4th CFL Grow With Jungle Growth Soil - Blue Mataro and Afghan Kush x Train Wreck

Concord Dawn

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Plan to do some lollipopping or putting some cfl's at the sides?
im working on the side lighting, but no lollipopping. im gonna tie some of the taller branches down a little though.

man there is going to be so many bud sites, even blade might get a bud site...hahaha
LMAO, thats great!!yeah, i think this gonna really put out a nice harvest for sure.

day 63 for grassy and she is looking very happy. i put some stakes in just to see how there gonna go, im sure i'll need them, and as i just said, im gonna try an tie some of it down some to help with the height problem.
 

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homer371

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grassy is looking really nice cd, really nice. but looks like she might be looking for a bigger house soon!? how much side room do you have? maybe you could bend some branches out?
 

SmeLLyTreeZ

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Shes going to be a monster! Looking great brotha!!

THey loved it around me too lol! I might try to do one outside this year "KandyKUshBush" :)
 

Concord Dawn

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Shes going to be a monster! Looking great brotha!!
THey loved it around me too lol! I might try to do one outside this year "KandyKUshBush" :)
i know huh, this shit is so awesome!! thanks man. i think this should have been an outside plant, LoL.

CD got another beast on his hands!
yes i do, but i'll make it work.

lol look at how much room he doesn't have at the top! This one will be tricky CD. Good luck holmes.
LMFAO, yeah, thanks bro, but i am the "man in a box" and i will make it work, LoL.

heres the "beast" at day 64, everything is looking good and i got the light up another 3", not much but sholud help. man, i held the camera down low and just pushed the button and this is the shot i got, thought it was pretty cool.
 

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sicks string samurai

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Man CD, i love that fuckin forest shot. There's just something about your field of vision being clouded up by green growth. Stunning and beautiful my friend.

Woops forgot to add this question..

So since i'm growing in a fuckin FRIDGE. I can has ghetto growers club membarsheep?
 

stoneyluv

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CD, That is looking so awesome in that box.... this grow is top all the others by far!!!!!! you should slide a piece of fence in there and start a quick scrog to get that thing under control. it's gonna buldge out the sides soon!!!



Man CD, i love that fuckin forest shot. There's just something about your field of vision being clouded up by green growth. Stunning and beautiful my friend.

Woops forgot to add this question..

So since i'm growing in a fuckin FRIDGE. I can has ghetto growers club membarsheep?
Does your fridge have any duct tape on it?
 

Concord Dawn

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CD, That is looking so awesome in that box.... this grow is top all the others by far!!!!!! you should slide a piece of fence in there and start a quick scrog to get that thing under control. it's gonna buldge out the sides soon!!!
Does your fridge have any duct tape on it?
thanks bro, i think its just a little to late to do it, but man i wish i would have. i cant trim it, the bud sites are all over now and i just dont want to lose any of it.

Man CD, i love that fuckin forest shot. There's just something about your field of vision being clouded up by green growth. Stunning and beautiful my friend.

Woops forgot to add this question..

So since i'm growing in a fuckin FRIDGE. I can has ghetto growers club membarsheep?
thanks sss, it is one cool pic, i was surprised when i pulled it up at how neat it looked, plus, theres no lights in the pic. maybe i can enjter it in a photo contest for weed, LoL. and yes, i think that would qualify for the ghetto thread.
 

rastadred22

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damn cd grassy is a beast! and that blade of grass is lookin high grade! lol! man thats some crazy shit about the kennel! glad everything worked out ok!

well i posted on here a few weeks ago about why i dont flush and there where alot of interested ppl so i thought id share this with u guys! illumination came across this post from a sensi seed bank admin. its a good read!...sorry for the length i hope u dont mind CD...

From an administrator at Sensi Seeds

"Advanced - Flushing

A critical look at preharvest flushing

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality.

The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

A good read about plant nutrition can be found here.

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/Publications/2001 Proceedings/min_nutr.pdf

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavor of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

http://acd.ucar.edu/~eholland/encyc6.html

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulfur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is neeeded for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins, most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulfur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.


Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing."
 

Concord Dawn

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good stuff there rasta, thanks!! i dont mind at all. so you dont need to flush, i didnt and believe me, theres no funny taste in this bud, this shit is right!! and i was smoking it 2 days after cutting it. most went into the jars though and its still kicking ass, LoL. the other thing, i said it somewhere, that my plants looked perfect right up to cut time, no yellowing or any problems. i think that has a lot to do with it also. im gonna keep doing it the way i am and works, great stuff man and good to hear from ya!!

yeah blade and grassy are looking wild in the box, went a little to far this time but i'll get it under control, LoL.

oh, and good news from herbies seeds, FREE SEEDS now and there good ones, check it out.
 

sicks string samurai

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Does your fridge have any duct tape on it?
Supporting hanging wires. And some of that (what i like to call) aluminum foil tape.

Also, CD. Question. Say i ordered from Herbies, do they use 'discrete shipping' methods? When i ordered my seeds from attitude, i paid out the ass for shipping and 'stealth' to get it here. IS herbies the same way?
 

gumball

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CD, you have to super crop, just have to. Have I ever given you bad advice? You seen how much I break my shit, and it does help. Try it on a small branch first just to get a feel for it. Bigger woody branches may have a tendency to break.

The plant does look awesome!! may need to put some lights on the bottom though because when she fills out aint no light gonna penetrate through the Concordonian Rain Forest!!!

I am glad to hear of the free seeds at herbies, I was thinking of sweet talking the ole lady into letting me buy some and now I see this :wall: I have so much going on now, I would never get 'em cycled in. I also want to make colloidal silver out of some silver I have here to make some fem seeds. Man at all the choices!!!
 

Concord Dawn

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Supporting hanging wires. And some of that (what i like to call) aluminum foil tape.
Also, CD. Question. Say i ordered from Herbies, do they use 'discrete shipping' methods? When i ordered my seeds from attitude, i paid out the ass for shipping and 'stealth' to get it here. IS herbies the same way?
sent you a PM, you'll be happy with them!!

CD, you have to super crop, just have to. Have I ever given you bad advice? You seen how much I break my shit, and it does help. Try it on a small branch first just to get a feel for it. Bigger woody branches may have a tendency to break.

The plant does look awesome!! may need to put some lights on the bottom though because when she fills out aint no light gonna penetrate through the Concordonian Rain Forest!!!

I am glad to hear of the free seeds at herbies, I was thinking of sweet talking the ole lady into letting me buy some and now I see this :wall: I have so much going on now, I would never get 'em cycled in. I also want to make colloidal silver out of some silver I have here to make some fem seeds. Man at all the choices!!!
no you havent gumball, guess i'll have to go back and find some stuff on the super cropping deal then, i gotta do something, this thing is huge. yeah, i was happy to see this to, funny there giving away the 2 i just grew, LoL. getting ready to order my auto's soon.

heres grassy on day 65, she looks great but she's to big for the box for sure, i just didnt have a choice to keep vegging her for so long, oh well. i'll do some research on this super cropping and figure something out. i have plans for side lighting, that will happen real soon, i did just order 4 more light extenders also, should be here the middle of next week.
 

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gumball

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they also have some nice videos on the net on how to super crop, if you do plan to do it.

grassy is looking a little flowery too, very nice!!
 

HippySmoke

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I've been supercropping since I was a boy sticking plants in the park to see what would happen and I gotta say along with LST there are must know techniques for any growers. After supercropping the internodal growth is reminescent of of LST. But it has a learning curve I will admit... just pinch thoroughly before ya bend bro!
 

homer371

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good advice hippysmoke. i remembered i tried supercropping (basically creating an elbow on a branch) with my first grow, and i totally snapped a stem off lol. so i've been weary of it ever since. but i guess it's a matter of pinching and rolling until you feel the stem can handle the sharp bend. for sure it seems like a good solution for grassy!
 

gumball

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I screwed up on one and half of it ripped while the other half remained together. You could see inside the stem, top and bottom. I tied it off for support and it has taken off. I super cropped 70% of my 18 or so plants and love it.
 

HippySmoke

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Yes there is a little bit of a learning curve to supercropping, but it is amazing stuff glad it's working out gumball! And like I said pinch like heck if ya must, depending on the width of the stem and the nutrient intake levels you can pinch till the bend over from gravity in some cases without ever worrying about it snapping.
 
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