3 male pheno's to choose from for pollinating.......help & input requested

bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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this is what I found on flying dutchman's skunk #1 hazey from attitude and oh ya they claim indica dom just like sensi as I said it was bred to have more indica traits then 25% nevilles haze has just as much indica but it was bred differently.


Flying Dutchmen Skunk #1 is the strain that changed cannabis cultivation. The original Indica-Sativa hybrid that has astonished weed lovers for more than a quarter-century is now available as a feminised variety! The potency of this branch of the cannabis family tree is so notorious that ‘skunk’ is often used as a term for any powerful ganja. Breeders regard Skunk #1 as the benchmark of uniform, reliable performance and her rock-solid genotype has influenced a hundred modern hybrids. Flying Dutchmen Skunk #1’s energetic performance and bountiful yields demonstrate the true meaning of hybrid vigour. Growth and flowering are mostly-Indica in appearance, though Skunk plants gain more height than pure Indicas when blooming. The extra-dark green of this strain’s foliage comes from her Afghan ancestors. Flowering is very fast between 50-55 dasy and Skunk #1 produces robust stems and branches to support her superior yields. Short internode gaps explode into dense, rounded bud-clusters which merge into huge, heavy colas by harvest time. Skunk #1’s Sativa genes have a subtle effect on flower structure plus a wonderful influence on her effect - a stunningly potent combination of stone and high!
 
Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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hazey grapes said:
that's not what DJ shorts would say. i used to select for compact indica dominance, but now WOULD select for the stretchy slow phenos as, to parapraqse what he said (or was it TGA?), "select for recessive males. that's where all of the fun happens" i could see how always selecting for the fastest male would tend to make strains revert back to their wild state. THAT's what dominany genes will do, go back to the tried and true traits. think about it, all of the great strains out there now have been from selecting "rare phenos". the original landraces didn't have all of the great flavors that today's strains have. you'll not likely find any "pina colada" phenos in the wild, but selecting for recessive traits gives those flavors to "the third dimension". the prized cinnamon girl jack herer pheno is a rarity too. i could see how selecting for dominant males could be part of the reason so many hazes are generic and don't live up to the trippiness from neville's original where i'm sure many got their start. any SHORTcuts you make in growing & breeding lower quality. as far as getting high goes at least, the very best stuff is STILL the stretchy stuff. it's no coincidence that 2 of my top 3 faves are stretchy and take up to 12 weeks.

if you want to read up on what shorts & subcool say about breeding, here, read their stuff. there's some good info in there. now i KNOW that using cervantes' mid 80s suggestion to use halides instead of sodium if you're looking for top QUALITY was spot on as shorts or TGA confirm it and my own experience showed me my C99 & super cali haze gals had more grape flavor, particularly the SCH grown under a halide than their offspring grown under a sodium.

anyways, check these two posts out. i think shorts & subcool both deserve to be taken seriously. i know when an elite breeder says something, i listen.
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48788-tips-breeding-dj-short.html
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https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48785-subcools-breeding-better-cannabis.html

if anyone knows of any suggestions from sannies, mr nice or DNA etc., i'd like to read up on that too. now that i've read both of those threads, i'm going to keep "long tall cindy", my tallest joey weed C99, as my mother of choice if i ever revisit that strain, but i'm liking jack herers better these days.

indica likes to dominate. even at just 25%, it's still fucking skunk #1's buzz up as far as i'm concerned. to me it's more of an indica than a sativa despite what the numbers suggest. i'm all for breeding AWAY from afghani to begin with. i don't have to sweat yields anyways though. i just want the best gear i can get or make myself. tackling malawi gold and then even stretchier and slower IBLs is a future goal to breed with today's state of the art jacks for even hazier buds that produce some weight.

which male you chose ultimately depends on your priorities. really, why not test all three first and decide based on their results? that's the only way to know for certain what each one does. definitely read those 2 threads though... very good info.
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I think by recessive in this case, Sub ment choosing the male to show last. His reasoning is males that show first tend to have "more hemp" genes, and the latter males have more recessive "drug" genes. I happen to have a direct example of this... My buddy crossed a really nice Pakistani hash plant, to a Headband (sour kush) male. The male he used was strong, but the first to show any sexing. The resulting seeds produce really strong HUGE high yielding completely purple buds, but the smoke is pretty chill, and in the long run not a keeper...

And from what I know about the super strong 'elite' strains, most of them seem have a smaller yield, longer flower times and are more sensitive to environment, hence Recessive.

The opposite of wild. Plants in nature dont give a rats ass about THC content, they want to make as many seeds as fast as possible. Hence BIG, FAST, Disease resistance and WEAK.

My thoughts on the matter.
 
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