3 weeks old - Tiny seedling - Continue or Restart?

Kushash

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I grow in coco for this exact reason. I like rapid growth, not turtle speed. As for @Wattzzup, don’t feed the trolls :p
Sounds good.
Quick LED question.
The OP was using two of these $108 CDN lights at 29" from the plant. What distance would you keep these if you were using them in veg?
Led Grow Light 1000W Full Spectrum Sunlight 3500K White and 660nm Red Added Grow Lights for Indoor Plants Hydroponic Veg Bloom Seedling with Thermometer Hygrometer: Amazon.ca: Patio, Lawn & Garden
 

parrajara

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Best of Luck!
Could be that plant is a genetic runt.

If you stick around RIU we can talk watering someday. I've experimented with watering in soil in more ways than most growers.
I've never seen someone keep a plant small and fairly healthy as yours is by improper watering when lighting was sufficient.

I'll move on. Wattzzup gave me a Ha Ha so I probably hurt his feelings. Maybe someone we both would listen to, @bk78 will stop by and set me straight if I'm wrong about my comments about lighting or watering.
Anytime you're free, I have a pretty flexible schedule working from home. I'd love to learn more about watering, specially from someone that has experimented in so many ways. Please let me know how you'd like to proceed with this conversation, I'm much interested.
 

parrajara

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Cannabitch is definitely looking happier, and Marijuana is slowly recovering. I'm hoping to get them back on track after a couple of nice wet/dry cycles.

Lights are sitting at 24" from the plant. Lowering to 23" tomorrow. Hoping to see some faster growth once the roots get healthier again
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Kushash

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Anytime you're free, I have a pretty flexible schedule working from home. I'd love to learn more about watering, specially from someone that has experimented in so many ways. Please let me know how you'd like to proceed with this conversation, I'm much interested.
The best way to start would probably be for you to keep records of each day you water and how much you give them along with recording all feedings and amounts. Hopefully this plant takes off and I'll follow the grow if you document it. If you want to take it to the next level, weigh your plant each day.

Might seem overboard for some to weigh plants but the info is quite useful when learning how dry you can allow a plant to get before a watering is needed.
 

Geedoubya

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New to the forum, but long time lerker. Found a ton of helpful information here, so I thought I would reach out for my specific situation.

My ladies are 3 weeks old and they are tiny for their size... They were doing fine and until they suddenly started to drastically slow down their development. I believe it was due to overwatering, but I also think that perhaps the soil does not have enough perlite to promote oxygen flow to the roots.

My one plant (Marijuana) has been sick for a couple of few days. It was starting to droop 3 days ago, so I watered it at night (only a tiny bit to see how it would react), but I didn't water the other plant to see the differences between them. Next morning MJ looked a bit better and Cannabitch looked more droopy. So I figured, I guess they do need water... So I go ahead and water them properly, and now it's been two days. Cannabitch (which received less water than MJ) is doing pretty good, although still growing very slow. However, MJ still has droopy leaves, and the soil feels dry but I don't want to water again yet since it's only been 2 days, and since Cannabitch (which received less water and is more developed) is still standing up fine. Seems like MJ is drowning in water or from lack of oxygen? Well, they both are since they are growing so slow, but one more than the other?

They both have had the clawing tips for about 3 days as well, and I've seen the leaves from Cannabitch droop and perk up again, but never the tip. The tip has remained like that for days, which according to my research can be nitrogen toxicity, overwatering or lack of oxygen?

Should I try to save these plants? I was considering transplanting them into smaller container (solo cups), and adding a lot more perlite to my medium. Here is some information that perhaps will help you help me.

Strain: Photoperiod Feminized Green Crack Kush (Sativa)
About: I started germination around Nov 19. The plant was looking healthy (aside from a bit of yellowing leaves) up until 5 days ago.

Environment:
  • There are two fans in there, they don't oscillate so I rotate the intensity they hit the plant at, and the angle throughout the days. I try to never make it direct contact, rather wind current bouncing off the tent walls (one fan is standard size and quite powerful)
  • Growing in a 2x4x6 tent using a 150CFM fan, which I calculated and it's enough for my space
  • Using 2 LED lamps (active heating, no heatsink) that are 400 actual Watts (200 each)
  • I have a humidifier which manages to maintain humidity around 50%RH, although I have it set to 60.
  • The temperature ranges between 75-85F on a daily basis with lights on, and I suspect around 75F with lights off (I close the windows to let my condo warm up when lights are off)
Growing Medium & Taking Care:
  • Growing 2 plants in small (maybe 1 gallon or less) square plastic pots with holes in the bottom
  • The pots have a plastic dish drying "mat" underneath to elevate them and provide more circulation
  • I started my grow with about 30% perlite 70% happy frog
  • Watering with spray mist around the perimeter - PH and mL not calculated (oops). However, the water in my house only has 17ppm.
  • Lights 18hrs/Dark 6hrs
I can provide more information if you all require it.

What are your suggestions? Start over or continue nursing these plants?
Start over or continue nursing these plants?
This advice is blunt and nothing like what's been given so far.
Your "oops" on your PH is your biggest issue and until you have that straightened out it won't matter what you do or throw at it (ppm really isn't relevant when growing in soil). Aside from the necrosis starting on your leaves, I'm guessing you have red starting on your leaf stems which will soon start coloring your main stock and branches (which indicates a P deficiency or lock out from an out of whack PH) and it will go downhill from there.
So if this was my grow I would immediately dump the lumber yard your using for soil (your soil is Hot) and put together your own soil (with Absolutely NO lumber, twigs, etc) that way you Know exactly whats in it giving you the ability to react properly if an issue arises.
At your next watering PH your solution going in at 7 and test the run off coming out (ideal is between 6.3 - 6.8) using a PH pen not the idiot strips. If you get your PH stable everything else will fall into place providing you have a healthy enriched soil and since you want to do this organically Build an organic soil Don't purchase a $30 bag of who knows what filled with lumber. Your reuse of soil is an excellent idea and it should get enriched and more stable as the years go by but you do need to rest it (compost it by leaving in some of the root matter and adding some bone meal, guano, but most importantly dolomite lime (PH neutral) every couple of years) and black bag it for a few months in a warm place before each grow. I have been doing this for a dozen or so years with my soil and grow an pound or more (2 plants) just using water and No nutes under a 600W hps ( with nutes, just over a gram per watt) with hardly ever an issue they only seem to arise if I put them on a heavy feed regiment ( I'm not an organic grower but some grows I just use plain water and can't be bothered with the whole feeding process, lazy I guess.
If you want to do organic grows you need to research and put time into developing your soil since you won't be adding ferts your soil has to be as good and stable as you can get it.
The main reason I responded to your thread was because the son of a buddy of mine was in the Exact same position your in now and after lending him 5 gallons of my soil ( never grow in less than 3 gallons) and transplanting it after removing as much of his lumbered soil as possible, his pink lemonade came back with a vengeance in about 3-4 days and is now going strong.
Cheers!
 

parrajara

Member
The best way to start would probably be for you to keep records of each day you water and how much you give them along with recording all feedings and amounts. Hopefully this plant takes off and I'll follow the grow if you document it. If you want to take it to the next level, weigh your plant each day.

Might seem overboard for some to weigh plants but the info is quite useful when learning how dry you can allow a plant to get before a watering is needed.
I started a grow journal spreadsheet, thank you for your help. My scale is pretty handy, so I can do that while they are still in small pots no problem. May become an issue if they make it to the bigger pots haha.

Start over or continue nursing these plants?
This advice is blunt and nothing like what's been given so far.
Your "oops" on your PH is your biggest issue and until you have that straightened out it won't matter what you do or throw at it (ppm really isn't relevant when growing in soil). Aside from the necrosis starting on your leaves, I'm guessing you have red starting on your leaf stems which will soon start coloring your main stock and branches (which indicates a P deficiency or lock out from an out of whack PH) and it will go downhill from there.
So if this was my grow I would immediately dump the lumber yard your using for soil (your soil is Hot) and put together your own soil (with Absolutely NO lumber, twigs, etc) that way you Know exactly whats in it giving you the ability to react properly if an issue arises.
At your next watering PH your solution going in at 7 and test the run off coming out (ideal is between 6.3 - 6.8) using a PH pen not the idiot strips. If you get your PH stable everything else will fall into place providing you have a healthy enriched soil and since you want to do this organically Build an organic soil Don't purchase a $30 bag of who knows what filled with lumber. Your reuse of soil is an excellent idea and it should get enriched and more stable as the years go by but you do need to rest it (compost it by leaving in some of the root matter and adding some bone meal, guano, but most importantly dolomite lime (PH neutral) every couple of years) and black bag it for a few months in a warm place before each grow. I have been doing this for a dozen or so years with my soil and grow an pound or more (2 plants) just using water and No nutes under a 600W hps ( with nutes, just over a gram per watt) with hardly ever an issue they only seem to arise if I put them on a heavy feed regiment ( I'm not an organic grower but some grows I just use plain water and can't be bothered with the whole feeding process, lazy I guess.
If you want to do organic grows you need to research and put time into developing your soil since you won't be adding ferts your soil has to be as good and stable as you can get it.
The main reason I responded to your thread was because the son of a buddy of mine was in the Exact same position your in now and after lending him 5 gallons of my soil ( never grow in less than 3 gallons) and transplanting it after removing as much of his lumbered soil as possible, his pink lemonade came back with a vengeance in about 3-4 days and is now going strong.
Cheers!
I am using Happy Frog, which I did read some mixed reviews about nutrient burn. I understand there is room for improvement, but surely they must grow in this soil as many people around the world have, and continue to do so. I can't speak to the genetic composition of my seeds, but all 6 out 6 germinated - none grew properly. Before happy frog I was using a different soil called "Dutch Treat starter mix", there is absolutely no information about it online though...

Thank you for your insight on the organic soil, that's some good information I can refer back to in the future. I definitely want to get into that type of growing, but unfortunately that won't be anytime soon. I live in a studio with my partner, so our space is quite limited :/

Just wanted to give you a standing ovation for the level of detail you put into describing your grow.
Haha, thanks! I don't understand why people always post such vague posts when asking for help. It is a waste of time to the reader/person helping, and to the person needing that help promptly. The less back and forth, the faster the issue can be addressed. If you want other people to help you, the least you can do is put in the effort to provide the right information.
 

parrajara

Member
I watered my plant 3 days ago and the plants were droopy, but the soil was moist. Did a bit of research and concluded my soil has bad aeration/drainage. Simply, not enough perlite.

I dug my finger in the soil to try and mix some of the top soil with a bit deeper down, just under my full finger length, but past my knuckle for sure.

I ended up coming up with this piece of root. I'm not sure how much of a % of the total root this may be, but yeah... any ideas what I can be expecting?

It was scraping the side , not near the middle
 

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bernie344

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Thats the difference between watering, so underwatering was clearly m my main issue. Would that also be the same thing that caused the bottom leaves to turn yellow?

Both my plants look much better, so I hope they start growing at a more normal rate now.

Only thing I can't seem to fix are the claw tips on my Cannabitch one, it hasn't gotten worse but it also hasn't gotten better for about 5 days
Plants look fine now, dont over think it, worry about the new growth.
 

WordzCatz

Member
They are too dry. spring time when seedlings pop has regular rains. Try giving them 1 oz of water per day. You don't want seedlings to wet dry cycle keep them moist. obviously not water logged but moist.
 
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