40 Year Old Conspiracy

how many times have we been on the moon from 69 ?

If they landed on the moon nearly 40 years ago there should be petrol stations and all sorts up there by now at least more advantced than today any way theres no more change now than 40 years ago

I think they sent a camera up just and got some nice pic,s of earth and made the film in america near the mexican border ,

if they did land why is there only one film of man on the moon and that was in the 60,s

and how come with the rockets and space ships they have now today that are 100s of times better , how come theres no more films of man on the moon
shouldent we be able to go up there now any time we want by now ......

SHOOT2KILL66 said:

how many times have we been on the moon from 69 ?

If they landed on the moon nearly 40 years ago there should be petrol stations and all sorts up there by now at least more advantced than today any way theres no more change now than 40 years ago

I think they sent a camera up just and got some nice pic,s of earth and made the film in america near the mexican border ,

if they did land why is there only one film of man on the moon and that was in the 60,s

and how come with the rockets and space ships they have now today that are 100s of times better , how come theres no more films of man on the moon
shouldent we be able to go up there now any time we want by now ......

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Going to the moon is very costly. If we send more people there, there isn't really much for them to do. It's just a barren planet. We don't send people into space so they can sit around and jerk off, they need shit to do. Astronauts in space stations have a busy schedule of doing experiments and what not. Just because we went there once doesn't mean we could take the giant leap of setting up permanent bases there. At the moment there is really no sense in going back.

lol of course they want up there .

That would be the 1st steping stone to the next stop.

If they could get up there they would be there doing test,s on every thing and going there on a regular basis trying to advance to mars the next stop

you dont just go once look around and say there nothing here there no point going back they would of at the very least been there 10 times by now after all look at the 60,s compaired to now

SHOOT2KILL66 said:

lol of course they want up there .

That would be the 1st steping stone to the next stop.

If they could get up there they would be there doing test,s on every thing and going there on a regular basis trying to advance to mars the next stop

you dont just go once look around and say there nothing here there no point going back they would of at the very least been there 10 times by now after all look at the 60,s compaired to now

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Why the hell would we want to go to Mars? It is also a barren planet. It would be a waste of money. We won't be going there for a while. You don't really seem to understand this. There is no point in spending billions of dollars to go to nearby planets. They are not "stepping stones" to anywhere, because even some planets in our own solar system are years away. And none of them are inhabitable. We can't land on Jupiter, it's just a big gas cloud. In order to find inhabitable planets where there might be resources or other lifeforms, we would need technology that we are nowhere near obtaining. And we couldn't simply hop from one planet to next in that way, because outside of our solar system the planets are EXTREMELY far away.

i think its you that dont understand
they are sending air craft to mars costing millions and to the moon just no people and every thing they have sent hasent worked so it was a waist of money billions not millions

im the wrong person to ask why they are going there ask nasa i guess
But they want up there and have not sent no one up there if they could in the 60,s why cant they now

SHOOT2KILL66 said:

i think its you that dont understand
they are sending air craft to mars costing millions and to the moon just no people and every thing they have sent hasent worked so it was a waist of money billions not millions

im the wrong person to ask why they are going there ask nasa i guess
But they want up there and have not sent no one up there if they could in the 60,s why cant they now

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They send probes to Mars because it doesn't cost as much as sending people. Not to mention the extraordinary amount of time it actually takes to get there. Of course they are going to explore but like I said, it isn't cost effective at the moment to send people BACK to the moon. There isn't much they could learn from sending people to Mars that they couldn't learn with probes.

I don't believe you addressed what I had originally said, which is that civilians were listening to their radio communications while they were on the moon. Do you think that maybe they sent up a radio recording to fool them?

suicidesamurai said:

How do you know a flag was planted by a probe?

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Because there damn sure haven't been any people up there

suicidesamurai said:

Going to the moon is very costly. If we send more people there, there isn't really much for them to do. It's just a barren planet. We don't send people into space so they can sit around and jerk off, they need shit to do. Astronauts in space stations have a busy schedule of doing experiments and what not. Just because we went there once doesn't mean we could take the giant leap of setting up permanent bases there. At the moment there is really no sense in going back.

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OMFG.......and space isn't a barren environment....if we could actually go to the moon we would have a base there, and not one floating around just above Earth's atmosphere, where the astronauts could do experiments. Also a base on the moon would be more beneficial to us because we could then use it as a jump off point to go further. Don't you think the moon could withstand a hell of alot more payload than a space station floating around in orbit?

suicidesamurai said:

Why the hell would we want to go to Mars? It is also a barren planet. It would be a waste of money. We won't be going there for a while. You don't really seem to understand this. There is no point in spending billions of dollars to go to nearby planets. They are not "stepping stones" to anywhere, because even some planets in our own solar system are years away. And none of them are inhabitable. We can't land on Jupiter, it's just a big gas cloud. In order to find inhabitable planets where there might be resources or other lifeforms, we would need technology that we are nowhere near obtaining. And we couldn't simply hop from one planet to next in that way, because outside of our solar system the planets are EXTREMELY far away.

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Why the hell would we want to go to Mars......geez your thick....probably because we are destroying and overpopulating this planet. We are going to have to go somewhere and Mars is the only likely solution at this time with the newly discovered ice caps and all. Also...no one really knows what the hell any of these planets other than Mars looks like beneath all of those clouds.....no one has been there....no probes have ever been sent to the surface of these planets. For all we know under those clouds and massive storms on Jupiter there could be a surface teaming with intelligent life that breathes freaking helium .

suicidesamurai said:

They send probes to Mars because it doesn't cost as much as sending people. Not to mention the extraordinary amount of time it actually takes to get there. Of course they are going to explore but like I said, it isn't cost effective at the moment to send people BACK to the moon. There isn't much they could learn from sending people to Mars that they couldn't learn with probes.

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They sent probes to Mars to find out whether or not it would be inhabitable. You can't just up and send people to another planet without researching it first. Nevertheless, we couldn't get there right now if we wanted to anyway. It isn't cost effective to send people to the moon because we don't even have the ability.

suicidesamurai said:

I don't believe you addressed what I had originally said, which is that civilians were listening to their radio communications while they were on the moon. Do you think that maybe they sent up a radio recording to fool them?

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I'll address that statement....absolutely they set it up. You mean to tell me that just because people heard radio transmissions of the moon landing, that makes it real.....wow. So I guess all the radio and TV transmissions nowadays are coming from the moon as well...LMAO. Something else to think about.....people in Australia heard the exact same transmissions as the people in the US......only 30 minutes earlier....explain that.

Erniedytn said:

Because there damn sure haven't been any people up there

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Would you care to provide some evidence?

Erniedytn said:

OMFG.......and space isn't a barren environment....if we could actually go to the moon we would have a base there, and not one floating around just above Earth's atmosphere, where the astronauts could do experiments. Also a base on the moon would be more beneficial to us because we could then use it as a jump off point to go further. Don't you think the moon could withstand a hell of alot more payload than a space station floating around in orbit?

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Why do we need a base there to be a jump off point? It isn't that far away, so setting up a base, and all the money that would cost, wouldn't be worth the effort when we can just launch from Earth.

Erniedytn said:

Why the hell would we want to go to Mars......geez your thick....probably because we are destroying and overpopulating this planet. We are going to have to go somewhere and Mars is the only likely solution at this time with the newly discovered ice caps and all.

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Yes we may indeed need to go to other planets at some point, but that is far off in the future. As of yet it is not a priority, and neither is sending men to Mars.

Erniedytn said:

Also...no one really knows what the hell any of these planets other than Mars looks like beneath all of those clouds.....no one has been there....no probes have ever been sent to the surface of these planets. For all we know under those clouds and massive storms on Jupiter there could be a surface teaming with intelligent life that breathes freaking helium .

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Jupiter is not suitable for sustaining life. "Intelligent" lifeforms could not evolve there. Perhaps an advanced race from some other planet colonized the planet, but that is improbable since you can't actually land on a gas giant like Jupiter.

Erniedytn said:

They sent probes to Mars to find out whether or not it would be inhabitable. You can't just up and send people to another planet without researching it first.

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No shit.

Erniedytn said:

Nevertheless, we couldn't get there right now if we wanted to anyway.

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No shit. That is my point.

Erniedytn said:

It isn't cost effective to send people to the moon because we don't even have the ability.

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Erniedytn said:

I'll address that statement....absolutely they set it up. You mean to tell me that just because people heard radio transmissions of the moon landing, that makes it real.....wow. So I guess all the radio and TV transmissions nowadays are coming from the moon as well...LMAO.

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Everything that doesn't jibe with your theories is a set up. Every new piece of evidence that you don't like is put into the "part of the conspiracy" file and locked away. Do you ever think in the back of your mind, why it is you believe all of these conspiracy theories? You are quite a case study.

Erniedytn said:

Something else to think about.....people in Australia heard the exact same transmissions as the people in the US......only 30 minutes earlier....explain that.

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I've never heard that one. If you can, provide a reliable source, i.e. something that isn't from a conspiracy website.

smamuri i take it u think they got to the moon then yes

why only go once in black and white days and never go back !
they wouldent of had the equiment back then to do all them any tests that they do now digging and searching as they do taking sampiles and whatever

im sure they would like to do more modern tests for what ever reasons they do it for now why would they just go once and never return

did they not say back then it was the 1st small step for man lol so why have they done fuck all else in 40 years lol

in fact the dident have the equipment back then to get to the moon never mind tests lol

suicidesamurai said:

Would you care to provide some evidence?

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Any evidence I provide you will be written off immediately as it seems you do not want to believe any "conspiracy websites". Besides how the hell can you prove a negative.....that's like me telling you to prove to me that aliens do not exist.

Why do we need a base there to be a jump off point? It isn't that far away, so setting up a base, and all the money that would cost, wouldn't be worth the effort when we can just launch from Earth.

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We need a jump off point because the Earths gravity is too much to launch alot of heavy shit...therefore a moon base..or the International Space Station is needed.

Jupiter is not suitable for sustaining life. "Intelligent" lifeforms could not evolve there. Perhaps an advanced race from some other planet colonized the planet, but that is improbable since you can't actually land on a gas giant like Jupiter.

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How the hell do you know what Jupiter is capable of sustaining...have you ever been there? Just because we could'nt live there doesn't mean that there isn't anything there. For all we know life could have developed there. Thats the problem with us, we assume that everything else in the universe has to evolve like us. There could be some 10 legged, no eyes having, helium breathing creatures there.

Everything that doesn't jibe with your theories is a set up. Every new piece of evidence that you don't like is put into the "part of the conspiracy" file and locked away. Do you ever think in the back of your mind, why it is you believe all of these conspiracy theories? You are quite a case study.

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I believe alot of the conspiracy theories becuse the evidence is all around us. I have not let the government and mainstream media dumb me down to conform to their version of reality. I think that most of America is the "Case Study" for believing all this bullshit they feed us.

I've never heard that one. If you can, provide a reliable source, i.e. something that isn't from a conspiracy website.

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Actually I was wrong....they didn't hear the transmission 30 mins before we did, they saw something totally different than we did on the television transmissions. Here you go:

In western Australia during the live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moon landing, several people saw a very unusual occurrence. One viewer, Una Ronald watched the telecast and was astonished with what she saw.
The residents of Honeysuckle Creek, Australia, actually saw a different broadcast to the rest of the World. Just shortly before Armstrong stepped onto the Moons surface, a change could be seen where the picture goes from a stark black to a brighter picture. Honeysuckle Creek stayed with the picture and although the voice transmissions were broadcast from Goldstone, the actual film footage was broadcast from Australia. As Una watched Armstrong walking on the surface of the Moon she spotted a Coke bottle that was kicked in the right hand side of the picture. This was in the early hours of the morning and she phoned her friends to see if they had seen the same thing, unfortunately they had missed it but were going to watch the rebroadcast the next day. Needless to say, the footage had been edited and the offending Coke bottle had been cut out of the film. But several other viewers had seen the bottle and many articles appeared in The West Australian newspaper.
Western Australia received their coverage in a different way to the rest of the World. They were the only Country where there wasn't a delay to the 'live' transmission. Bill Kaysing says 'NASA and other connected agencies couldn't get to the Moon and back and so went to ARPA (Advanced Research Projects Agency) in Massachusetts and asked them how they could simulate the actual landing and space walks. We have to remember that all communications with Apollo were run and monitored by NASA, and therefore journalists who thought they were hearing men on the Moon could have easily been misled. All NASA footage was actually filmed off TV screens at Houston Mission Control for the TV coverage... No one in the media were given the raw footage.'
Bill Wood is a highly qualified scientist and has degrees in mathematics, physics and chemistry, and a space rocket and propulsion engineer. He has been granted high security clearance for a number of top secret projects and has worked with Macdonald Douglas and engineers who worked on the Saturn 5 rocket (the Apollo launch vehicle). He worked at Goldstone as a Communications Engineer during the Apollo missions. Goldstone in California, USA, were responsible for receiving and distributing the pictures sent from the Apollo to Houston. He says early video machines were used to record the NASA footage here on Earth by the TV networks. They received the FM carrier signal on Earth, ran it through an FM demodulator and processed it in an RCA scan converter that took the slow scan signal and converted it to the US standard black and white TV signal. The film was then sent onto Houston. When they were converting from slow scan to fast scan, RCA used disc and scan recorders as a memory and it played back the same video several times until it got an updated picture. In other words the signal was recorded onto video one then converted to video two. Movie film runs at 30 frames per second, whereas video film runs at 60 frames per second. So in other words the footage that most people saw that they thought was 'live' wasn't, and was actually 50% slower than the original footage!!!

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But you will probably disregard this as it has came from a website that isn't controlled by the mainstream media and therefore is a "conspiracy website" in your book.

Erniedytn said:

Any evidence I provide you will be written off immediately as it seems you do not want to believe any "conspiracy websites". Besides how the hell can you prove a negative.....that's like me telling you to prove to me that aliens do not exist.

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You are claiming they sent a probe in place of astronauts, right?. All I'm asking is that you provide evidence for it. And I do believe there are not only aliens, but intelligent ones out there somewhere. Whether or not they could create the technology to get here, or if that technology could plausibly be created, is another story.

Erniedytn said:

We need a jump off point because the Earths gravity is too much to launch alot of heavy shit...therefore a moon base..or the International Space Station is needed.

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It would be easier in that way.

Erniedytn said:

How the hell do you know what Jupiter is capable of sustaining...have you ever been there? Just because we could'nt live there doesn't mean that there isn't anything there. For all we know life could have developed there. Thats the problem with us, we assume that everything else in the universe has to evolve like us. There could be some 10 legged, no eyes having, helium breathing creatures there.

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Intelligent beings would need an environment suitable for the development of intelligence. Such creatures would evolve differently than we have, but would still need some similarities. For instance, a 10 legged, no eyes having species wouldn't become intelligent like we are, in the same way that the octopus, although quite intelligent, could never become as intelligent as humans. I do not believe a gaseous planet could provide such an environment for the required development.

Erniedytn said:

I believe alot of the conspiracy theories becuse the evidence is all around us. I have not let the government and mainstream media dumb me down to conform to their version of reality. I think that most of America is the "Case Study" for believing all this bullshit they feed us.

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Skeptics do plenty of work debunking conspiracy theories. They are not necessarily associated with the government or the MSM. I think the reason people like yourself believe such an assortment of conspiracy theories has little to do with the available evidence, but rather your personality.

Erniedytn said:

Actually I was wrong....they didn't hear the transmission 30 mins before we did, they saw something totally different than we did on the television transmissions. Here you go:



But you will probably disregard this as it has came from a website that isn't controlled by the mainstream media and therefore is a "conspiracy website" in your book.

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What is the website?

suicidesamurai said:

Intelligent beings would need an environment suitable for the development of intelligence. Such creatures would evolve differently than we have, but would still need some similarities. For instance, a 10 legged, no eyes having species wouldn't become intelligent like we are, in the same way that the octopus, although quite intelligent, could never become as intelligent as humans. I do not believe a gaseous planet could provide such an environment for the required development.


Skeptics do plenty of work debunking conspiracy theories. They are not necessarily associated with the government or the MSM. I think the reason people like yourself believe such an assortment of conspiracy theories has little to do with the available evidence, but rather your personality.



What is the website?

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Once again nobody on this entire planet has a clue as to what can evolve where. We are stuck in the mindframe that everthing else in the universe has to evolve like us...but this isn't about aliens.

Once again I believe most of the conspiracy theories because the evidence is right in front of us. Maybe it is something to do with my personality, but I believe if you look hard enough you will find the truth.

Website: The Apollo Hoax

Erniedytn said:

Once again nobody on this entire planet has a clue as to what can evolve where. We are stuck in the mindframe that everthing else in the universe has to evolve like us...but this isn't about aliens.

Once again I believe most of the conspiracy theories because the evidence is right in front of us. Maybe it is something to do with my personality, but I believe if you look hard enough you will find the truth.

Website: The Apollo Hoax

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I've looked at the evidence for various conspiracy theories. What it comes down to is the way you put things together. You may have a certain pattern of thinking where you look at the evidence and it makes sense that it is a conspiracy, and when I look at the evidence it makes no sense at all, and is just a jumbled mess. The theorists that come up with these ideas don't follow any sort of scientific method. They have a preconceived notion and build the evidence around that. So someone like yourself, who already does not trust the government or the "mainstream media", gets their information from these sources and sticks with it.

Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

JFK and multiple shooters?

Government cover-up of UFOs?

9/11 set up?

Secret societies control the world?

Moon hoax, we know.

The chances are slim that these all happen to be true, and conspiracy theorists, who (no offense to you) are generally kooks with little or no expertise in the field they are discussing, have figured it all out. I can understand how many people believe in one conspiracy theory, but once you start believing in many of them, it says more about the believer than it does about any conspiracy.

I can see this 1 go on a bit LOL

Ive a good idea every 1 light a fatty up Make sure you can feel the wiegh of the Joint nice and heavy as you light it and feel the gravity goo like your on the moon your self fuck neil armstrong bouncing about las vagas in a pair of moon boots !

especailly u samuri you,d argue black was white lol


PEACE

suicidesamurai said:

Which conspiracy theories do you believe?

JFK and multiple shooters?

Government cover-up of UFOs?

9/11 set up?

Secret societies control the world?

Moon hoax, we know.

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OK so the JFK thing was before my time, but I have seen the Zapruda film several times, and it does appear that he got hit more than once. Not really a big concern to me though.

The government has definately covered up UFO's

9/11 was definately an inside job.

The secret society thing seems probable, but I am not a die hard on this. I could go either way really. I just like to stir up shit in the politics forum when I can't get a discussion out of someone over here. I know we have been through this before.

So that is 3/5 I am dead set on.

Basically my concerns are with space and aliens. I find it hard to believe that we landed on the moon so long ago, but haven't been back in over 40 years. If we really went to the moon we wouldn't have set up the ISS. I mean we are already hearing reports from NASA that it is to be used as a jump off point, so why the hell didn't we just build it on the moon. As for the aliens, they are definately out there and have been here too. The government covered up the Roswell crash because we were in the middle of the cold war, and they didn't want the Soviets to find out what we had recovered for 2 reasons. One being that it could be Soviet and they didn't want them to know we had something of theirs, or two being that they didn't want them to know we had recovered alien technology. Then we started reverse engineering the shit. I could go on for hours about this but I don't have the time...lol.

Edit: Also like I said earlier the fake moon landing was the point in history when the American government figured out it could lie to the world and get away with it. This, in my opinion, is what has led them to be able to lie to us about JFK, Roswell, and 9/11. They got away with it then and are continuing to do it to this day.

Erniedytn said:

OK so the JFK thing was before my time, but I have seen the Zapruda film several times, and it does appear that he got hit more than once. Not really a big concern to me though.

The government has definately covered up UFO's

9/11 was definately an inside job.

The secret society thing seems probable, but I am not a die hard on this. I could go either way really. I just like to stir up shit in the politics forum when I can't get a discussion out of someone over here. I know we have been through this before.

So that is 3/5 I am dead set on.

Basically my concerns are with space and aliens. I find it hard to believe that we landed on the moon so long ago, but haven't been back in over 40 years. If we really went to the moon we wouldn't have set up the ISS. I mean we are already hearing reports from NASA that it is to be used as a jump off point, so why the hell didn't we just build it on the moon. As for the aliens, they are definately out there and have been here too. The government covered up the Roswell crash because we were in the middle of the cold war, and they didn't want the Soviets to find out what we had recovered for 2 reasons. One being that it could be Soviet and they didn't want them to know we had something of theirs, or two being that they didn't want them to know we had recovered alien technology. Then we started reverse engineering the shit. I could go on for hours about this but I don't have the time...lol.

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Have you seen any evidence of conspiracy regarding the other manned landings?

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Edit: Also like I said earlier the fake moon landing was the point in history when the American government figured out it could lie to the world and get away with it. This, in my opinion, is what has led them to be able to lie to us about JFK, Roswell, and 9/11. They got away with it then and are continuing to do it to this day.

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What if it were proven to you that it wasn't faked?

SHOOT2KILL66 said:

I can see this 1 go on a bit LOL

Ive a good idea every 1 light a fatty up Make sure you can feel the wiegh of the Joint nice and heavy as you light it and feel the gravity goo like your on the moon your self fuck neil armstrong bouncing about las vagas in a pair of moon boots !

especailly u samuri you,d argue black was white lol


PEACE

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All I'm saying is you should be careful what you say about these astronauts. Remember that guy that got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin when he was chasing after him about the landing be a hoax? They consider it a personal insult. They achieved one of the greatest feats in history and people call them liars.

suicidesamurai said:

Have you seen any evidence of conspiracy regarding the other manned landings?

What if it were proven to you that it wasn't faked?

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I view the whole Apollo program as a hoax. I mean they went into space, but they wen't no further than just past our atmosphere IMO.

I'm trying to think of something that could be concrete enough to make me believe it was real, but I can't come up with anything. But lets just say that something was solid enough to convince me, I would still believe aliens crashed at Roswell, but no matter what you do or say, you will never convince me that 9/11 was not an inside job.

Erniedytn said:

I view the whole Apollo program as a hoax. I mean they went into space, but they wen't no further than just past our atmosphere IMO.

I'm trying to think of something that could be concrete enough to make me believe it was real, but I can't come up with anything. But lets just say that something was solid enough to convince me, I would still believe aliens crashed at Roswell, but no matter what you do or say, you will never convince me that 9/11 was not an inside job.

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Watch this video. Even just this Part 1. It is just a bit of knowledge and lots of common sense. If they were in a studio, or out on open land on Earth, how is it possible that they never kick up dust clouds?

Also watch when the astronaut loses his balance. In those bulky spacesuits, even if they were fake ones that weren't as heavy and restrictive as real ones, it would be nearly impossible for him to NOT fall over, unless he was actually on the moon with much less gravity. Think about how much a suit like that would weigh, and how you could conceivably regain your balance while almost horizontal, while in our gravity.

YouTube - Lunar Legacy Episode 1, Part 1 (Did we land on the moon?)