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4tatude said:

1st week updates
iv brought the nutes up to 800.
im experiencing some signs of lock out from the first couple of days when i got everything so out of whack.
growth has been good with the 5 like girls but olive oil is totally different, wonder if this is something else?
i hope some of you experienced growers will chime in and let me know what you think.




and here is olive oil making me tie her down already. oo has totally different structure as well as leaf than her room mates. anyone care to guess what she is?

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Are you sure you have sufficient pressure at the sprayheads? Overall - looks like they could use more water? If they aren't getting the water they need, they aren't getting the feed they need. I'm just wondering... I have done many runs in SB style setup and any time I ever saw a droopy or wrinkled leaf was when water delivery was not sufficient -- over time, even with RO, the sprayheads will clog due to calcium buildup, etc. Understand, one of the big advantages of aeroponics, NFT, DWC, and similar type units is you always have the perfect VPD; water and air is available in abundance (assuming your res temps are within spec). In soil, coco, peat, etc mixes, the plant is constantly balancing the available water and air in the medium to keep itself upright and maintain a proper VPD. So if your plants seem to be short on nutes, limpin' a little, or just less than perky, in a water system this could be due to lack of water at the rootzone. (assuming environment, water temps, reasonable nute strength and ph, are all in check).

The leaf damage looks like a general def... though it could be CalMag. If you are following the original SB guide and using RO - and mixing your nutes in a jug and then adding them to your res to the desired PPM using RO water - you will naturally be low on CalMag. The Botanicare PB Pro line relies on CalMag if using low PPM water. A better way to do the Stink System is to mix all the nutes except the CalMag with a gallon of RO. After filling your res, before adding your concentrated nute mix, add CalMag to 125 - 200ppm, then add your concentrated nute mix to your desired PPM. This way, you will always have the proper amount of CalMag - regardless of your target PPM strength.

LionsRoar
first of all thanks for dropin in and sharing your knoweledge, its much appreciated

RE: the wilt. the water pressure and coverage was and is plenty, was one of the first things i checked, the environment on the other hand was whacked for like two days between the ph too high, or low.also i had to make a res change with only tap water as i had messed up all my filtered to the point it was a necesity rather than a need. the wilt was only the last of first week and first of second, about the same time i fubbed up the ph. like 5 or 6 days this went on then they just popped out of it and np since. sounds like you nailed that one with the environment being outa whack.

the def has also straightened itself out but i did add some additional cal mag to the orig mix, just bumped it up like 50ppms in the total res. i will take your advice and run the cal mag to 150-200 in res prior to adding nute mix, sound like solid advice.

i love this aero system and do agree it provides everything a plant could need but it does take some monitoring to make sure things stay within boundries. i truly believe all my problems have been self induced and mostly newbee mistakes like not willing to quit fuckin with it when nothing is wrong. since i messed up bad that first week its been a smooth ride and im very proud of my sucess so far. Knock on wood!! lions roar check back in from time to time and share some of that knoledge if you see something, its the only way us newbees really learn other than trial and error.

BIG THANKS!!!

lions roar
thanks on the comp on the aero/nft, i thought it would be problem free, and has with a couple mods. i did have to change the return from my orig mod as for whatever reason the 3/4 return line could not keep up with the input. acted like it was vaccume locked or the venting required for proper drainage was not available. it needed a quick fix and i desighed a diaper lol to collect the runoff out of a short pc of post and caps. just notched like a log cabin and attached with zip ties. i used a 2" pvc male addaptor to penetrate the bulkdead and attached a short pc of flex to it using a clamp and dumped into the res. as the unit has a 3/4in drop to the drain i had to run a bead of dap on the lower side to keep a little dribble from escaping. i think these mods almost totally elimate light reaching the nutes and possably causing problems. i also set unit up 180% from original positioning to have access to the drain end if needed. i further enhanced the framework with coasters, makes moving around a breeze. and i think the scrog frame work is tits lol

4tatude said:

LionsRoar
first of all thanks for dropin in and sharing your knoweledge, its much appreciated

RE: the wilt. the water pressure and coverage was and is plenty, was one of the first things i checked, the environment on the other hand was whacked for like two days between the ph too high, or low.also i had to make a res change with only tap water as i had messed up all my filtered to the point it was a necesity rather than a need. the wilt was only the last of first week and first of second, about the same time i fubbed up the ph. like 5 or 6 days this went on then they just popped out of it and np since. sounds like you nailed that one with the environment being outa whack.

the def has also straightened itself out but i did add some additional cal mag to the orig mix, just bumped it up like 50ppms in the total res. i will take your advice and run the cal mag to 150-200 in res prior to adding nute mix, sound like solid advice.

i love this aero system and do agree it provides everything a plant could need but it does take some monitoring to make sure things stay within boundries. i truly believe all my problems have been self induced and mostly newbee mistakes like not willing to quit fuckin with it when nothing is wrong. since i messed up bad that first week its been a smooth ride and im very proud of my sucess so far. Knock on wood!! lions roar check back in from time to time and share some of that knoledge if you see something, its the only way us newbees really learn other than trial and error.

BIG THANKS!!!

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No worries. Your setup is great - glad to hear you are having fun! The SB method is a sound one. I too am looking forward to doing another Stink run here soon.

In the meantime, I'll get my SB fix from you!

4tatude said:

lions roar
thanks on the comp on the aero/nft, i thought it would be problem free, and has with a couple mods. i did have to change the return from my orig mod as for whatever reason the 3/4 return line could not keep up with the input. acted like it was vaccume locked or the venting required for proper drainage was not available. it needed a quick fix and i desighed a diaper lol to collect the runoff out of a short pc of post and caps. just notched like a log cabin and attached with zip ties. i used a 2" pvc male addaptor to penetrate the bulkdead and attached a short pc of flex to it using a clamp and dumped into the res. as the unit has a 3/4in drop to the drain i had to run a bead of dap on the lower side to keep a little dribble from escaping. i think these mods almost totally elimate light reaching the nutes and possably causing problems. i also set unit up 180% from original positioning to have access to the drain end if needed. i enhanced the framework with coasters, makes moving around a breeze. and i think the scrog frame work is tits lol
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You called it: Gardening is all about adapting, changing, and making it work. Great work, my friend!

found this cool chart showing at what ph nutes are best used, i kinda looked over but havent taken the time to really read it. thought it might come in usefull so i hijacked and posted here, where i can fn find it again. whats protocoll for borrowing from others .?

ok dez profile album now how to import pics and get them to size. got a couple im determined to get in large, help a newbee out!!

grumbling and growling as i pick up my club and drag the bitch back to the cave by the hair of the head.

Never seen that chart before...now I understand why a PH of 5.8 in hydro is so Important. Good info. Thanks!!

mel glad you dropped in, your plants are gona be huge when you flip. over a period of time ive run across several dif pcs of info i wish i had kept. so much for a newbee to remember without keeping reference material. this chart explains and confirms what lions roar was saying about my lock out in the early stages of veg. i will try and post other worthwhile information as i find it. glad it has helped someone else..

im not quite sure of protocol re: borrowing and posting info from other sites etc but if i post anything that others find usefull i give permission to cut and paste to wherever they please.

OK so yesterday was flip day. the girls are jumping with growth and are getting hard to controll vertical height. i think they will fill out the 3x4 screen very well at this time. it has been a month to the day they were introduced to the aero/nft for veg out of clone. its not a great pic but here is one that shows the fairley even top.

i know the humidity is a little high but this was just before lights on and i havent been running the fan during lights out. i now have the ventilation running 24/7 on a low exchange. the last few days the garage has been smelling like a grow room untill the lights and filtered air kicks on. really didnt expect that much smell outa veg, cant wait to stick my nose in a room full of bud!!!!

IM HAVING SOOOO MUCH FUN !!!!!!!!

here are some some pics of how i shaped the branching and the results




fishing weights in diferent weights come in handy to manipulate diferent size branches. good thing i like to fish and had these

looks great man. i got a question r u vegging or already in flower? the thing i wanted to know when u shape those does it add time on to the cycle or is it done in veg? nice work bro

ok so i know i said i was not going to look in on the clones for 5 days, well i could not take it any longer and so @ 4 days i had to look. i cant tell you how hard it was to not look...



i know they are nothing special to most of you, but to me they are beautifull. two of these were not cuttings but accidents where i broke a couple of branches when i was adding weights. i put them in a small jar of water in the tent, and there they stayed untill i cut the clones 3 days later and put them all in the cloner. anyway im stoked that all seem to be doing great.

hay mongo
i flipped into flower yesterday so all you see has been done in veg.

no it doesnt add to cycle time thats genetically built into the plant to finish at xtime under xlight hours +/- a few days given their environmental conditions

i plan to continue for about 14 days into flower (once flowers are seen, not flipping of light) or there about. that will allow me to spread the bud sites out so each will get good light and also allow the smaller bud sites that would normally be dwarfed/shaded by the more mature ones to establish a good foundation. in a perfect world i would like to stop where final stretch is no more than 12 inches above scrog screen giving good size to buds and an even canopy. too tall and ill loose light penetration of canopy and quality as well as quantity. it will take diligance to keep all the folage below the screen but every other day, possably 3 should manage. ive also broken the stronger limbs to the side with no ill effects, i think ist called supercropping. ive also had to hang weights on the limbs i broke over as they seem to try and mend themselves and go back to where they were. the part i dread will be trimming the undergrowth and deciding which sites to remove for best bud production, i might not mind bending and tieing down but cutting is hard.

this is all new to me so dont take my word for gospel, im sure what ive done will not work for everyone but im having a ball finding out what i can do with these girls lol

just finished up giving the girls a manicure. you know how it is, when the band starts up the girls start thinking of the opposite sex. im proud of my girls and want them to look good at the ball so i sat down and gave them all a manicure. i untangled the snarels in their leaves, and brushed and groomed them. then i removed the older going out leaves, the ones that are on the decline. i think that if left on too long they pull unnecesary nutes and energy that could be better used in bud site production and flowering. removed too early and you do almost the same thing, only removing the catalist that drives the plant instead of the anchor that slows it.

i have a little damage on the plant closest to the heater, exposure to too much heat had damaged a few leaves just above the heater. not a big deal everything else on the plant is healthy. this is a perfect example of a micro climate. i know were only talking about a few square feet total but it doesnt take acres to have a micro climate.

as a grower you controll every aspect of the plants world. if the girls are frowning you have to figure out why and fix it. too much, too little, sun, water, oxygen,o2, food,heat,and cooling. if you are aware and keep an eye on things you can anticipate their needs and provide, or take away whatever it is before it becomes a problem. my girls at this time have a smile ear to ear as do i.

can you tell i just had a couple rips on the old bong? i like to ramble a little now and then, these are my thoughts, wright or wrong. thats my story and im stickin to it

It seems you've got this under control my friend ...can't wait to see that screen full of !!!!

thanks mel

after looking last night during trim i really think i may have waited too long to flip, there are tons of branching going on in there. these girls will fill up the screen pritty fast i think

ok so what types of optics are available out there. im looking to get something thats user friendly and has good optics. i wear glasses so dont know if that makes a difference when you are looking. anyone got a favorite or know someone that has?

NICE WORK! I'm subscribed. That's an impressive setup you've built. Can't wait to see these ladies pushing out flowers! Also, great idea with the fishing sinkers.

welcome superponic and thanks. im excited about it too, they are on the way so hang around ill get a update in next day or two.
having some problems with some pics i lost or deleated lol im new to all this so learning curve is kinda long.
the weights came outa necesity, something was needed, and they were handy.they do work good, dif weights on dfferent size branches. can cold them at whatever level you want. use a short pce of bread tie to suspend fom branch. christmas ornament hooks would be perf but i dont have any, just a thought