cannabis420420
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good night buddy its raining here 2
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A Letter from Ernest
- Thread starter Ernst
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budlover13
King Tut
Raining here too. But waiting up to pick my wife up from work. i'll be around for while.
Ernst
Well-Known Member
good night buddy its raining here 2
Thanks..
Nice clear air today..
Looks like the IMF Chief is ruined in French politics
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/NYC-Police-Charge-IMF-Chief-With-Attempted-Rape-121857329.html
He might have been France's next president.
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rosecitypapa
Active Member
I for one am grateful that there are folks like you willing to stand up for what they believe in. I also am grateful for the anonymity that is prevalent on the internet.
Do you free more free and secure having connecting your real name and face to the net?
Do you free more free and secure having connecting your real name and face to the net?
newbforlife
Active Member
ive got a question ernest why legalize it
have you ever looked at both sides of that argument or are you just a pro choiced because
do me a favor and stand back look at the whole picture and think what would happen from an economics point of view
dont bother with links you seem like an honest man just tell us why YOU think it should be
Brad Fleck
names dont matter real or not its traced through your ip so if your not using like a tor client or something annomitity dosnt exsist
have you ever looked at both sides of that argument or are you just a pro choiced because
do me a favor and stand back look at the whole picture and think what would happen from an economics point of view
dont bother with links you seem like an honest man just tell us why YOU think it should be
Brad Fleck
names dont matter real or not its traced through your ip so if your not using like a tor client or something annomitity dosnt exsist
Ernst
Well-Known Member
Gosh.. You are wonderful to ask me that.
I feel secure.
I stood out in front of our Walmart for a few months gathering signatures so I'm known locally as the cannabis guy.
I also served as county captain for CCI so I was a contact for many all over this county and another county.
I find that it is real easy to talk with people in public about legalizing and I have no problem promoting Cannabis.
Also I write letters to papers and am considering a leaflet effort to promote a horticulture only effort for 2012.
What is clear is that I choose not to sell or traffic cannabis and by that I feel my arrest potential is very low. By that I also can show that people can grow cannabis and not be a drug dealer or irresponsible and we need a lot of that kind of PR.
I experience more hostility from those who are making money on drugs than I do from the police I have talked to about legalizing or the average citizen I have spoken to.
I don't see myself as all that important. I'm a solitary fellow who rarely has issues with neighbors and they rarely have issues with me.
Now why would I choose to come out? To kick off change. Someone has to present a contrast to the status quo.
That's about it. I believe in cannabis and believe that only when we are all willing to take a stand will things change in the USA.
Ernst
newbforlife
Active Member
that great personnel motives but i was kinda leaning towards why you think it should be legal not what you've did to promot it
i dont wanna sound like a dick this might be taken the wrong way but from my point of view
you basicly just said i did all this work so legalize it
i only grow for myself and a few others ive not sold any and never have more then 4 plants on the go
i just dont think or want it to be legalized mabye decriminalized but never legalized
i dont wanna sound like a dick this might be taken the wrong way but from my point of view
you basicly just said i did all this work so legalize it
i only grow for myself and a few others ive not sold any and never have more then 4 plants on the go
i just dont think or want it to be legalized mabye decriminalized but never legalized
budlover13
King Tut
Well now damnit Ernst! Posts like that make me want to join up with you b/c i feel the same way. i have been the local grass guy for almost a year now. Haven't stood in front of Walmart gathering sigs, but have enjoyed a few nice joints before heading in for crowded shopping trips. My family, friends, employers, all know. And i refuse to let them forget it too. Someone DOES have to make a change. And if nobody contradicts the government propaganda that has been spewed out for decades then the ignorance will continue.
i bring up the topic all the time when out and about. Been interviewed on the local news regarding it. And will continue to be active in fundraisers, rallies, education, etc. i just think there is a more uniting way to go about this.
Sure, there are commercial growers that don't like it. And there are non-growers who are just as adamant about legalization for all. But there is a majority that are in the middle somewhere. And that majority is who we have to focus on. Ignore the two extremes b/c you won't change their stance. Concentrate on those(the overall majority) that have little stake either way, imho.
Ernst
Well-Known Member
It's all dynamic isn't it? By that I mean that the real struggle is with the individual in their local communities and with their families and friends. That is where I see the real focal point for the people to be concerned with any substance use.
Getting to the point where the individual is freed from worry and stress in their lives over cannabis is the most important thing. Not destroying lives and families over growing, consuming and private trade with this plant is the goal for me.
Standing back and offering an opinion.
Economically there are many possibilities.
First we have a range of commerce liberty across the state now. That ranges from Neon signs in brick and mortar stores and delivery services to illegal grow ops and old fashioned drug dealing.
Cannabis prohibition is profitable for both the drug trade and the law enforcement industry. There is a symbiotic relationship there in price control and market regulation.
I'm unsure which aspect of economics you meant to focus on but in all my horticulture over commerce efforts I see cannabis being successful commercially even though anyone can grow a lot. Simply because it takes time, skill and a garden to grow.
Take a look at home brewing. There is a market for private production but a majority just pick up that 12 pack or other spirits at the store.
If it is legal for all to grow then obviously an increase of produce will occur and with it price will adjust. I believe that is a fact of market science?
Those who wish to have a business such as a dispensary or delivery service will need to adjust to market conditions like anyone else so speciality and brands will emerge such as "Humboldt" brand and so forth.
Gone will be the day when we pay a lot and wonder if we got a good deal. The future retailer will not be so concerned in refunding for weed someone didn't like as much as being very concerned not to lose that customer and future sales.
I hope I answered the question you intended. Feel free to follow up if I didn't
Basically it's a plant anyone can grow so it's value relates to it's legal status.
Why legalize? So that we undo what was wrongly done with prohibition and to stop the subsequent billions of dollars more we will spend and lives wasted all over the world surrounding this beneficial plant and allow all to enjoy cannabis without punishment.
I hope some day that cannabis is commonplace and no one really worries about it. That children have better opportunities to create private wealth then to deal drugs and risk prison.
Do I think the commercial illegal grow op will fade? Yes I do.. I see it turning into open gardens where folks regularly exchange cannabis with others in the open. How we conduct that trade will determine if we are breaking the law.
Over all I see an improved protection for small growers but the trade off is the price per pound will adjust to market conditions.
This is California only.. People in other states will still enjoy the Spy vs Spy world of illicit drug trafficking.
We can't say California doesn't export now so it won't change if it's legal for us all.
Over all, after all people can grow, use, breed and trade I see it much easier to establish more "medical retail" in the Face of Federal laws we must accept until we can change them.
I don't see legalizing retail and regulating the production that private people can do as valid. We would be expecting greater police expenditure and supply would still effect the price per pound.
Legal cannabis commerce is not acceptable to a majority of Californians and it's certainly not acceptable to the Federal Government. We have to live with that a while longer. So skip that Federal war, legalize horticulture, use and private non-commercial trade. Let the prices adjust and stabilize. Then work to expand the retail through medical dispensaries and delivery services.
Once we have that foundation and more states see it can be done well we will change the world.
Again if i didn't focus on what answer you wanted please restate the question so I have a better understanding of what you are asking.
Simply it will get better for the little guy if his garden is legal and he can use the sun. It will be better for Cannabis is we start keeping the genetics publicly.
It will be better for the future people if they have a choice of resources for their cannabis needs.
Remember what we do now is not so much for our generation and times but for the future.
We enjoy liberties because of the efforts of past people and we are expected to hand liberty to future people. Let us hand them a legal garden if nothing else.
newbforlife
Active Member
That was awesome just kind of what i was looking for your own thoughts backed up by what you have read
The reason i ask for your opinion is that anything you say i will do the research and draw my own conclusion on what you say as to why it should be legal
That’s why i don’t want the links
I don’t think most people know the differences between legalization and decriminalization that’s mostly my problem
1 is impossible the other isn't
the U.N sets the policies on drugs there’s only 3 places in the world where its legal 1 is Haiti the other 2 i can’t remember and there pressured all the time
The Philippines decriminalized all drugs since 2001 i think things have gone great for them nothing but good results not sure if the really applies towards MJ
the reason acl and tobacco are decriminalized is that there easily controlled substances that people enjoy lots of tax revenue for the state and feds and who wants a still or brewery in there house all the time MJ on the other hand brings in 3 times as much tax money when illegal through laundering the money its triple taxed once by the person who made it once by the person who launders it and again buy spending it on goods for real this time the end result your state and federal income goes way up your worth more money on paper then you actually are
And prohibition usually results in gang/mob wars and by no means has ever shut down the black market but anyone involved gets rich fast that includes the government i.e. laundering money
the black market will just push something possibly worse maybe not but there not going to take a loss neither will the government to be honest
you need a way to get the money back out of the people’s hands or there won’t be any that’s through taxes if you can come up with a way to make it taxable and still provide the same amount of income to the government it will be decriminalized but never legalized it’s a transitions that’s not easy to do with a plant that’s well so easy to grow it’s a weed
No commercial MJ farm could ever compete with the black market prices unless grown outside seasonally but that involves a lot of security and still a lot of overhead at this stage
More or less I would like it decriminalized for the most part like alcohol is. Let’s say you’re allowed to have certain amount without more than a fine involved an ounce for non-medicinal reasons why do you need more then that at any given time unless you have a licence to sell and or grow again simular to alcohol you can’t own a still or if high in public making an ass of yourself or acting stupid again it’s a fine or charge depending on the circumstances
and I am not well informed of calis situation I live in Canada I think were more or less the same but were waiting to see what you guys do then make a move as it stands even most Canadians don’t understand it I can go to jail for 1 seed for 5 years and if I try to leave the country it could be 25 years same applies for a gram
The reason i ask for your opinion is that anything you say i will do the research and draw my own conclusion on what you say as to why it should be legal
That’s why i don’t want the links
I don’t think most people know the differences between legalization and decriminalization that’s mostly my problem
1 is impossible the other isn't
the U.N sets the policies on drugs there’s only 3 places in the world where its legal 1 is Haiti the other 2 i can’t remember and there pressured all the time
The Philippines decriminalized all drugs since 2001 i think things have gone great for them nothing but good results not sure if the really applies towards MJ
the reason acl and tobacco are decriminalized is that there easily controlled substances that people enjoy lots of tax revenue for the state and feds and who wants a still or brewery in there house all the time MJ on the other hand brings in 3 times as much tax money when illegal through laundering the money its triple taxed once by the person who made it once by the person who launders it and again buy spending it on goods for real this time the end result your state and federal income goes way up your worth more money on paper then you actually are
And prohibition usually results in gang/mob wars and by no means has ever shut down the black market but anyone involved gets rich fast that includes the government i.e. laundering money
the black market will just push something possibly worse maybe not but there not going to take a loss neither will the government to be honest
you need a way to get the money back out of the people’s hands or there won’t be any that’s through taxes if you can come up with a way to make it taxable and still provide the same amount of income to the government it will be decriminalized but never legalized it’s a transitions that’s not easy to do with a plant that’s well so easy to grow it’s a weed
No commercial MJ farm could ever compete with the black market prices unless grown outside seasonally but that involves a lot of security and still a lot of overhead at this stage
More or less I would like it decriminalized for the most part like alcohol is. Let’s say you’re allowed to have certain amount without more than a fine involved an ounce for non-medicinal reasons why do you need more then that at any given time unless you have a licence to sell and or grow again simular to alcohol you can’t own a still or if high in public making an ass of yourself or acting stupid again it’s a fine or charge depending on the circumstances
and I am not well informed of calis situation I live in Canada I think were more or less the same but were waiting to see what you guys do then make a move as it stands even most Canadians don’t understand it I can go to jail for 1 seed for 5 years and if I try to leave the country it could be 25 years same applies for a gram
newbforlife
Active Member
sorry bout the way that looks it looked better in ms word
budlover13
King Tut
Very well stated Ernst.
Ernst
Well-Known Member
I'm real interested in the mindset of Canadians on which way they want to go.
I have a rough idea that it resembles our American two party system more than the parliamentary one but that could be a reflection of the new economic situation and the WTO.. I am not up on that more than to boo and hiss.
In cultures where a religion is introduced it becomes culturally defined and so too cannabis use. Culturally defined like if we go to s Souther Baptist church where the majority are African Americans it's very possible any picture of Jesus Christ will look more African American and another may have Jesus that looks white for example.
Giver the honest segregation and our churches are a huge source of segregation we face a similar issue with cannabis in my opinion, in California.
California has 600 jurisdictions ( aprox ) and each is expressing it's color on that Jesus. Some places allow dispensaries and weed crimes are low priority and other places have nearly a Stalinist surveillance and intelligence program that sniff outs clues as to who has drugs ( and weed ) and who doesn't. Needless to say No dispensaries either.
What I find of value for advancing cannabis freedom for people is that our California Medical laws have been through the courts and are still standing. That means that in theory we all can grow plants and share produce and genetics in a non-commercial way.
That is where I see a way to expand the freedoms but it comes at a cost. We have to drop the push for more commerce. We cannot force church to accept a different Jesus to use a metaphor.
So what about Canada and what kinds of Jesus' do you have up there?
Excellent read for me.. I love a mind full and complexity. The large font was like you were being nice to me and my eyes.. After 29 years I enjoy a bigger font when i do the forums.
I could have countered the business aspects and the decrim points but lets say I don't see commerce working at all in 2012. The focus seems to be a better fit if we just "Let the people over grow the cartels(tm)" After all we just kicked the cartels ass down into South America.. It was described in the news by our American speakers as like turning on the kitchen light and watching the cockroaches scatter.
I doubt we will be warm to voting for legal drug dealing after Osama and the Cockroaches.
We are still running Drones in Mexico I believe.
Let me know if this font is to big.
Ernst
I have a rough idea that it resembles our American two party system more than the parliamentary one but that could be a reflection of the new economic situation and the WTO.. I am not up on that more than to boo and hiss.
In cultures where a religion is introduced it becomes culturally defined and so too cannabis use. Culturally defined like if we go to s Souther Baptist church where the majority are African Americans it's very possible any picture of Jesus Christ will look more African American and another may have Jesus that looks white for example.
Giver the honest segregation and our churches are a huge source of segregation we face a similar issue with cannabis in my opinion, in California.
California has 600 jurisdictions ( aprox ) and each is expressing it's color on that Jesus. Some places allow dispensaries and weed crimes are low priority and other places have nearly a Stalinist surveillance and intelligence program that sniff outs clues as to who has drugs ( and weed ) and who doesn't. Needless to say No dispensaries either.
What I find of value for advancing cannabis freedom for people is that our California Medical laws have been through the courts and are still standing. That means that in theory we all can grow plants and share produce and genetics in a non-commercial way.
That is where I see a way to expand the freedoms but it comes at a cost. We have to drop the push for more commerce. We cannot force church to accept a different Jesus to use a metaphor.
So what about Canada and what kinds of Jesus' do you have up there?
Excellent read for me.. I love a mind full and complexity. The large font was like you were being nice to me and my eyes.. After 29 years I enjoy a bigger font when i do the forums.
I could have countered the business aspects and the decrim points but lets say I don't see commerce working at all in 2012. The focus seems to be a better fit if we just "Let the people over grow the cartels(tm)" After all we just kicked the cartels ass down into South America.. It was described in the news by our American speakers as like turning on the kitchen light and watching the cockroaches scatter.
I doubt we will be warm to voting for legal drug dealing after Osama and the Cockroaches.
We are still running Drones in Mexico I believe.
Let me know if this font is to big.
Ernst
Ernst
Well-Known Member
I've experimented with other styles here but that is one I can do a lot of over and over again until I get tired.
I like the news posting style as well. I'm real good and experienced at it also.
Thanks for a kind reply..
newbforlife
Active Member
lol my font is slightly bigger eh it was just the default font in ms word copy and pasted it shows up almost the same size on my screen i just hate the little box it gives you to write in it didn't paste properly but cant have it all i guess
anyways um if i got this right your laws are federal state and then juridictions
with us its gunna be federal provential then municipal <--city
wasnt sure what you meant but if it pass federal and provencal laws no municipality would say no
but from what you wrote and what i wrote were on the same page except i want it decriminalized not legalized
i just cant talk much about medical MJ because i've never had the priviledge of calling it that
but when it comes to MJ most canadians tend to think it is decriminalized up to 30g of MJ or 1 g of any resin its not the case its a side note one one the prime ministers wanted to set up like 20 years ago or something but never passed althought every provence follows anyway well almost id worry about it in alberta but most judges consider it a victomless crime they might take everything involved in it and slap you with a fine not woth spending 80grand a year keeping me in prison mind you it would be a minimun security prison almost like vacation
not sure what you meant by the whole medofor thing to be honest
all i can say is i dont think we segregate jesus the same way you do i guess i dunno
anyways um if i got this right your laws are federal state and then juridictions
with us its gunna be federal provential then municipal <--city
wasnt sure what you meant but if it pass federal and provencal laws no municipality would say no
but from what you wrote and what i wrote were on the same page except i want it decriminalized not legalized
i just cant talk much about medical MJ because i've never had the priviledge of calling it that
but when it comes to MJ most canadians tend to think it is decriminalized up to 30g of MJ or 1 g of any resin its not the case its a side note one one the prime ministers wanted to set up like 20 years ago or something but never passed althought every provence follows anyway well almost id worry about it in alberta but most judges consider it a victomless crime they might take everything involved in it and slap you with a fine not woth spending 80grand a year keeping me in prison mind you it would be a minimun security prison almost like vacation
not sure what you meant by the whole medofor thing to be honest
all i can say is i dont think we segregate jesus the same way you do i guess i dunno
newbforlife
Active Member
hold left ctlr and use the mouse wheel it a super fast easy way to zoom in/out with IE i use it all the time on forums
Ernst
Well-Known Member
On the metaphor I meant that to each their own image of ( proper idolatry I guess ) But more that it's okay to sell in a dispensary in Oakland ( lots of minorities of dark color ) but not in Turlock ( lots of minorities of brown or lighter color )
On the decrim vs legal horticulture How do you guys grow mostly? Isn't it indoors mostly? I mean if it was out door you would grow like what "Alaska Thunder fuck?" Or B.C. Buds what ever that strain is right?
You guys have more industry than medical gardens yes?
On the laws it's not so clear cut. In the beginning of the USA States have rights and they formed a federation? I think that is the term I stand to be corrected if not but the idea was that what you do in your state is your thing but there will be some conformity and certain functions will fall to the Federal such as defence of the nation and so on.
But in the states when they needed to make cannabis illegal they needed all states to sign on and so Anslinger of the post prohibition days made cannabis one of the first mass media campaigns. Anyway if I understand it right States can sign out in some way which I don't fully understand but not to such a degree, I think, that it will interfere with the Federal Government.
So there is chain and I think you are saying you guys have a chain of authority like a court system?
Here, in California, we were able to vote and pass something we call a Voter Initiative which has it's history in I believe 1800's maybe early 1900's California where voters were incensed with what the Legislature had done I believe that is the right story. Something to do with corruption I believe.
Now from that we can vote on issues in a almost direct democratic way. It's close to true democracy. without that we would not have Medical program.
So we have that and we past the medical and then we have been bickering and basically struggling with cannabis ever since.
Currently two Bills are being considered ( our California congress ) that will protect some workers on the job who are not "Safety Sensitive" which can mean anything so i would think that would be those who don't actually make something with tools or such and we have a Bill where growing cannabis without a medical card means going to be County Jail of 1 year or less rather than State Prison for 3 years or less.
Those are the two latest efforts to improve things.
Culturally what is going on now, from my point of view, is that we have bagged the terrorist (Osama) and we have defeated the cartels so it looks to me that the No voters will be empowered and validated to vote no again in 2012 from the trend I see.
That is why I ring the bell for horticulture and I guess if limits are considered such as a permit for growing plants decrim is a possible term.
Anyway as I was saying we change things at the people level sometimes. That is why we can have one thing or the other that no politician dare support if they want to be reselected.
I'd like to say the state is open to commercial sales everywhere equally because a State law allows it but it just doesn't work that way. I believe each jurisdiction implements State laws in their own way. As long as it complies with State law then it's good even if the procedure is slightly different from one Jurisdiction to the next.
This opens up all sorts of possibilities such as zoning laws to prohibit outdoor growing or to prohibit a dispensary and then there are the emergency laws that ban something outright for as long as they need and we have seen jurisdictions go through three and 4 delays before they just vote no. Basically they were starving out a group that laid claim to open a dispensary if I remember right. They just continued the emergency ban and never held a meeting until the day they officially banned it altogether.
So on the jurisdiction front we have some that allow 99 plants and others that allow 6 but indoors only and one I know of that wants to tax by the square foot of your garden space something like $10 0r $12 thousand dollars a year for a medical garden(Mantica Ca?).
So we have a lot of disagreement at the jurisdiction level and we tried to force the issue with prop 19 which basically tried to birth a ready made template and graft that onto the laws we have now.
Well we didn't like that.
Now I understand there is an effort to do a similar thing but base it on the wine laws is being crafted and no one is publishing anything we can chew on yet.
Even the debates(2) were a pay for view event that most of us know nothing about.
So with the Cartels on the run in South American after drone and Mexican military efforts and Osama dead I believe we stand little chance to graft Wine law onto cannabis but this time out there are a lot of names on the payroll of that effort I believe if there is funding or will be funding I believe.
I just asked an attorney who blogged on several sites about the Wine law he is good at or something ( http://sfpublicpress.org/news/2011-04/growing-pot-should-be-treated-the-same-as-growing-grapes-qa-with-lawyer-david-owen See my comments too please )
So far no reply.. i doubt that was a Q&A at all since I asked the Q and there is no A after all this time.
So desperately we face another industry attempt to bring hedonistic cannabis to California.
1972 was the Hippie age and prop 19 ( the first ) then covered a more simple and sensible approach but for those days we had hippies and communes and inner city minorities and drugs.
we still watched Dragnet on reruns and simple said no to drugs and that hippie alternate life stuff. I lived in the Foothills so I saw it change and the folks are old so they were hard core old school that didn't like the easy ride of druggies.
Prop 19 2010 ( 2 ) again exposed that we were willing to say no to the other extreme (commercial sales) even though that prop 19 aimed at Dry county and Wet county and allowed revenue and I think unlimited taxation and also required a property owner to control what an individual did with cannabis.
California enlightened from how prop 215 has ruined the jurisdiction's control on the minorities er I mean the cannabis they
voted "traditionally no" on new cannabis liberty.
So this brings us to what will fly in 2012.. I have a feeling a safe bet is expanding control in the jurisdictions with a permit system for all, while defining equality no mater what jurisdiction you are in for medical and private horticulture. That is the only trade I see happening that will be semi acceptable since some jurisdictions still don't allow dispensaries and are slowly addressing private garden freedoms.
So.. Again what is the structure like for cannabis production in Canada? Mostly indoor? Didn't they pass a law for of like 1 year for 1 plant?
Ernst
newbforlife
Active Member
Im non medicinal so the laws around it for me are vague at best
i know you could apply to grow your own or have someone do it and it ranged from like 4 to 16 plants at any 1 time depending on illness
and now that the conservatives got in and arn't a minority they want to introduce mandatory min sentences for trafficking
as for the politics of it to many rumers we have had like 4 elections in 5 years or something
and since i dont vote i cant go into politics
as for being grown im not sure i grow mine inside and i dont know anyone else that grows really i couldn't even get a gram without going through a friend at this point but if i had to guess mostly outdoors if BC and i couldn't even guess with quebec we tend to not have as many problems as you probably because to much bush land to monitor at this point they wanna start cracking down and i dought ppl from the states sell in canada if anything is the other way around
the law is literally up to 5 years for everything but the stalks for possession but nobody follows that right now
as for strains i couldnt tell yea i grow so i dont have to buy 1/20 of the cost
as for the municipal laws its probably not as big an issue because none of are citys are as big as yours. california has more people in it then canada has people +/- 1 million or so
i know you could apply to grow your own or have someone do it and it ranged from like 4 to 16 plants at any 1 time depending on illness
and now that the conservatives got in and arn't a minority they want to introduce mandatory min sentences for trafficking
as for the politics of it to many rumers we have had like 4 elections in 5 years or something
and since i dont vote i cant go into politics
as for being grown im not sure i grow mine inside and i dont know anyone else that grows really i couldn't even get a gram without going through a friend at this point but if i had to guess mostly outdoors if BC and i couldn't even guess with quebec we tend to not have as many problems as you probably because to much bush land to monitor at this point they wanna start cracking down and i dought ppl from the states sell in canada if anything is the other way around
the law is literally up to 5 years for everything but the stalks for possession but nobody follows that right now
as for strains i couldnt tell yea i grow so i dont have to buy 1/20 of the cost
as for the municipal laws its probably not as big an issue because none of are citys are as big as yours. california has more people in it then canada has people +/- 1 million or so
newbforlife
Active Member
i would imagine that whatever happends down there will enevidably happen up here mabye
usually tends to be how it is but now the the consevitives running things god knows
it seems like mr.harper kinda has an agenda towards defence and military shit now
nobody knows whats happening right now because of all the elections and that it was a minority for the last 4 years and now they have the majority of the vote
usually tends to be how it is but now the the consevitives running things god knows
it seems like mr.harper kinda has an agenda towards defence and military shit now
nobody knows whats happening right now because of all the elections and that it was a minority for the last 4 years and now they have the majority of the vote
Ernst
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the mental picture.
It sounds like all people are basically the same. Some don't, some do for themselves and a few friends maybe and then there are those into production.
We have the same basically..
Well even our Democrat president is leaning to the conservative side of life.
It's all about "National Interests" these days.
It sounds like all people are basically the same. Some don't, some do for themselves and a few friends maybe and then there are those into production.
We have the same basically..
Well even our Democrat president is leaning to the conservative side of life.
It's all about "National Interests" these days.