220w CFL 4'x4' floor plan, superior to 400w HPS

1982grower said:

The pics of the hps plants are just that. 450 watt hps. they look good. the t5ho setup grows buds the exact same and i don't even no witch 1 actually won because it was so equal. the t5s waste no light. obviously the reflector is off the t5s so i can get a pic.

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that shows plants vegging under flouros and the 2 flower pics seem to be the same grow am i wrong? where are the pics of the t5 flowering?

That's interesting, nickfury510, those plants under the CFLS look much healthier, IMO. The leaves are much less limp and curled. Almost seems like a night/day difference -it struck me so. I mean more so the left side, the middle section with double-HPS action seem healthier, but still more fatigued(curled/limp) than the right. It could very well be the strain/specific genetics, who knows.

I've noticed the plants closest to my CFLS(26w) grow the LEAST in size. The growth is insanely tight though(just much smaller, like 2x difference). They seem a little heat stressed at times.

Sorry man. the t5 grow is totally separate. i swap out 4 bulbs for 2700k when i flower with the t5s in 4 days. the hps grow is just some mother plants that were like 8 months old so i decided to flower. i grew the same strain that is under the hps right now under both setups at the same time about 3 months ago but didn't have this site then. they are hempstar and did equally well under each. they are totally separate grows though. not a veg room. Hows those strains your growing?

TeaTreeOil said:

That's interesting, nickfury510, those plants under the CFLS look much healthier, IMO. The leaves are much less limp and curled. Almost seems like a night/day difference -it struck me so. I mean more so the left side, the middle section with double-HPS action seem healthier, but still more fatigued(curled/limp) than the right. It could very well be the strain/specific genetics, who knows.

I've noticed the plants closest to my CFLS grow the LEAST in size.

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the leaf curl seemed to be inherent(i think im using that word right) on the bubble gum..the smaller of the bubble gum that had a home under the cfls and did the same thing.....

plants def stay shorter under flouros. i think i may have a world record with mine. those lr2s are between 2 and 4 inches believe it or not. shrubs more like. love them.

Why do people have to be pessimistic about this?

You could simply see it as: so those CFL bulbs grow shit within about a foot of them... So that's 2 feet + bulb width... so if I hang two of those vertically that could cover about 4 vertical feet, 2 foot diameter. I could veg 16 healthy plants to 4 feet with 440w CFL, and throw them under my <insert your favorite lighting system here> to flower.

I'm not saying you have to use it, you should use, or whatever. It's just an idea! Many of the CFL grows I've seen have two major 'fatal' flaws: no reflectors(this alone could account for the yield difference), and less than ideal positioning(solely adjusting plants to the lights instead of hanging/adjusting the lights, and bad fixture design, poor reflectors, etc.).

CFL's give tighter vegetative growth. I've never implied one light(bulb type) is the end-all-be-all of indoor growing. Use what works best for your situation -always.

damn right. the reflectors make a huge dif. i have reflectors but can't take pics with it on. it is homemade but quality polished aluminum that gos in there. and def true. most cfl grows have the lights to far from the plant. with my fan on moving the leaves gently i often let the plants grow right into the lights for a day and then move the light up 1/2 inch at time. the out put is so negatively affected by a few inches it could easily ruin a grow journal. the lights should basically be touching the plants. Mine are as dense as ive ever seen plants. i'll take a side pic 1 sec

im not now or can ever dispute that cfl kick ass for veg....but im still waiting for a low watt solution for deep penetrating flowering of those huge tasty nugs we all love so much......

This is a medium sized plant from my t5 setup. never seen growth like this from mh or hps in so little time. 17 and a half days old right now. from seed starting as soon as soon as i planted. look at the branching. i'm sure theres tons of pics like this but thats a fine specimen. i never got underbranching and node spacing like this from hps or mh. just my experience though.

I saw those nodes and said "holy shit".... Hahaha. Nice.

I don't think you need as much penetration with nodes that tight!

i automatically gain at least 6 inches of peno from the fact that my light sits on top of the plants. this is fact. my setup must blow any hps away for lumens unless the scientists who maade this are wrong.

teatree do you ever sleep? see you at 100% in 3 days

Damn guys thanks for the comments on the nodes. when we were in grade 5 who would have thought we would be on a computer talking about lightbulbs and nodes. lol thanks alot again

and if there is are any grade 5s on here right now, get off !!

Damn... awkward silence moment or what, 1982?

I'm an insomniac.

I don't sleep restfully without my meds.

i don't have meds but bud. my sleep schedule is sleep when tired and repeat. i go out and party and have many true friends but i am basically a hermit. i don't work and live by myself in the upper half of my moms house. i don't need to get robbed. so i watch it grow and it pays me back with respect. I can't work. everyone says that but i hate feeling like i have to get up and do something at a specific time and end up quitting evry job i get. don't care for work. i like to travel

my biography!! lol

1982grower said:

you guys have no side by side comparisons. the hps guys that is. i have both and can say they can yield exactly the same. everyone has seen my setup. flouros can yield the same watt for watt

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iv posted pics the HPS yeilds 340g the CFL 270g for the same amount of power used. to get the same yeild from a 400W hps you would need 625 watts thats 225 watts more power used. both gardens had the same cuttings everything the same exept the light! i have had a close look at you grow you will not be anywere near a gram per watt, well may be if wet. you say 500w thats 1/2kg 18 oz i can tell you now you will get no more than 3oz! from that from that grow im not knocking it m8 bud is bud m8 you need to get something other than lowryder you might get the odd plant give you an oz but most are 1/2 that. iv got 1000s of LR X NYCD seeds make some your self and do a outdoor grow with them well worth it.

i'm expecting about a half ounce per plant on my first all female grow. normally by the 3rd grow i can perfect it and get 1 gram dried. 16 plants 16 ounces. its def going to be tough but i'll figure it out. the first time i need the males so i can't count on it for yield but the second grow i will have full control and will only have females. The reason i say 1 ounce a plant is because i have been researching lowryder for awhile and mine seem to be doing as well as the best i've seen. I've seen many weak lowryder plants so i do know where you are coming from. if they grow inconsistent i will switch to a more stable strain. but you have to admit they look good and many people when growing lowryder in soil got half ounce and their plant at 18 days looked literally half the size of mine at the same time. i am also counting on the fact that hydro yields more and grows faster. it will be hard to get 1 gram per watt but i'll get it by the 3rd grow. we'll see. not sure.

i am thinking an outdoor grow just for yield too. too cold here still but soon def. maybe even 100 seeds outdoors.