2nd Grow, 3 feminized Slippery Susan seeds in Happy Frog Soil

Hello, This is my 2nd try at a grow. My first grow was earlier this year and although my 3 plants looked like shit half way through flower, I managed a 10.5 oz dry harvest. I was surprised at the weight and the smoke was decent!

Anyway, I am on a new try here with Exotic Genetix Slippery Susan. I saw in some forums that Slippery Susan grows pretty tall and I can attest to that. Right now I'm in week 5 of veg and have topped each plant once. The one on the back left I topped one side too much and only one branch grew out. Also a pic of the calendar, I transplanted them from solos to 1 gals December 2nd.

My questions are: I want to top again to fill out the canopy. Is topping typically done from the top node?

Also some leaves see to be clawing at the bottom. Nitrogen toxicity?

Finally, I was watching some youtube videos and they suggested Cal Mag, especially running LEDs. If I'm using regular tapwater, around 80 ppm is Cal mag necessary if not using RO water?

Thanks for your help everyone. Please give any advice or suggestions you can see for my pictures.

It's 2 days later and time to water. I used 1.5 gal of tap water ph at 6.6, nothing else but a couple drops of ph down to get the water at 6.6 ph.

I topped each plant twice from the top of the canopy.

One question I had is that these tops look like they are growing a little funky, a tad askew....

I took some pics of the nodes I topped at, they don't look symetrical.... anyway here they go:

It's pretty normal for the leaves to grow a bit wonky after a topping due to hormonal changes the stress induces. Nothing to worry about, and the asymmetric nodes just mean that the plant is mature and ready to flower when you want. Looks fine to me on both aspects.

When it comes to topping, if you are worried about height, you can top down a few nodes next time, it doesn't always have to be the top node. For example I let most plants grow out 6 or 7 nodes, and if it looks like it's going to be a tall pheno ill top it back to node 4 or 5 before flower. If it's stout I'll let it go. Usually I try to get topping out the way before pre-flower, but it's not crucial.

Thanks Vincenzio. I'm going and try to veg until the canopy fills out the 4 x 4 so I may top once more.

12/29 was water/feed day
I mixed 2 gallons of water with GH flora series
PH:6.6
PPM:550

Before I watered the plants I had some water in their runoff trays. It had collected over the past few waterings and I decided to check the runoff ppm and ph. The ph was at 7 but the ppms were over 2500! I hadnt fed the plants anything but calmag and myco in the past three weeks and the fox farm happy frog soil is over a month old.

Anyway, I went ahead and watered and today when the lights came on they look pretty good. A little clawing of the leaves and a couple bottom leaves are yellowing but hopefully that's something the nutes will help. I also bumped to lights up from 25% to 50% power, 300w coming out of the wall now. *Tim Taylor grunting noises

I've heard that direct fans on the plants isn't good so I'm pointing it at the wall and hoping that's doing enough. I can see through a window in the grow tent and the leaves aren't rustling much but I'm certain there is air exchange.

I need to water about every 3 days so next watering will be with mycorrhiza and molasses. The plants look a little sad at the bottom, I don't know I'm just gonna keep going.

I would not use mykos or molasses at this stage. Brew a compost tea or get some recharge. Just a suggestion.

Livingblacksoil said:

I would not use mykos or molasses at this stage. Brew a compost tea or get some recharge. Just a suggestion.

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Thanks for your response! I have recharge but I wanted to finish off the rest of the Great White I have before I open something new... Just curious why you wouldn't use mykos or molasses at this stage? I'm at week 6 veg

Mykos is for root development and molasses is for microbiology. I think.

I heard microbes in the soil feed on unsulfured molasses and other sugars

TankHankerous said:

Thanks for your response! I have recharge but I wanted to finish off the rest of the Great White I have before I open something new... Just curious why you wouldn't use mykos or molasses at this stage? I'm at week 6 veg

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Don't use molasses at any stage. Just buy some humic acid. That's all that is useful in molasses.

TankHankerous said:

I heard microbes in the soil feed on unsulfured molasses and other sugars

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Not sugars. Humic acid and there's far better sources than Grandma's Unsulfured Molasses.

If I'm not mistaken the plant provides sugars to trade with microbes for specific items.

hotrodharley said:

Not sugars. Humic acid and there's far better sources than Grandma's Unsulfured Molasses.

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Thanks for clearing that up for me. Would you say grandma's unsulfured molasses is better than nothing if that's all I have at the moment? Or might as well just use great white by itself for now?

Livingblacksoil said:

If I'm not mistaken the plant provides sugars to trade with microbes for specific items.

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Interesting, plant biology is a cool system

TankHankerous said:

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Would you say grandma's unsulfured molasses is better than nothing if that's all I have at the moment? Or might as well just use great white by itself for now?

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Water or Recharge

TankHankerous said:

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Would you say grandma's unsulfured molasses is better than nothing if that's all I have at the moment? Or might as well just use great white by itself for now?

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Yes but the good it does is pretty minimal. I use a fulvic acid/humic acid supplement instead of molasses and the difference is very noticeable.

The Good:

I did a transplant today 2 hours after the light were on from 1 gal to 3 gal pots, they looked a little droopy but I went ahead with it. I figured maybe the roots wanted more space to breathe. Anyway, it was an easy transplant since I watered yesterday and the root mass was well kept together-not dusty at all....

Here's something new- I had a little bit of great white left- just enough to coat the bottoms of the pots for transplant- I used recharge spread around all the root mass of the plant.

The Bad:

I sucked up the runoff out of their respective runoff trays while transplanting and I got some disturbing numbers...

#3 runoff 1750, PH 7.3
#2 runoff 1300 PH 7.6
#1 runoff 1500 PH 7.5

Its 6th week of veg, just transferred to new Ocean Forest Soil instead of Happy Frog. I dont know why the runoff is so high, I always deliver under 7.0 PH..... I wonder if letting the runoff sit in the runoff tray allows the ph and ppm to get higher or lower.... maybe testing runoff once every 2 weeks could be inaccurate. Anyway, thanks for any help. Here are some current pics after transplant....

I didnt water after transplant although they look droopy I dont want to overwater an already very wet root mass. Makes me wonder why are they so limp... anyway I said fuck it an raised the LED watts out the wall to 300 instead of 150. I did it 2 weeks ago and I guess the plants werent ready.

I guess my best bet is to feed 6.0 PH to get the soil PH down... Any suggestions/critiques always welcome. I'm here to learn, thanks!

I did some research and looks like a phosphorous defieciency.... I used 5 ml per gallon of Flora bloom (high phosphorous supplement) a couple of days ago and still very yellow. Any idea when I can expect the leaves to turn back green again?

Or was it PH lockout all along?

I swear they get sideways, flat brimmed monster energy hat wearing 12 year Olds to name strains these days.

Especially with all these chuckers aiming for clout on media platforms these days lol.

This strain, Tina x Grease Monkey or Slippery Susan is sold by the well respected Exotic Genetix.

Read up on it here: https://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Slippery_Susan/Exotic_Genetix/