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so i'm growing out a S1 seed, and all seems good at the moment
but a slightly twisted thought occurred to me, how far could one take the S1 process?
i guess those might be called S2, S3, ... - curious if anyone has tried this
one would think things might go badly at the S2 stage, not to mention latter stages
but who knows what some strange paths a breeder may have taken

I'm curious and subscribed You are probably right, if you can start getting unexpected results after 4 crossed when inbreeding, then you may get the same results with and S2-S3 and latter stages.

Lets see if anybody tried

i think some S2 grows are out there, that would just be a feminized(selfed that is) plant that hermied with seeds
i think there are some commercial offerings of such(but not sure)

I'm growing S3 chilli peppers and they grow well.
In cannabis I wouldn't bother with S1 seeds - they have a very limited gene pool to begin with, unless its an IBL line, and in this case making S1's probably means a hermie plant seeding itself.
Otherwise there's no sense in making them - if they were regular you could just make more regular IBL beans. If they were feminized you can make feminized seeds. Needless to say - selfing cannabis is the least stable and healthy way to go.

I don't know of any S2 seed stock being sold and MARKETED as such. The only reason I would buy an S1 would be to get some very very good elite clone only strain and then I would cross it with some stable strain to make it stronger (as there would be more diversion in the gene pool that way).


Cheers.

i started the thread because of a current experience - had a hermie plant that hermied badly, seeds were made
being more curious than sensible, i just had to try one of the seeds
so far, no hermie trait in evidence(parent hermied early in flower) - the grow goes on, i'll see how it ends
but i've seen a fair number of posts on experiences where 'crumby' S1's behaved better than expected
which makes me wonder if S2's are as nasty as we think they are

It really depends on how stable the strain was to begin with.
Anyhow, its the last way I would produce seeds.

I've seen F1s that were straight crap from good parents.
I've seen F3s that were pretty great.
I've seen very good S1s.

But I've seen much more of the opposite.


To take a genetics course in the univeristy you need to learn statistics along. There's a reason- its all based on statistics and thats just what it is.



Cheers.

McFonz said:

It really depends on how stable the strain was to begin with.
Anyhow, its the last way I would produce seeds.

I've seen F1s that were straight crap from good parents.
I've seen F3s that were pretty great.
I've seen very good S1s.

But I've seen much more of the opposite.


To take a genetics course in the univeristy you need to learn statistics along. There's a reason- its all based on statistics and thats just what it is.



Cheers.

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we're talking crap shoots all right - so my 1 plant experience doesn't mean too much
but happy(for the moment), but i had something else in mind with doing this 'strange' thing
i'd wonder if you could use this method as a way to peer into the recessive genes of a plant
by S2/S3, you would think you might be able to see some traits that might be otherwise well hidden from the usual breeding choices
mostly for fun here, never know who might show up with interesting experiences

You could get a lot of recessive traits but it would be hard to cube them.

Usually people make a F2 or F3 and then back cross it to one of the parents. It brings out a lot of recessive traits. Usually to know what to worry about with the particular strain.


Cheers.