7 days of dark. The final flush.

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OldLuck

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Why?? I guess because I have both. From the 1st time I have ordered seeds I have learned a lot about growing, breeders, and seedbanks. I have lots of different seeds to grow now, some are knockoff's (which I didn't know at the time) and some are cup winning genetics. I grow for myself only and will spend years trying new or different strains knockoff or not. If I don't grow each, would I truly know the difference between knockoff's and good genetics? Plus being the nub I am, I would much rather learn with knockoff's and then grow good genetics to the best of my environment. Every grow for a while, I will be changing my room trying to make it better for the plants. When I feel like I can grow plants like in the mags and like how most of you guys grow now, I will only be using good genetics. Then I will be able to give more of a honest opinion on knockoff's and cup genetics since I would have grown and smoked both. I'm sure some knockoff's are pretty good genetics to don't you think? Just asking because I am still very new to this. I love how you explain things brick top, I can't wait to learn more so you won't be talking over my head half the time. Thanks for all your imput.

Brick Top said:
Are you saying you will be growing both White Widow and Black Widow?

Why? Why would you want to grow a knockoff when you also plan to grow the original Cup winning genetics?

A number of years ago the original White Widow was renamed Black Widow by it's creator, Scott Blakey (AKA Shantibaba). Everything else, everything sold under the name White Widow (or anything sold under the name Black Widow but from a different breeder) is a fake, a fugazi, a knockoff.

If you meant you would be growing both White Widow and Black Widow, I would suggest dropping the White Widow and replacing it with another strain. Possibly Mr. Nice Seeds Medicine Man (the original White Rhino) or maybe Mr. Nice Seeds Shark Shock (the original Great White Shark) or Serious Seeds White Russian (that is if you want to remain in the 'White' family.)
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mccumcumber

mccumcumber

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To grow plants like they do in the "mags:"
1) Day time temps ~75
2) Night time temps ~60
3) Good reflective material (Mylar, titanium white, etc.)
4) Proper lighting for amount of space. There is such a thing as too much light and there is definitely such a thing as not enough. There are many threads here about lumen output, check them out.
5) Knowing your medium and being comfortable with it. (I prefer soil, however, going to give aquaponics a try some day)
6) Knowing your strain, grow something out two or three times and you'll get better at it each time.
7) Watering/feeding on a schedule. Know in advanced when you're going to water and how much you're going to water after experimenting the first round of growing a certain strain. Stick to regular watering and you will be happy.

For outdoor skip steps 1-4

Edit: They're listed in order of priority. As you can see nutrition is last, because in most cases less nutrition is more.
 
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jpill

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Harrekin said:
Are you a dum-dum or something? The 72 hours dark isn't something I made up, it was studied by an institute called SIMMs, why would they say to do 72 hours if a week was better?

And to the guy who say flush with organic nutes...how does the N,P & K differ chemically if it's organic or "chemical"? There's no sense in flushing, where do the "chemicals" go? They're not "used up", plants don't take a shit or excrete chemical elements, it uses them to build structures.
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I see your logic for not flushing, your saying the NPK elements don't stay with the end product, Its just hanging around in the soil correct? Well I do know that organics makes your cannabis taste better so i'm winning there.! So on my current crop, i'm going to rinse with organics for the last week and not last 2 weeks. I'm using air pots so i'll be able to water at least 3 times in 1 week.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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canniboss said:
Thanks for the informative post 5KJ. I am gonna try a variation on your technique in the next few weeks, I use a lot of the same nutes as you and have a couple nice NL5's at about 5 weeks flower. Don't worry about the haters, some people just lurk and wait and LURK waiting to pounce on any thread that says anything that might get a few hits and starts flaming in the hope that people will +rep his prickishness. And Yes! I knew you would guess that by some people I mean Harrekin
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Are you joking me? There's so many other people here agreeing with what I say, yet I alone am a prick.

I don't care about rep, (my bar is full anyways,lol) I have a girlfriend, as much as some people with no lives want to be a legend on the "gr0w forumz" I'd rather spend my time in real life.

What I do hate when I log on here is to see people spouting off foolish information to unwitting noobs. How many people have already been lead astray in this thread already?

But if you wanna live in a fantasy where not feeding a plant for 3 weeks up to harvest and then letting it sit in the dark for 7 days then cool, but you are a noob for thinking its beneficial.

It's like saying putting sugar in your gas tank makes your car run better, sure Iv never personally tried it myself, but I know for a fact it's a stupid thing to do.
 
cowboylogic

cowboylogic

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Why sweat it Harry? Noobs want an easy, magical way to grow sticky buds. God forbid they try the old, boring, tried and trued hoticultural methods that keep plants green and leafy until harvest. Green, healthy plants produce the best yields and stickiest buds, period.....
 
5000joints

5000joints

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cowboylogic said:
Why sweat it Harry? Noobs want an easy, magical way to grow sticky buds. God forbid they try the old, boring, tried and trued hoticultural methods that keep plants green and leafy until harvest. Green, healthy plants produce the best yields and stickiest buds, period.....
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REALLY? I grew for 3 years before trying this dark period/cold water/ flush technique.
I would flush my plants for a week. thats 3x before harvest.
I tried 2 weeks of flush and my weed burned much smoother, stayed lit, had white ash, and tasted perfect.
Once I couldnt use my Co2 at the new place ,I tried 2 weeks flushing and 3 days in the dark with the same cuttings of Purps, G-Force and Mango Ide been growing for years prior. I gained signifacant trichome girth the first time I did this.
Next harvest, I tried the 3 days of dark and cold water flushing. The bud was more potent than the last batch. The trichomes seemed alittle thicker too by eye and by scope.
The next harvest I left 4 Purps in the dark w/ cold flushes for 7 days. They came out exactly the same as the 3 days of dark/cold water flushing, BUT! They had 5% more amber trichomes than the last batch.

THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. I am not a newb looking for a quick magical experience to get sticky buds. Matter of fact, Im just the opposite. Only giving the plant what it needs when it needs it, Having the proper grow equipment, nutrients, medium, and all that stuff combined will give you good buds.

This technique I do works for me and Im sticking to it. 3 days of dark is ideal. 7 days of dark only degrades the THC a bit more so I get a few more amber trichomes. Thats it.
 
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Ganjagoddess421

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I'm new to the site, but not to growing. I have to say, while you're bud does look nice, it'd be bigger and better if you didn't starve it for 3 weeks.
 
5000joints

5000joints

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My equipment:
VEG ROOM - 600w MH w/ SolarMax Veg Conversion 7200*k w/ 55,000 lumens/ SunSystem 10 600w HPS ballast/ PXM-1 Power Expander / cieling fan for air movement.

FLOWER ROOM - 2 - 600w HPS lamps w/ Yield Master 2 Supreme 6" aircooled glass hoods w/ SunMaster HPS bulbs 90,000 lumens
PXM-1 Power Expander
Sentinal EVC-2 Environment controller
Sentinal CPPM-1 Co2 controller w/ propane tank and 6 burner Co2 generator that combines with the EVC-2
Air conditioner for summer
6" Inline Fan intake for winter
Can Filter 66 w/ 6" High Output Can-Fan.
Humidifier
6" duct work going from the Can Filter through both lights and outside.
EZ-CLONE 120 SITE w/ 2 tube 4' shoplight w/ soft blue grow bulbs. Customized w/ better stronger air pump and water stones.
I have rolls of mylar, over 200 nursery pots of various sizes, tarps, tape, Nutrients of all sorts, and on and on and on.....
Ive been growing for 6 years now with the finest genetics available. Ive not got one complaint. Im the go to guy for the best nugz and the best growing information when my fellow growers need advice.

SO TELL ME THERE COWBOY, WHO'S A NEWB?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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5000joints said:
REALLY? I grew for 3 years before trying this dark period/cold water/ flush technique.
I would flush my plants for a week. thats 3x before harvest.
I tried 2 weeks of flush and my weed burned much smoother, stayed lit, had white ash, and tasted perfect.
Once I couldnt use my Co2 at the new place ,I tried 2 weeks flushing and 3 days in the dark with the same cuttings of Purps, G-Force and Mango Ide been growing for years prior. I gained signifacant trichome girth the first time I did this.
Next harvest, I tried the 3 days of dark and cold water flushing. The bud was more potent than the last batch. The trichomes seemed alittle thicker too by eye and by scope.
The next harvest I left 4 Purps in the dark w/ cold flushes for 7 days. They came out exactly the same as the 3 days of dark/cold water flushing, BUT! They had 5% more amber trichomes than the last batch.

THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. I am not a newb looking for a quick magical experience to get sticky buds. Matter of fact, Im just the opposite. Only giving the plant what it needs when it needs it, Having the proper grow equipment, nutrients, medium, and all that stuff combined will give you good buds.

This technique I do works for me and Im sticking to it. 3 days of dark is ideal. 7 days of dark only degrades the THC a bit more so I get a few more amber trichomes. Thats it.
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If you want amber trics just harvest the fucking thing, alot of them turn amber during the dry and cure anyways.

Oh and if you want amber trics, you're LOWERING your THC % not making it higher.


You can claim all the equipment you have makes you experienced, but any idiot with a big enough wallet can buy all that crap, doesn't mean you have even the vaguest clue how to use it properly.
 
cowboylogic

cowboylogic

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5000joints said:
This is for organic and semi-organic soils only.
I flush my girls for the last 14 days with 3x the volume of semi-cold water per pot. EXAMPLE: 3 gal. pots get 9 gal. of semi-cold pure unPH'ed water.
(If its a 10 week strain, start the flush at week 8. Then the dark/ice cold water technique at week 10 to bring it to 11 weeks before harvesting.)
Then put them in complete darkness for 7 days and begin to flush with ICE COLD WATER. This will shock the plants root system which triggers the plant to protect itself by pushing out as many trichomes as it possibly can.
Flush with ICE COLD WATER on day 1, 4, and 6.
On the 6th day, flush 1 more time in the morning and take off any fan leaves or little leaves by hand or with scissors. But they should just snap right off pulling downwards. This just helps make it easier the next morning.
The next morning, HARVEST. Just chop the girls at the base of the main stalk near the soil line. Hang upside down and trim away. I like to use my shower curtain rod to hang my freshly harvested girls on with trash bags in the tub and floor to catch the suger leaf trim. (I hate hairs in my trim. This helps).
PIC 1 - Great White Shark. Bottom bud. After the dark/cold water technique.
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5000joints said:
REALLY? I grew for 3 years before trying this dark period/cold water/ flush technique.
I would flush my plants for a week. thats 3x before harvest.
I tried 2 weeks of flush and my weed burned much smoother, stayed lit, had white ash, and tasted perfect.
Once I couldnt use my Co2 at the new place ,I tried 2 weeks flushing and 3 days in the dark with the same cuttings of Purps, G-Force and Mango Ide been growing for years prior. I gained signifacant trichome girth the first time I did this.
Next harvest, I tried the 3 days of dark and cold water flushing. The bud was more potent than the last batch. The trichomes seemed alittle thicker too by eye and by scope.
The next harvest I left 4 Purps in the dark w/ cold flushes for 7 days. They came out exactly the same as the 3 days of dark/cold water flushing, BUT! They had 5% more amber trichomes than the last batch.

THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. I am not a newb looking for a quick magical experience to get sticky buds. Matter of fact, Im just the opposite. Only giving the plant what it needs when it needs it, Having the proper grow equipment, nutrients, medium, and all that stuff combined will give you good buds.

This technique I do works for me and Im sticking to it. 3 days of dark is ideal. 7 days of dark only degrades the THC a bit more so I get a few more amber trichomes. Thats it.
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So its gone from creating more resin in the first post to now just a more ripe plant. Its your technique and you cannot even make your own mind up how it works. Yet many will blindly follow.....
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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Harrekin said:
If you want amber trics just harvest the fucking thing, alot of them turn amber during the dry and cure anyways.

Oh and if you want amber trics, you're LOWERING your THC % not making it higher.


You can claim all the equipment you have makes you experienced, but any idiot with a big enough wallet can buy all that crap, doesn't mean you have even the vaguest clue how to use it properly.
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I dont usually agree with this dude but he is right. THC is at its highest point when the trichs are cloudy. Amber trichs means that the THC is breaking down to CBD.
 
5000joints

5000joints

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I was simple explaining the differance between 3 days of dark and 7. thats all.
3 days of dark and cold water thicken up the trichs alot.
4 more days of dark wont give you more trich action only helps amber them up a bit.

I do 7 days. 3 days is adeal for most growers.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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mccumcumber said:
That's really interesting, do you happen to remember what the article was called? I'd like to give that a read.
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I wish I still had the link. I used to have near countless links to various research studies and findings, growing articles of all types etc. but lost them all in a cascading hard drive failure.

I should have copied the all the information, or at least the links, to disc, but I didn't and it cost me a vast amount of very good information.
 
5000joints

5000joints

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Brick Top said:
I wish I still had the link. I used to have near countless links to various research studies and findings, growing articles of all types etc. but lost them all in a cascading hard drive failure.

I should have copied the all the information, or at least the links, to disc, but I didn't and it cost me a vast amount of very good information.
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You know BrickTop. Dont even bother. These are just little kids growing in a small closet in there mommies house. There just trying to start a fight because of the safety of hiding behind there computers. Harreknuckle and Cowgirl arent even worth the time and effort. Im done with this thread. I said what I had to in the first post to try and help someone who is ready to advance to a higher level of horticulture. Thanks for all your replies Brick. I appreciate you as a person with character.
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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OldLuck said:
Why?? I guess because I have both.
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Since you already have both, I will admit that you have a rather valid reason for growing both.

If I might ask, whose knockoff White Widow did you pick?


Plus being the nub I am, I would much rather learn with knockoff's and then grow good genetics to the best of my environment.
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Lots of newer growers think the same way but I look at things a bit different. There are true quality strains out there from quality breeders and they are inexpensive because their names have some dust on them now and because they would only it into the medium-high potency range. But working with better genetics is better way to learn. I have known people, and read others online, who went lower dollar or went the knockoff route and ended up with hermies and other problems and drove themselves mad trying to figure out where they made some error or errors, when it was actually just the genetics they picked.

One strain I often suggest to someone new is Sensi Seeds Skunk #1. You can't find an easier strain to grow, it yields well, is in the medium-high range in potency, is stable and comes from a quality breeder. And if that's not enough it is inexpensive. Depending on if someone wanted feminized seeds or regular you can get five feminized seeds for roughly $32.00 and ten regular seeds for roughly ten dollars more.

Considering what you get for your money, you can't find a better value in that price range.
 
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