile. Hoping I can hold off on harvesting until at least next week. 7BBD84CB-7A87-4548-A95A-62221DC61689.jpeg
 

YardG

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Ugh, these mold and rot photos are super-painful, kinda puts my shit outdoor season in perspective (I'm actually in southern VT but we don't have a thread that I've noticed, and climate-wise we have way more in common with nearby areas of Western MA than the northern area of VT, also I'm a Masshole). Last year was awesome here, mild drought conditions and day after day of hot dry conditions through most of the summer made for something of a bumper crop. This year everything has been touched by mold. I've been harvesting here and there for the last 2 weeks, but limited drying space has forced me to leave some plants up that I'd really like to take down (mostly thinking of two good sized Bodhi Soulmates). Still, thankful for what I've been able to salvage.
 

NewEnglandFarmer

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Lot's of tragic stories on the thread this year, but I'm not sure any of them can top mine. Other than about a pound of premature stuff I was able to salvage, I lost everything to rot this year. I can't really pinpoint any one reason, but the primary reason I believe is neglect. I knew I had rot creeping in back in late August, but life was so busy and I just avoided the problem. By mid september the rot had found it's way to all 8 plants in the greenhouse and pretty much destroyed everything.

But you live and learn, and next year I'll be back at it again. The changes I'll make for next year are as follows:

1) Disinfect the greenhouse... This week I plan to power wash the entire greenhouse with a bleach solution, then again once or twice in the spring before going in the ground. This year I didn't clean ANYTHING from last year in the greenhouse before planting. After harvest last year I just left what remained of the plants standing through the winter. When I removed them in late winter they were all infested with mold and all I did was chop them down and throw them out.... big mistake, I'm sure I had mold spores flying around everywhere all season.

2) Get new fans and clean them often ... I didn't touch or clean my 3 circulation fans at all from last season ... you can see from the picture below the back of the fans were covered in gray moldy spooge which I'm sure just continually blew mold spores throughout the greenhouse all season long

3) Filter all of my intake air ... my greenhouse has a 2'x2' exhaust fan that works great... but the intake end of my greenhouse is backed up to thick, swampy woods.... I wouldn't be surprised if the fresh air coming in has all kinds of mold spores in it... I have an opening between the two windows on the intake end that I planned to just add another window to this year, but never got around to it... I'm glad i didn't though, because next year I'm going to fill that spot with two 24" HEPA filters and close the windows ... all intake air will need to be filtered

4) Use my dehumidifier at night ... in years past I would always close up all the windows and run my dehumidifier through the fall nights when the outside RH is almost always 90+ ... I didn't even bother with that this year, just left the exhaust fan running 24/7, big mistake (i think) ... I already have the Inkbird to control both the fan and dehumidifier and next year I'm going to take the five minutes it takes to set it up correctly ... I'll have the exhaust fan run whenever outside RH is below 75%, but when it goes above 75% (at night) I'll have the Inkbird shut down the fan and kick on the dehumidifier

5) Grow smaller (or less) plants ... there is absolutely no reason in the world that I need 8 plants all ten feet +. I don't sell it, and I end up spending about a month trimming buds that I only ever keep about 10% of. It's stupid and a waste of my time. Sure my friends love it when I drop a pound of weed in their laps, but they'll have to get used to an ounce or two. I may either just wait until mid-june to plant in the ground, or plant in pots next year.

6) Better Genetics ... I'm not going to pretend that it's genetics that did me in this year.... because all eight of the plants (all different strains) were pretty much infested with rot ... it was most certainly environmental and it goes to show that there is no such thing as a strain that is completely resistant to rot ... however, I did have one plant that resisted it best, and it's the only one I was able to harvest anything from ... the strain was Salami Leg x Mendo Montage from Big Pond Genetics ... Big Pond Genetics is out of western Mass and I believe most of his breeding is done outdoors ... I'm now a firm believer that genetics that have been bred through generations outdoors, in a similar terroir, will perform best when grown outdoors in that same region ... My seed collection is as vast as they come with all kinds of big name and hype strains, but I'm done trying to grow them outdoors in New England ... a great strain that's been been bred through generations indoors in "lab-type" conditions is just a roll of the dice outdoors ... I'm now on the hunt for a good strain, bred locally, that I can grow out through the winter indoors and then just run all clones of that next season

I wasn't even going to post my tragic story or final pictures from this years debacle.... but I figured I owed it to you all to share the good with the bad ... so without further adieu, here's the giant dick in the ass that was 2021 ... see you all in 2022

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Hey fader, really sorry about the fiasco. Your humility and willingness to learn and stay positive is inspiring. I agree with much of your conclusions. Interesting about your idea that local outdoor-bred strains are the best bet. Last night as I was trimming I was listening to various growers and scientists on YouTube discussing cannabis, and one researcher said that seed from indoor plants does not do as well outdoors as seed from outdoor plants. Makes sense.

I think up here in Maine we had similar conditions but I somehow managed to steer clear of any significant botrytis. Maybe just lucky. One plant filled up a ziplock but otherwise very little.

Down to a handful of plants now, most is drying or curing. Pushing 80 degrees today. Be glad when everything is jarred.
 
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PioneerValleyOG

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I've grown both more than once outside ... I picked up some rot on the LSD pre-greenhouse days, but in the greenhouse it did well ... It's a lime green, somewhat airy bud but has a great nose to it

MOB is one of my favorite strains ever indoors, but never had any luck with it outdoors ... last year it was one of the only ones in the greenhouse to pick up any rot, and I have a sneaking suspicion it may have been the root of my mold issues this year (after not cleaning out the greenhouse though) ... my MOB this year rotted completely with the rest of them .... it's an early finisher, and the buds are really dense, which I believe makes it more prone to rot outdoors.
Now that's what I call guidance!TY!!!
 

PioneerValleyOG

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Ok, this plants sticky as hell, cloudy and amber in the calyx, even some shades of purple in my trics. Saw one little slot of mold on one little branch. Immediately trimmed her up, she's going in for processing. Probably the densest, stickiest I've been lucky enough to create. Now if I can cure this super sticky stuff, any tips?20211013_144332.jpg
 

PioneerValleyOG

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AN ODE TO MOLD
Yes I'll admit,
I dont give a shit,
About a bug or two.
When summer comes,
One cannot be dumb,
For something is preying on you.
It may come on the wind,
That little devil again,
An infinitesimal spore,
But when it finds you mister,
Itll be a junk twister,
Leaving behind only sores.
I'm speaking of ROT!!
It's a war we've all fought!
A filth we try hard to clean.
Mothers God awful sin,
Happens again and again,
Each year wrecking our dreams.
So what do we do?
Is there a solution?
It may be in front of our face,
We make our own ends,
Network with our friends,
And create seeds ideal for our space.
-PVOG
 

Poco56

Well-Known Member
AN ODE TO MOLD
Yes I'll admit,
I dont give a shit,
About a bug or two.
When summer comes,
One cannot be dumb,
For something is preying on you.
It may come on the wind,
That little devil again,
An infinitesimal spore,
But when it finds you mister,
Itll be a junk twister,
Leaving behind only sores.
I'm speaking of ROT!!
It's a war we've all fought!
A filth we try hard to clean.
Mothers God awful sin,
Happens again and again,
Each year wrecking our dreams.
So what do we do?
Is there a solution?
It may be in front of our face,
We make our own ends,
Network with our friends,
And create seeds ideal for our space.
-PVOG
I think I’m duly impressed! Lol :D
 
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