A deficiency or a pest?

First time growing outside organically and I suspect that I have a pest problem but I have no clue need some advice from the professionals!

Looks like thrips or mites to me

Pic 2 looks like leaf miners

I thought that as well but can’t tell on my shit phone if it’s a bunch of dots together or a miner trail

Look on undersides of leafs, whats there little maggot looking thing? Thrips

Two options to solve the issue, just as you can see Captain jacks is a bit more concentrated, but also more expensive. I use the Monterey personally but just don't wanna be bias. The real ingredient is Spinosad.

Southernontariogrower said:

Look on undersides of leafs, whats there little maggot looking thing? Thrips

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nothing on the underside

Thrips are tiny and hide in leaf veins very hard to see.

Has anyone ever used this stuff and would it be ok to use on my girls?

Godofhellsfire said:

Has anyone ever used this stuff and would it be ok to use on my girls?

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I wouldn't use it myself because it contains Spinetoram which is toxic to bees.

I'd just spray them with a citric acid foliar to kill the bugs and then follow up with a sesame oil foliar as a preventative. Both of which are effective, organic, and are not harmful to the ecosystem. Both citric acid and sesame oil are readily available with sesame oil used for culinary purposes available at food stores and citric acid available online or anyplace that sells canning or beer and wine making supplies.

xtsho said:

I wouldn't use it myself because it contains Spinetoram which is toxic to bees.

I'd just spray them with a citric acid foliar to kill the bugs and then follow up with a sesame oil foliar as a preventative. Both of which are effective, organic, and are not harmful to the ecosystem. Both citric acid and sesame oil are readily available with sesame oil used for culinary purposes available at food stores and citric acid available online or anyplace that sells canning or beer and wine making supplies.

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What ratio would you mix the two?

Godofhellsfire said:

What ratio would you mix the two?

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I wouldn't mix the 2 together. I'd do a foliar of citric acid in a ratio of 10-12 ml per liter first in the evening. Then a sesame foliar of 5 ml per liter of water with a drop of dish soap as a surfactant a couple days later. Also done in the evening.

The sesame should be sprayed after using the citric acid which will kill the bugs. The sesame oil will prevent them from coming back. You want both to be dripping off the leaves and you need to spray the citric acid on the undersides of the leaves as well.

That's what I've used in the past for pests outdoors.

xtsho said:

I wouldn't mix the 2 together. I'd do a foliar of citric acid in a ratio of 10-12 ml per liter first in the evening. Then a sesame foliar of 5 ml per liter of water with a drop of dish soap as a surfactant a couple days later. Also done in the evening.

The sesame should be sprayed after using the citric acid which will kill the bugs. The sesame oil will prevent them from coming back. You want both to be dripping off the leaves and you need to spray the citric acid on the undersides of the leaves as well.

That's what I've used in the past for pests outdoors.

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thanks ill give thnat a try

It doesn't matter what pest it is, Spinosad will slaughter any common pest 9 out of 10 times in 1 application per/directions on bottle.

calvin.m16 said:

It doesn't matter what pest it is, Spinosad will slaughter any common pest 9 out of 10 times in 1 application per/directions on bottle.

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And when growing outside it will kill any bees or beneficial pollinators that come in contact with it within a day of its use or longer. Also, from the image posted by the OP of the product they asked about you can see that they're in Australia. They have also discovered that WFT "Western Flower Thrips have developed a resistance to spinosad. Most likely from overuse and indiscriminate spraying of the insecticide. So it's not a certainty that spinosad will have any effect on thrips due to some developing a resistance to it.

Spinosad is also banned for use in commercial cannabis grow operations in half a dozen states and is unavailable for sale in Canada and several European countries with more likely to halt its use.

If it kills bees don't use it outdoors please. There are other just as effective methods that are not a death sentence for bees or other pollinators that come into contact with it. It's time to be more concerned about the planet than some cannabis plants. We're destroying the planet. If we haven't already we all need to do everything in our power to make sure we don't reach the point of no return.



"Spinosad has been widely used in Australia to control western flower thrips Frankliniella occidentalis (Pergande) but spinosad usefulness is now compromised by resistance."


"Resistance to spinosad Despite the initial success of spinosad against WFT, studies revealed that WFT appeared to quickly adapt to, and withstand, the effects of this selective pesticide. A 2005 study showed that spinosad resistance levels were around 97 per cent in a single property that relied heavily on the product. Reasons for this might include an over-reliance on spinosad alone, as well as use of the pesticide in ways that may impede the efficacy of IPM programs."