4 weeks into flower normal size buds?

I'm currently going into the 4th week of flower and my buds seem very small to me can anyone help.

Animal face
750 hps
Coco
800 to 1000ppm
Co2 1500ppm
Watering 3 times a day lights on
Temps 78 to 80
Ph 6.2
Nuts emerald harvest cali pro a and b

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Don’t stress too much, just give it some time. You may have a 9-10+ week strain.

How high is your light above the canopy?

The first pic looks like you could be having a bit of light stress since the leaves are tacoing. The second node from the top also appear to have the edges curling downward which can be from excess nitrogen. Can’t really determine the color under the HPS. Are they dark green?

Are you getting 10-20% runoff per feed?

Thanks for the reply man, from what I read it's a 9 or 10 week. I didn't expect them to stretch as much as they did l, so yeah there about 12 inch from canopy. Not ideal. They are pretty dark green so I believe a little N toxicity also. I'm using emerald harvest a and b. Not a big fan of it so far for bloom anyways. Really high in N on the a and b

nor cal 999 said:

Thanks for the reply man, from what I read it's a 9 or 10 week. I didn't expect them to stretch as much as they did l, so yeah there about 12 inch from canopy. Not ideal. They are pretty dark green so I believe a little N toxicity also. I'm using emerald harvest a and b. Not a big fan of it so far for bloom anyways. Really high in N on the a and b

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Sorry I didn’t see the strain at first. It’s an OG & Cookie cross so it will be more of a lanky structure with clusters of buds. I’m a huge OG/GSC fan myself but they definitely aren’t the best yielders.

I’m assuming you’re using a Gavita since it’s a 750w? If so, 24-30” is more ideal.

I do believe it’s a slight N toxicity. In the first pic the second node from the top has that distinctive claw with the edges curling downward. I would try running 600-800ppm, 1000 is a bit high for feeding 3x a day in Coco. Making sure you get enough runoff is crucial as well to flush the excess salt.

Are you using just the B currently for flower? Those NPK ratios seem a bit odd.

My Dyna-Gro foliage pro is 12-3-6 & bloom is 3-12-6.

Yeah I guess its face off of x animal mints. I did a test run awhile ago on my last run and seemed to do decent but I cant remember if the buds were this small this late in flower. The lights are se 1000s dialed down to 75%, not the greatest light but they work for now. Emerald harvest has cali pro grow a and b, then bloom a and b but the numbers are super high in N. I think I'm going to make a switch tomorrow. I'm using both a and b.

The A is 3-0-3 and the B is 1-4-6 I dont like how high the N is. They seem very healthy otherwise me thinking the bud size is lacking

SE’s still perform really well. Are you running AC hoods?

Oh okay I checked the grow A&B NPK ratios but not the bloom, I thought it was a two part not four part. Just dial back the bloom A to lower the N.

Yes air cooled hoods. It's funny when I went to my local hydro store to get new bulbs awhile back they said they dont carry them anymore because there prehistoric haha, as they try to sell me new lights and Sorry about that I should of said 4 part. So just dial back the A then. Maybe a stupid question but why the A and not the B?

nor cal 999 said:

Yes air cooled hoods. It's funny when I went to my local hydro store to get new bulbs awhile back they said they dont carry them anymore because there prehistoric haha, as they try to sell me new lights and Sorry about that I should of said 4 part. So just dial back the A then. Maybe a stupid question but why the A and not the B?

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I try to go to the hydro store as little as possible for that reason, they are like car salesman and most of my local shops stuff is way overpriced. I order most of my stuff from GrowersHouse or Amazon. I have noticed the cost of my Hortilux SE bulbs go up.

12” shouldn’t hurt the plants too much if the hoods are AC as long as you don’t get any bleaching or burnt pistils. I just switched from SE 600’s to LED but have yet to flower. Hopefully it was worth the “upgrade”, if not then it’s back to HPS.

You want to dial back the A because it’s NPK is 3-0-3 so it’s high in nitrogen. The B is 1-4-6 so it’s lower in nitrogen and higher in phosphorus and potassium which is essential for bud production.

The part A seems to have calcium and micro nutrients while the B does not so I wouldn’t cut it out completely but definitely try lowering the rate. If you are currently using A & B at a 1:1 ratio, try going with a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio and see if the N toxicity subsides.

That makes perfect sense, I'll probably try a 1:3 ratio. Funny you mention LEDs my first run was some cheap LEDs off Amazon and they did very well now that I look back. At the time I thought they were garbage so I sold them. Come to find out 2 runs later they did better then my 600hps for those 2 runs and they were pulling 480 from the wall. I'll be switching back soon as I can. My buddy is using gavita LEDs and pulling 2g per watt but they cost him $1300 a peice. Well worth it if you have the initial investment.

nor cal 999 said:

That makes perfect sense, I'll probably try a 1:3 ratio. Funny you mention LEDs my first run was some cheap LEDs off Amazon and they did very well now that I look back. At the time I thought they were garbage so I sold them. Come to find out 2 runs later they did better then my 600hps for those 2 runs and they were pulling 480 from the wall. I'll be switching back soon as I can. My buddy is using gavita LEDs and pulling 2g per watt but they cost him $1300 a peice. Well worth it if you have the initial investment.

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I replaced 2 600’s with 800w of LED. Running 480w of 3500k Samsung LM301 diodes which was $320 from Alibaba and 320w using HLG’s QB 96’s which cost me $300 to build. I can’t push myself to spend over $1k on a light and I enjoy DIY so I’ll probably just build some strip fixtures if the LED’s perform well.

Definitely let me know how that goes, I think you'll be happy with the results. Was it easy to buy those from Alibaba. I been looking at some of the lights they have on there. I was just worried I'd get ripped off. I've heard good and bad reviews. Do you run co2

nor cal 999 said:

Definitely let me know how that goes, I think you'll be happy with the results. Was it easy to buy those from Alibaba. I been looking at some of the lights they have on there. I was just worried I'd get ripped off. I've heard good and bad reviews. Do you run co2

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Yes it was very easy. I went with Kingbrites, was $320 for 2 240w fixtures shipped and took 6 days to arrive. I’m very interested in the Meijiu strips but wanted to start out small before spending $700 on a China light.

Now that I’ve looked into DIY more. I think I would just buy some Samsung strips and build my own for a fraction of the price. The DIY HLG’s came out to less than $1/watt and were easy to build as well so I’m interested in how they perform.

I don’t currently run CO2 but I’ve prepped my room and have all the equipment to go sealed. I was actually planning on doing it this run but decided to try out the LED first so I can compare my past yields with the 600’s. I’ll be adding it next run.

nor cal 999 said:

Yeah I guess its face off of x animal mints. I did a test run awhile ago on my last run and seemed to do decent but I cant remember if the buds were this small this late in flower. The lights are se 1000s dialed down to 75%, not the greatest light but they work for now. Emerald harvest has cali pro grow a and b, then bloom a and b but the numbers are super high in N. I think I'm going to make a switch tomorrow. I'm using both a and b.

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animal face? i would give my left leg for seed. my absolute favorite strain.. picked up some at hightide wellness in brookings oregon.. love it

NukaKola said:

Yes it was very easy. I went with Kingbrites, was $320 for 2 240w fixtures shipped and took 6 days to arrive. I’m very interested in the Meijiu strips but wanted to start out small before spending $700 on a China light.

Now that I’ve looked into DIY more. I think I would just buy some Samsung strips and build my own for a fraction of the price. The DIY HLG’s came out to less than $1/watt and were easy to build as well so I’m interested in how they perform.

I don’t currently run CO2 but I’ve prepped my room and have all the equipment to go sealed. I was actually planning on doing it this run but decided to try out the LED first so I can compare my past yields with the 600’s. I’ll be adding it next run.

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Cool thanks for the info, I'll check them out. Yeah co2 with LEDs are the way to go but since they dont put out IR heat you have to keep your room temps a little higher but since I've used co2 I've seen a drastic increase in yeilds.

TraeNOK said:

animal face? i would give my left leg for seed. my absolute favorite strain.. picked up some at hightide wellness in brookings oregon.. love it

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My buddy just pulled his deps and it is insane. Definitely a great strain. I'm just hoping the buds get bigger hahaha