600W C99 Organic Scrog

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
How are yours doing? Show sex yet? Post up a pic
IT'S A GIRL!! the two clones I took and through into flower have hairs. Went to Tahoe for the weekend and when we got back the first thing I noticed was the two clones had hairs.

My scrog is damn near completely full. I already broke a couple stalks trying to get them under control. So instead of fucking up the plant anymore trying to keep her low.. i did a rez change tonight with half strength nutes but added 1ml of Bushmaster to help control the amount of stretch.. Tomorrow i'll do another rez change with normal nutes and then the following rez change i'll add 1ml of Bushmaster again. I think with this approach the stretch will be at a minimum.

Damn, the three of us should be having a C99 pow wow at the end of our grows. :joint:
 

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
First, from each of my 2 clones confirming the sex as a female..

Clone 1 hairs
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Clone 2 hairs
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And the BEAST!
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You can see my two clones bottom left of the first Beast pic.

24" x 30" scrog at the breaking point
53 days of Veg, 7th day of flower.

Damn I guess that means I need too start a grow log.. Phuck. I did say that once I knew if the plant was a girl I would start one.. Do I half too? I like posting on your's and puff's.
 

GreatDane

Active Member
Damn I guess that means I need too start a grow log.. Phuck. I did say that once I knew if the plant was a girl I would start one.. Do I half too? I like posting on your's and puff's.
You did say that didn't you? :-P Even though mine are not as far along, there are 4 C99 grows going on in here. Would love to follow your progress if you start one, if not, post away in mine if you want. We are kind of in this together anyway.
 

Mechanical

Well-Known Member
Holy Jesus man. That is gonna be fucking full after the stretch! How much room do you have for the stretch above the screen cause you are gonna need a lot? Is there any room left to train under the screen?
 

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
I don't have too much headroom, The bucket is on a stand so that I could drain the bucket easier. I probably made the stand a little too tall. Something tells me i'm gona be tying the stems to the scrog from the top side with twist ties or something. lol. it will depend on how well the Bushmaster limits the stretch.
 

Thundercat

Well-Known Member
Have you used the bushmaster before? I was following a grow a few years ago and the guy used it on half his room and not on the other half. It stopped all stretch form happening, but that whole side hermied.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
bushmaster is this...

Plant Growth Regulators Poison Marijuana

GORE MARCH 3, 2012 39

Recently Rambo posted an article titled 7 problems with tall marijuana plants where he mentioned plant growth regulators (PGR). Some of these chemicals are in fact poisonous and have been banned for use on food crops in most civilized countries. Despite the known dangers of these products they are still used under license by the USDA on ornamental crops. The use of these PGRs are visible in many ornamental species available at nursery and garden stores, explaining why you find Azaleas and Zinnias blooming at 3 inches tall.
Regulations for fertilizer labeling in the USA is strict but varies from state to state. Despite these regulations, formulators are not always required to list every ingredient in their products; these recipes are protected as “trade secrets”. For this reason formulators have been allowed to market known toxins to unsuspecting farmers for some time. Fortunately a formal inquiry conducted by the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has revealed the truth behind these insidious products. The CDFA tested several products, and the findings have since been made public, thanks, in part to the Freedom of Information Act. Below is a summary of the lab results, to view the full report simply click the product name.
(PDF Links will open in new window)
Bushmaster
: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
Recall Notice
So the secret is out. These guys have been marketing poison to the marijuana growing community for years and have been getting away with it. Lets take a look at some of the ridiculous claims and out right lies made by these not so reputable vendors.
Here is the sales pitch used by Emerald Triangle’s marketing department to sell their product called “Gravity”:
“Our uniquely prepared kelp extract and phosphorus based additive will harden your flowers from the top to the bottom. A little goes a long way. Use once or twice about 3 weeks before the end of a plant’s cycle. Adds size and weight to flowering plants.”
Thanks to the CDFA report, we now know that Gravity is in fact a PGR called Paclobutrazol. This chemical retards internode length and reduces maturation time significantly. When used on marijuana, this results in tighter flowering tops that can be harvested earlier. This has made Gravity an attractive fertilizer additive to many unsuspecting growers.
The makers of Phosphoload, Dutch Masters market their product with these out-right lies;
“Dutch Master PhosphoLoad utilizes a new technology which extracts unique isolates from coal derived humates. These are powerful earth elements that unlock the floodgates for a fast & powerful flowering response. When used, PhosphoLoad produces dramatically larger and heavier yields of flowers with an average yield increase of 25 to 30%.”
While Phosphoload may contain “powerful earth elements” it also includes; 17,800ppm Daminozide and 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol. These two dangerous chemicals are not approved for crops intended for human consumption, and should never be used for growing medicine.
Products known to contain Paclobutrazol and Daminozide have been banned for sale in California and Oregon but are still readily available through Internet distributors, and who knows how much is still in the hands of marijuana growers. In truth this regional ban will have very little effect on the availability if these PGRs. The good news for users of medical cannabis is that companies now offer testing for these dangerous chemicals. SC Laboratory’s in Santa Cruz California is one of these companies currently testing PGR’s in medical marijuana.

Daminozide


IUPAC name: N-(Dimethylamino)succinamic acid
Molecular formula: C[SUB]6[/SUB]N[SUB]2[/SUB]H[SUB]12[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]
Commercial trade names: Alar, Kylar, B-NINE, DMASA, SADH, B 995
Consumer Products: Flower Dragon, Top Load, Phosphoload
Daminozide has been shown to promote early fruit set, blossom set, and enhance color in apples, tomatoes, grapes, stone fruit and ornamental plants.
Daminozide was approved for sale in the USA in 1963 and was popularized by apple farmers until 1989 when it was nearly banned by the FDA as a suspected carcinogen. At that time it’s manufacturer Uniroyal Chemical Company withdrew it from the market for use on food crops but continued to offer it for use on ornamental plants. That same year the television program 60 minutes featured a segment outlining concerns of the use of Daminozide and cancer causing apples. This created a terrified public that refused to buy apples resulting in a law suit filed by apple producers against CBS, NRDC and Fenton Communications for 100 million dollars in damages.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) currently lists Daminozide as a probable human carcinogen. At present, further testing is required to clarify how dangerous it really is.
Paclobutrazol


IUPAC name: (2S,3S)-1-(4-chlorophenyl)-4,4-dimethyl-2-(1,2,4-triazol-1-yl)pentan-3-ol
Molecular Formula: C[SUB]15[/SUB]H[SUB]20[/SUB]ClN[SUB]3[/SUB]O
Commercial Trade names: Cultar, Astar, Bonzi, Clipper, Holdfost, Klipper, MET, Parlay, PP333
Consumer products: Bushmaster, Gravity, Phosphoload, Flower Dragon
Paclobutrazol retards plant growth by inhibiting the plants natural production of natural growth hormones called Gibberellins. This results in shorter internode length, greater root development, early fruit set, enhanced fruit set, and a reduction in frost sensitivity. Paclobutrazol is also marketed as a fungicide
Paclobutrazol is banned in most European countries while the US EPA lists it as “Moderately Hazardous” and states, “This substance has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA’s IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential”. At this time it appears that Paclobutrazol has not been banned but has no food use registrations in the USA.
I encourage readers to investigate the use of PGRs in greater detail. It’s important to understand that these chemicals dramatically alter the natural behaviour of plants. PGR’s in comparable doses used different plant species can have very different effects. The exact biology of some of these complex hormone-like interactions is still under study. It’s possible that we will never fully understand the effects of PGRs on produce intended for consumption via combustion.




 

GreatDane

Active Member
Holy Crap, that is some great information. Thanks for the post. A & C, if you didn't see Kite's post in my thread, you can control stretch by using low P ferts.


bushmaster is this...

Plant Growth Regulators Poison Marijuana

GORE MARCH 3, 2012 39

Recently Rambo posted an article titled 7 problems with tall marijuana plants where he mentioned plant growth regulators (PGR). Some of these chemicals are in fact poisonous and have been banned for use on food crops in most civilized countries. Despite the known dangers of these products they are still used under license by the USDA on ornamental crops. The use of these PGRs are visible in many ornamental species available at nursery and garden stores, explaining why you find Azaleas and Zinnias blooming at 3 inches tall.
Regulations for fertilizer labeling in the USA is strict but varies from state to state. Despite these regulations, formulators are not always required to list every ingredient in their products; these recipes are protected as “trade secrets”. For this reason formulators have been allowed to market known toxins to unsuspecting farmers for some time. Fortunately a formal inquiry conducted by the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has revealed the truth behind these insidious products. The CDFA tested several products, and the findings have since been made public, thanks, in part to the Freedom of Information Act. Below is a summary of the lab results, to view the full report simply click the product name.
(PDF Links will open in new window)
Bushmaster
: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
Recall Notice
So the secret is out. These guys have been marketing poison to the marijuana growing community for years and have been getting away with it. Lets take a look at some of the ridiculous claims and out right lies made by these not so reputable vendors.
Here is the sales pitch used by Emerald Triangle’s marketing department to sell their product called “Gravity”:
“Our uniquely prepared kelp extract and phosphorus based additive will harden your flowers from the top to the bottom. A little goes a long way. Use once or twice about 3 weeks before the end of a plant’s cycle. Adds size and weight to flowering plants.”
Thanks to the CDFA report, we now know that Gravity is in fact a PGR called Paclobutrazol. This chemical retards internode length and reduces maturation time significantly. When used on marijuana, this results in tighter flowering tops that can be harvested earlier. This has made Gravity an attractive fertilizer additive to many unsuspecting growers.
The makers of Phosphoload, Dutch Masters market their product with these out-right lies;
“Dutch Master PhosphoLoad utilizes a new technology which extracts unique isolates from coal derived humates. These are powerful earth elements that unlock the floodgates for a fast & powerful flowering response. When used, PhosphoLoad produces dramatically larger and heavier yields of flowers with an average yield increase of 25 to 30%.”
While Phosphoload may contain “powerful earth elements” it also includes; 17,800ppm Daminozide and 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol. These two dangerous chemicals are not approved for crops intended for human consumption, and should never be used for growing medicine.
Products known to contain Paclobutrazol and Daminozide have been banned for sale in California and Oregon but are still readily available through Internet distributors, and who knows how much is still in the hands of marijuana growers. In truth this regional ban will have very little effect on the availability if these PGRs. The good news for users of medical cannabis is that companies now offer testing for these dangerous chemicals. SC Laboratory’s in Santa Cruz California is one of these companies currently testing PGR’s in medical marijuana.

Daminozide


IUPAC name: N-(Dimethylamino)succinamic acid
Molecular formula: C[SUB]6[/SUB]N[SUB]2[/SUB]H[SUB]12[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]
Commercial trade names: Alar, Kylar, B-NINE, DMASA, SADH, B 995
Consumer Products: Flower Dragon, Top Load, Phosphoload
Daminozide has been shown to promote early fruit set, blossom set, and enhance color in apples, tomatoes, grapes, stone fruit and ornamental plants.
Daminozide was approved for sale in the USA in 1963 and was popularized by apple farmers until 1989 when it was nearly banned by the FDA as a suspected carcinogen. At that time it’s manufacturer Uniroyal Chemical Company withdrew it from the market for use on food crops but continued to offer it for use on ornamental plants. That same year the television program 60 minutes featured a segment outlining concerns of the use of Daminozide and cancer causing apples. This created a terrified public that refused to buy apples resulting in a law suit filed by apple producers against CBS, NRDC and Fenton Communications for 100 million dollars in damages.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) currently lists Daminozide as a probable human carcinogen. At present, further testing is required to clarify how dangerous it really is.
Paclobutrazol


IUPAC name: (2S,3S)-1-(4-chlorophenyl)-4,4-dimethyl-2-(1,2,4-triazol-1-yl)pentan-3-ol
Molecular Formula: C[SUB]15[/SUB]H[SUB]20[/SUB]ClN[SUB]3[/SUB]O
Commercial Trade names: Cultar, Astar, Bonzi, Clipper, Holdfost, Klipper, MET, Parlay, PP333
Consumer products: Bushmaster, Gravity, Phosphoload, Flower Dragon
Paclobutrazol retards plant growth by inhibiting the plants natural production of natural growth hormones called Gibberellins. This results in shorter internode length, greater root development, early fruit set, enhanced fruit set, and a reduction in frost sensitivity. Paclobutrazol is also marketed as a fungicide
Paclobutrazol is banned in most European countries while the US EPA lists it as “Moderately Hazardous” and states, “This substance has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA’s IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential”. At this time it appears that Paclobutrazol has not been banned but has no food use registrations in the USA.
I encourage readers to investigate the use of PGRs in greater detail. It’s important to understand that these chemicals dramatically alter the natural behaviour of plants. PGR’s in comparable doses used different plant species can have very different effects. The exact biology of some of these complex hormone-like interactions is still under study. It’s possible that we will never fully understand the effects of PGRs on produce intended for consumption via combustion.




 

GreatDane

Active Member
Holy Jesus man. That is gonna be fucking full after the stretch! How much room do you have for the stretch above the screen cause you are gonna need a lot? Is there any room left to train under the screen?
I have never tried a scrog grow but would like to try one at some point. Do you have room to mount another pvc frame on top of the existing one for the stretch? That would give it all somewhere to go if you could.
 

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
Thanks Kite for the Info. I'll somehow dispose of this product now. I do have a friend that used it regularly on his grow, which he supplied to multiple dispensaries.. and never did any test results come back as a negative. But if it's a healthier decision to not use it.. then I'll find other means to control the stretch.
 

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
GD, I don't think i need to extend the PVC pipe any higher.. I do have plant stakes attached now to each corner of the PVC and have netting going across to help support the plant once she's taller and full of bud.. which was my original plan.. but this obviously wont stop the stretch. I have 11" from the top of my light hangers to the top tent poles. (Glad I got an 84" tall tent) And the stand that the bucket sits on is 17.5" tall. So if I had too I could take 10" of the stand or just remove it all together. So I got some room to play with, just not much. It would just be a hell of a lot harder to drain the bucket since it drains from the bottom. The Bottom drain is sooo much easier though.. Turn the valve and let it empty. The other method.. hand pump the water out each time, such a drag. And the downside to screwing with the stand is i would half to completely cut out the scrog in order to make changes, and risk the chance of fucking up my plant. My other option would be to just dimm my ballast from full 600 watts to 450, that way the plant could get closer and it still not be affected. just be a bummer to not finish this out at a full 600W. But I'll do what ever it takes.

pics to illustrate dilemna
17.5 tall stand that DWC bucket sits on.
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Drain on bottom of DWC for easy draining into spare bucket.
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Example: Turn valve, walk away and come back in a few minutes to an empty DWC.
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GD, you can see the netting just above the clip on fan on the left side.
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lmao, when i did my rez change tonight. i noticed i got roots growing in my drain tube.. I knew this was gona happen.. atleast i know they are white and clean.. lol

Sorry to hijack the thread guys.. my bad.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Thanks Kite for the Info. I'll somehow dispose of this product now. I do have a friend that used it regularly on his grow, which he supplied to multiple dispensaries.. and never did any test results come back as a negative. But if it's a healthier decision to not use it.. then I'll find other means to control the stretch.
lower your light on temps at the flip 10F lower than lights off temps for the first 3 hours lights on til the stretch is over...feed very little if any P til after the stretch if at all...BLUE LIGHT

Don't know if it is really bad for you but why chance it you know?
 

Dede7

Member
A little update.....I watered Dr. Quinn and Medicine Woman last night, Mechanical instructed me to put 2 tbsp of molasses per gallon so I did. I wish I had pics but I had to delete them from my phone, and now the lights are off. I'll post some in the am... Can anyone tell me how molasses helps? Not that it's too important but I'd like to know just for my own weed-growing knowledge ;)
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
Sorry Dede but I do not use molasses anymore (as in many many years ago I tried it) as I found it to block N and was a PIA. It is supposed by some that it feeds the germs in the soil which increases their population and thereby the plant receives more nutrients due to the increase in germ population. Myself I believe it makes the water sweet and that is it. Also that seems to be too much but it is his grow and I am not putting it down just expressing my experiences with it and opinion. Hope it helps.
 

GreatDane

Active Member
Dede, Blackstrap molasses is a way to get calcium, magnesium, and iron into the soil. It is the remains of the third boiling of cane sugar and has very little sugar in it. It is a natural way of getting the minerals to the plants during flowering and some growers swear by it; although it looks like Kite swears at it. :-P I have mostly heard 1 Tbsp per gallon, but as Kite says, it's Mechanical's grow and he knows what he's doing. I'm glad that you're enjoying yourself and think you should put the knowledge that your getting into a grow yourself sometime. :)
 

GreatDane

Active Member
A&C I couldn't open the attachment for some reason. I'm glad that you have something above the screen to attach everything to and it sounds like you have a way to keep it under control. It will just take some time and patience keeping it orderly. Mechanical, I too hope that the back and forth on your thread is O.K.
 

Thundercat

Well-Known Member
I'm with Kite on the molasses but everyone needs to determine whats best for them, and thats what mechanical is doing for himself.

Edit:I wanted to add that though I don't think it does much unless in just the right soil conditions, I also don't think it will hurt anything at all which is why I usually suggest people go ahead and try stuff.
 

Adam & Cola

Well-Known Member
GD..
A&C I couldn't open the attachment for some reason. I'm glad that you have something above the screen to attach everything to and it sounds like you have a way to keep it under control. It will just take some time and patience keeping it orderly. Mechanical, I too hope that the back and forth on your thread is O.K.
RIU had the picture up there originally when i first made the post.. but now it doesn't show. I don't get it.. fricken PITA. (Pain In The Ass) Sorry.

I'm up in the air still for molasses.. I would say it's 50-50 good bad, right wrong or indifferent. But from what i've read and agree with GD on is that it's usually 1tbsp a gallon.
I guess it depends on the specific use.. "Microbe tea or sweetner"
 
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