75 watts vs 7 Gallons

Awesome set up man just heading to work will be reading when done!!! SUBD!!!!

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Awesome set up man just heading to work will be reading when done!!! SUBD!!!!

Good Luck!!

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Glad to have you along for the ride.

So the prototype plant has been flowering for about 4 weeks, tonight I will get to see how she's doing after being reintroduced to the flowering cabinet. My auto-flowering cheese dreams was moved into the flowering room, she's pushing past 90 days and I'm guessing that about 2.5 weeks in flowering will remain even in 12.5-11.5. The cheddarwurst2 has some of the best small-scale modular SCROG potential I've ever seen. There are very unique phenotype expressions among the children, and with support they are unmatched in Dank:Yield ratios. This will be my new way of growing for yield when I don't want to veg as long, lean them over train to a reasonable number of tops, and throw them into flowering after about 23 days of veg from clone. I like to mainline now, so it's kind of a way of training that is just as meticulous. Symmetry is great, but with proper training and support you can expect nearly as high a yield ratio on a smaller time scale. Right now I'm working on turning these XL moving crates into an airsmart pots. A little bit of high quality landscape fabric can go a long way.

Tonight I'm going to install some supports. Damn she's making me a proud grower, really all of my things are doing well for once. Poor Spectras, if only they were used with like 200W of white leds per 435w of spectra(390 of light 45 of internal cooling). My main room has been running at ~590 watts of light, but last night the T-12's blew putting the room at 510W of light in a 5X6 . For now I replace bulbs, but in the future it is going to be replaced by an 90W LED; 3:6 Cold white/Warm white. Putting my 5 X 6 room at 600 watts of light, and with the addition of CO2, will vastly increase my yields. I'm looking forward to no long changing bulbs, well at least for the next 3 years. The rooms fans were also replaced before I left with smaller high efficiency units that push a lot of air for 30 watts, almost as much as one 90w fan I was running in 75w mode. Really separating the heat from the LED's and buds via copious directional fanning is superior to a few larger fans. Knocked off 35W from fans last month from upgrading to smaller units

Eventually I hope to scale this up, and get some real ideas of what they are capable of per gallon, with the new pots I'm making I wont have to focus on aeration nearly as much, and I can scale up humus, EWC, and compost content. 6.75 gallon airsmarties are the way to go, it's like having a smartpot with plastic handles and easy ways to tie down limbs during veg. I'm also making a composter/CO2 maker for the flowering room, it will provide some kick ass compost and great yield. Soon I will be buying a mobile A/C, now that it's winter and they are all cheap, and use it to make a fairly sealed room with plenty of CO2/wind for great yield.

For those of you who think that I'm insane for using T-12's, you may have your misgivings about this style of lighting, but when growing with leds it helps to have the warm white scattered every direction. My lighting is getting very blended now that I have my lights hanging as far as they can go, and keeping my plants the correct size before flowering. With a lighting system like this, it allows me a lot of room to work with different phenos that need different criteria for maximum potential.

Including fans the whole room runs at about 600 watts right now. It is very apparent when you hit the 1G/W barrier! Just yielded what should have been 5 OZ of great medicine, more like 3.5, but I wasn't here and they weren't vegged as long as anything I have running now.

Tomorrow I prepare to order my heatsinks for the ILoveLamps.

The rooms light up at 10PM, Pics at 23:00 hours! Over the next few days I'm just going to have this be the general thread for prototype research, which includes ideas from my main grow, which no one gets to see...usually.
So stoked,
ILovePlants

Can't wait to see the pics. ILoveLamps, perfect name. Great post.

good taste in beer and weed!

Here she is after her first day back in the cabinet, within the next two weeks I'll be finishing the new light.
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My internet connection is being lame/ attachment manager acting up. Oh well, at least I got one picture up.

More pictures for your viewing enjoyment, bought some outdoor fence material to make a new type of plant support.

More pictures on the way! She has 12 strong thick colas with tight side branching, expecting a lot out of the next 30 days If you're looking for more stuff check out the LED Mainlined thread, I'm going to be updating that in a minute.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

She's chugging along, really fun strain, she gets nice purple bluish buds when flowered right. I have some finishing up, but I'm done taking photos for tonight. They'll be ready to chop by the time these ones are updated, so I'll take the pictures then.

This little beauty is about 6 inches long so far, but we still have over 4 weeks left VVV


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Have a dank day!

ILovePlants

P.S. Upskirts, I must remember the upskirt shots. Next update

VERY healthy girls ILP^^^ bravo

Thanks! This morning I installed a cage for support. She wasn't flopping, but I'm going for max yield on this little bugger. Right now if I were to do things over again, I would have vegged for another 1-2 weeks at least, and made the cage before she started flowering. Still going to have great results, not 1g/w but, she needed a little more veg time, and proper stress management while I was away. Truly a strain that desires a lot of veg time for great results, not really a flaw she's just more indica heavy than my other strains. Which is why I bred Cheddarwurst into all my Sativa Hybrids.

Genetically I prefer a front loaded plant, but I do want sativa added in for vigor. My mainliner is exactly that, she's Cheddarwurst/Agent Orange, so she is a bit more on the sativa side compared to the CW, but structure wise she's just a hardy indica of tall proportions compared to many. I'm not sure whether the next prototype will be the slightly sativa dom. hybrid that's finishing up, or the more indica dom. hybrid being mainlined. The next prototype experiment is going to be in my main room with the rest of the plants. She'll get 75w aimed at her, with a random bath of additional light, and will be in my new garden fabric lined large crates. I built a castle for the next prototype out of 2"x1" wire fence material. It's a 3' x 50' roll, 25$ and now I have all the cages I'll need for a long time

I'm going to update in another 5 days. She's looking great. Hope every one is having a dank day!
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

PetFlora,
Do you have them trained down? All my plants would be =to/<than 4' save the Cheddarwurst. I deal mostly in Sativa dom. hybrids because I like a certain high. Been crossing out with this Cheddarwurst because the high was mind numbing and happy even in a small plant. My Paradox seeds (trial name) are all really tall, like 9 to 12' if they were single colas out side! She was mainlined to six, vegged for three weeks, been flowering for 35 days or so, she's slowing in stretch(maybe 3" left), and is about 4 feet from the soil. She seems like a long term flowering plant, or an astonishingly tiny yielder, but regardless all the new wares have more trichomes than their parentage. I really would like the advanced breeding section of this site burst with people breeding. It's the most complex and wonderful experience you can have in your cannabis garden, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

I think that if you look to the right genetics you can find plants that are 4' high, but having your own stock is what makes all this happen.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants
P.S. I guess I'll put some pictures up of the Paradox when I update, even though I don't think it is a keeper by any means. Great potential genetics, but not for my environment. Just too big.

WOW! Very nice!!!

How many watts of LED do you use? How does it compare watt to twatt to CFL or FL?

My 4 x 6 bud room averages about 580 watts of light, and it can fit as many as 11 10-gallon containers, but I usually only have 9-10 plants, of various sizes, in at a time. I'm usually using about 4.5-7 gallons per plant in hard pots, although soon I'm switching to 7-10 gallons in custom smartpots.

Each plant in my flowering room receives between 55-110 watts of light, depending on location and size of plant. My mainliner is taking up a ton of space and gets over 100 watts, although if she yields anything near 100 grams I wont be complaining. This plant CW is getting about 75 watts all the time, although she was getting less for the first few weeks ~55 watts, more for the past week and next 2.5 weeks ~85, and I will finish her out at 65 watts. I'm constantly toying with how little wattage I can get away with at what time. I find it stimulating, and I look forward to new ideas every day.

Compared to t-5's, cfl's, and fluorescent lighting I would rate leds highly. Although I feel the led industry is currently hampered by cost, customizability, diode size, and reflectors. The one thing I have never is why no led maker designed lights that could directly replace hids. When I first invested into them I assumed that it would be only a matter of months before they were trying to build direct HID replacement, and now 3 years later we are getting close. If I was going for pure yield I could give a better comparison, but I don't think that would be fair. The led's would blow CFLs out of the water.

I assume that some day we will have 300 watt led lights that completely compete with 600 watt HIDs; with 8-20w 3000k, 4-20w 5000k, 12-5w 660reds, a nice 300 watt led light hanging above a 3x3, with 10w of small cascading 6500k led strip lighting running half way through the fruiting zone to mimic light coming in from the movement of the forest canopy. All of this running through a computer program altering the color temperature throughout the day by dimming certain spectra at certain times. Pair this with a high yielding strain and I would assume you could grow monsters, but alas I don't have the funds to build the dream. Maybe next year

Thanks for stopping in AndrewDeeKing, it's about to get all update city on this thread!
Outdoor SDTW X GDP, CW is at day 40, and I'm throwing in a few pictures of the new cages I'm making along with some full room shots. Damn it's been a long night, I had to water flowering too. Updates tomorrow, I'm going to sleep.
Keep it real,
ILovePlants

IlovePlants said:

My 4 x 6 bud room averages about 580 watts of light, and it can fit as many as 11 10-gallon containers, but I usually only have 9-10 plants, of various sizes, in at a time. I'm usually using about 4.5-7 gallons per plant in hard pots, although soon I'm switching to 7-10 gallons in custom smartpots.

Each plant in my flowering room receives between 55-110 watts of light, depending on location and size of plant. My mainliner is taking up a ton of space and gets over 100 watts, although if she yields anything near 100 grams I wont be complaining. This plant CW is getting about 75 watts all the time, although she was getting less for the first few weeks ~55 watts, more for the past week and next 2.5 weeks ~85, and I will finish her out at 65 watts. I'm constantly toying with how little wattage I can get away with at what time. I find it stimulating, and I look forward to new ideas every day.

Compared to t-5's, cfl's, and fluorescent lighting I would rate leds highly. Although I feel the led industry is currently hampered by cost, customizability, diode size, and reflectors. The one thing I have never is why no led maker designed lights that could directly replace hids. When I first invested into them I assumed that it would be only a matter of months before they were trying to build direct HID replacement, and now 3 years later we are getting close. If I was going for pure yield I could give a better comparison, but I don't think that would be fair. The led's would blow CFLs out of the water.

I assume that some day we will have 300 watt led lights that completely compete with 600 watt HIDs; with 8-20w 3000k, 4-20w 5000k, 12-5w 660reds, a nice 300 watt led light hanging above a 3x3, with 10w of small cascading 6500k led strip lighting running half way through the fruiting zone to mimic light coming in from the movement of the forest canopy. All of this running through a computer program altering the color temperature throughout the day by dimming certain spectra at certain times. Pair this with a high yielding strain and I would assume you could grow monsters, but alas I don't have the funds to build the dream. Maybe next year

Thanks for stopping in AndrewDeeKing, it's about to get all update city on this thread!
Outdoor SDTW X GDP, CW is at day 40, and I'm throwing in a few pictures of the new cages I'm making along with some full room shots. Damn it's been a long night, I had to water flowering too. Updates tomorrow, I'm going to sleep.
Keep it real,
ILovePlants

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So LEd = less enegy for the same power? Got it! Thank ya!

Cheddarwurst day 40: Just watered.

Don't make fun of my dirty soil room... She's experiencing some shade/nitrogen die off, very small amount of Mexican bat guano added to water. Recently I went back to using a yucca wetting agent, it does seem to stretch water a lot further. Watering only 1.2 to 1.3 gallons with yucca for soil 4-8% runoff V.S. 1.3 to 1.5 gallons at 10% runoff. It's only a few cups, but already I have seen my humidity get reduced due to the lack of larger runoffs, and the plants are enjoying the extra nutes at this stage of growth.

Recently I have come to accept that I need more N earlier in flowering. My buds are potent as all shit, but I'm not getting maximum yields. I notice my plants trying to finish early most of the time, and at first the 12.5/11.5 was helping, but it doesn't replace just having a longer veg time with a more nitrated soil. So I added additional home made worm castings to the new mix, we'll see how that fairs.

She's starting to pick up that great huckleberry smell, with a bit of chemical cheesy funk. After a long cure she picks up some fennel undertones to the berry flavor, it's exquisite. It paired extremely well with a lemon lilac fruitiness of Agent Orange. After this thread and the mainlining thread are done I'm going to be taking a month or two hiatus, then when I start threads I will have the pictures I want from the beginning. I'll still be on I just wont be posting as much, and I wont have threads going. Life is keeping me busy.

A while ago I had been toying with fractal plant layouts, and now it looks like I will be moving towards that. Really I'm waiting on the mainline to finish to determine who's getting kept. We have 2 phenos that were kept, one indica dominant and one hybrid. The hybrid (indica stretch) is just plane faster overall, but she gets floppy in flowering. I fucking hate floppy plants, they are a damn eyesore in my opinion. With the mainline I'm just worried about the smoke. I know shes at least a decent yielder, she has the biggest leaves and she's so damn squat. Thick purply squarish stems. The floppy hybrid has proven itself worthy in a few ways, namely that she has the most potent stone I've ever had, and she yields well considering her veg time.

So now I'm testing everything, I'm making a mainline of the hybrid for an exact comparison with her sister, and I'm also trying out both using new techniques. I noticed in flowering that the buds of The High(seed trial name) are forming beautiful spirals of star shaped leaves and ample budsites. Everything looks amazing.

More pictures to come.

^^great post/great ideas/great info...........well done

10" clone brought outside 65 days before the photos taken.
She yielded well, currently drying. I'll get some finished nug shots after a week of cure.

Here's her daughter, the first tester from the Paradox seed trial.

I try to focus on heavy resin producing strains, the paradox above has over 40 days left. Honestly the lack of bud was a lighting issue, not a genetic issue. Poor girl is less than a foot away from the Spectras! I'm updating LED Mainlined soon. Next thread will be a combination of these two ideals, low wattage lighting and focused training. I'll be using my own strains from now on, and that just feels dandy.
Keep it dank,
ILovePlants

Day 50 and we have amber alert. Amber trichomes are beginning to overtake my cloudy beast. 85%Cloudy 3%Amber 12% Clear. She has another week before chopdown! Hopefully...






If 12/12 Keeps making my plants finish quick like this than I may have to switch back, but I think that most of the amber that is developing is on the leaves. My nugs should have at least a week. I'm hoping for 10 days. She has been swelling something fierce, and it would be nice to see her yield well.

I really love this strain and I'm glad I bred it with Sweet D's. Paradox is one of the best strains I've seen in my room. I know it may have looked pathetic in the last picture, but this thing is quickly becoming a monster. I'll update again when my scissor's thirst for hash oil is unquenchable, and the huckleberry one must be slain.

Keep it frosty,
ILovePlants