24/0 is great but...

shorelineOG

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Take your own advice and stop giving bad advice yourself. Going from 24/0 to 18/6 does not trigger flowering.
A six hour reduction doesn't signal changes to a plant? The same people who argue against me are having plants go into flower under 24/0. Explain how a strain like golden goat or Durban poison can start to flower on diabolic 666 even under 24/7 and I run the same cuts under 18/6 and don't have that problem.
 

lawlrus

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A six hour reduction doesn't signal changes to a plant? The same people who argue against me are having plants go into flower under 24/0. Explain how a strain like golden goat or Durban poison can start to flower on diabolic 666 even under 24/7 and I run the same cuts under 18/6 and don't have that problem.
The burden of proof is on the person who makes the extraordinary claim. I have switched countless plants from 24/0 to 18/6 and occasionally even back to 24/0 with no ill effects. Switching between vegetative light cycles is not an issue in my experience.
 

shorelineOG

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I posted this issue in post #99. I know this isnt the best for my plants ...but i clone my clones, I have no mothers bc I dont have the space in veg to keep 15 mother plants. Ive been cloning a few of my strains like this for 4 yrs and are getting only 2 of them are trying to flower in veg...my golden goat and durban poison. I could possibly try to have a tissue culture done on them and try to see if thatbrings them back to their normal state. But its a crap shoot. Most likely being closer to a fail. Making seeds from this plant or buying new seeds of this strain is the best option to start over. Or you can say...its time to move on to other strains that are just as good. I know each strain takes time to figure out if its going to be a keeper..like a year? My significant other is happy just smoking the goat, just like in your situation. In my situation...Im going to replace the durban poison with Quinn-n-tonic 70/30 sativa. I have had this strain for a year now and its a beaut in every sense. I will be holding onto the golden goat till I can replace it, or have my friend attempt a plant tissue culture on it to see what happens.
edit: also I just picked up Girl scout poison (og kush x durban poison x durban poison)
Why are your Durban and golden goat starting to flower under 24/7. That is possible, but I say that some strains will do that under 18/6 and I get attacked by everyone. It is so easy to reveg a plant with 2-0-0 but I got called names for that suggestion. Light spectrum also influences veg and flowering hormones.
 

shorelineOG

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The burden of proof is on the person who makes the extraordinary claim. I have switched countless plants from 24/0 to 18/6 and occasionally even back to 24/0 with no ill effects. Switching between vegetative light cycles is not an issue in my experience.
That's because you stopped at 18/6 and didn't keep decreasing the light. You can flower a plant by decreasing the light five minutes a day like in nature.My proof is outdoor plants that don't go from 18/6 down to 12/12. I may not be the best at explaining myself and I hope that makes sense. You have a faster onset of flowering, a shorter flowering time and better looking buds indoors because it is a dramatic not a gradual change. The same strain outdoors takes longer to finish, but you yield much more.
 

rkymtnman

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You can flower a plant by decreasing the light five minutes a day like in nature
sure you can. but you have to eventually get down to around 12 hrs dark before they start to flower. going from 24 down to maybe 14, you still wont' get them to flower.
 

lawlrus

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That's because you stopped at 18/6 and didn't keep decreasing the light. You can flower a plant by decreasing the light five minutes a day like in nature.My proof is outdoor plants that don't go from 18/6 down to 12/12. I may not be the best at explaining myself and I hope that makes sense. You have a faster onset of flowering, a shorter flowering time and better looking buds indoors because it is a dramatic not a gradual change. The same strain outdoors takes longer to finish, but you yield much more.
So if you go from 24/0 to a flowering light cycle the plant will flower? No shit -- what point are you trying to make here? What you said originally, and what I responded to, is that switching from 24/0 to 18/6 will cause the plant to begin flowering, which is patently untrue.
 

KryptoBud

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Hey fellow growers,

So I have a DWC DIY hydroponic system.

I originally thought the 24 seven lighting would be awesome. And the fact is it is. If you have the proper equipment unlike me.
However, there are some things that I did not consider.

Firstly, the biggest upset of this whole 24 seven thing reservoir temperature. Without any dark. My reservoir temperature rises every day to top out about 78° By day 3. This is highly inconvenient because I would like to only change my stuff every seven days instead of every three. It weighs nudes and always wate this is highly inconvenient because I would like to only change my stuff every seven days instead of every three. It wastes nutes and water. $$$ goes up.

Secondly my humidity sucks. With my HPS lighting at 400 W and the ballast in the same room, (cannot be helped) my temperature is awesome going from 75 to 85. However the humidity is down at by 25%.

Thirdly, it just seems uncomfortable. I would like to say I'm not projecting my human needs onto the plant. I don't think that I would like to live and live comfortably in an area that was always hot and low humidity.

Finally and least importantly to me, is the light bill by cutting from 24 to 20 I am saving a little bit a change.

There are other inconveniences I'm sure it like fungus algae and all that nastiness. But I have not come across any of those problems. I don't know why but I guess I'm just lucky.

Anyone else have anything to add .

And I know there is equipment out there that can fix all this problem with the lighting, but as I stated I almost have everything in the things I need are super expensive chiller humidifier exhaust s and I know there is equipment out there that can fix all this problem with the lighting, but as I stated I almost have everything in the things I need are super expensive chiller humidifier exhaust for stone system. I have a low-tech system you could say . Lol.
Did you get your questions answered?o_O
 

2ANONYMOUS

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Of course plants can get sick Plant pathogens are a huge focus of agricultural research. Common illnesses would might be familiar with: Dutch Elm Disease, The Irish Potato Famine, canker... the list goes on
as for immune system in plants have it Classes of plant immune responses Basal response: transcription of genes in response to PAMP recognition. Hypersensitive response (HR); apoptosis of cells at the site of infection Systemic acquired immunity: The entire plant becomes resistant to infection Jasmonic acid/ethylene pathway: The entire plant and neighboring plants develop resistance to herbivores. Non-host immunity The basal response This is the response induced by PAMP elicited signaling. The effectors of this response are currently being characterized. Hypersensitive response This is a rapid apoptosis response that kills cells in the area of infection. It can be induced by the interaction of an R gene carrying plant with an Avr carrying microbe. In the lab one can infiltrate bacteria into the whole leaf, causing a massive cell death response but in the field the HR response is likely tiny and limits the growth of microbes to a small area on the leaf. This should stop the growth of biotrophic pathogens that require living tissue in order to survive. Nitric oxide (NO) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) regulate the response. The HR can trigger systemic acquired resistance described below. Stanford Microbiology and Immunology 104/204: Innate Immunology, Lecture 4 The immune system in plants Systemic Acquired resistance (SAR) Challenge a leaf with an infectious agent and distal tissues become resistant. The distal tissues have broad resistance – not just to the original pathogen. Can be induced by cell death; either HR or otherwise. The effects are broad range, acting on bacteria, fungi and viruses. A number of genes are induces by SAR but the mechanism behind the resistance in unknown. Salicylic acid must accumulate to induce the SAR but salicylic acid is not the systemic signal; an unidentified lipid likely serves as the signal. An SAR signal (but not salicylate) travels through the plant and increases the resistance of the plant to further infection. This response has found a use in agriculture in the form of inducers of SAR like Actigard, Messenger and Vacciplant. Jasmonic acid response (JA) This chemical is a volatile plant hormone involved in regulating immunity. JA synthesis is induced upon herbivory (crushing wounds). JA induces the transcription of a number of genes that are anticipated to reduce the digestion of the herbivore. For example, the induction of arginase in tomato plants. This reduces the availability of arginine to the insect gut and reduces growth of the caterpillar. Plant cells can recognize PAMPs The Arabidopsis receptor Fls2 is a flagellin receptor The structure is reminiscent of Toll in that the extracellular domain of the protein contains Leucine Rich Repeats. The intracellular domain contains a serine threonine kinase Signaling is transduced through a MAP kinase cascade and activates transcription factors in the WRKY family. As in animals, there are many PRRs in plants that presumably can recognize microbes by more than one PAMP. Fls2 can be shown to have an immune function because loss of function mutations sensitized the plants to infection. Forced expression of the MAP kinases or WRKY29 will force the activation of the pathway and protect the plant from fungal and bacterial infections This suggests that this PAMP activated pathway is required for fighting fungal as well as bacterial infections. The pathway may have originally been identified as responding to bacteria but its output can affect fungal growth as well
 

rkymtnman

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i guess you got me on that point.

however, cannabis' immune system is not effective against pythium, powdery mildew, mites, etc. it might fix some issues but not all.
 

shorelineOG

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i guess you got me on that point.

however, cannabis' immune system is not effective against pythium, powdery mildew, mites, etc. it might fix some issues but not all.
Earthworm castings make a plant much more resistant to powdery mildew. Too much synthetic nitrogen during flower and you get powdery mildew. Nature and science are absolute and I just make observations.
 

2ANONYMOUS

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i guess you got me on that point.

however, cannabis' immune system is not effective against pythium, powdery mildew, mites, etc. it might fix some issues but not all.
correct thats the problem that has to be caught quickly most of the time when you get into mites or thrips its already took hold of the plant ..as for fungus powdery mildew it could of been all avoided with proper room environment.. so again it all falls on how the grower has his room set @
More n more its good practice to have companion plants that act as a iinsect repellant that can help ward off disease and infestation as well as good cloning from good healthy plants to begin with
 
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