A US Teenager Who Grew Up In Denver Was Executed WITHOUT TRIAL With a DRONE

Dr Kynes said:

of course it's hypothetical. but it is correct, proportional and even less damnig a question that al awalaki junior.

al quaeda has declared war on the US, as has alquaeda in yemen. al banni, who was killed in the car with junior was the chief propaganda minister for alquaeda in yemen, just as goebbels was for germany.

the question stands.

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I didn't realize Goebbels died in a bomb blast sitting next to an American youth. And to compare the situation on the Arabian peninsula with WW2, idk, not gonna fly in my head. Shit does not compute.

I'm still finding it hard to accept that my tax dollars are partially going to fund these strange, "wars". Everything seems so bizarre anymore, like one bad trip.

I'm not sure what kind of reaction you would be expecting with your, hypothetical, but it's just all so twilight zoney for me. Can't comprehend it to tell you how I think about it, to be honest. I'm sure I don't know all the details anyways.

billybob420 said:

I didn't realize Goebbels died in a bomb blast sitting next to an American youth. And to compare the situation on the Arabian peninsula with WW2, idk, not gonna fly in my head. Shit does not compute.

I'm still finding it hard to accept that my tax dollars are partially going to fund these strange, "wars". Everything seems so bizarre anymore, like one bad trip.

I'm not sure what kind of reaction you would be expecting with your, hypothetical, but it's just all so twilight zoney for me. Can't comprehend it to tell you how I think about it, to be honest. I'm sure I don't know all the details anyways.

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the purpose of a hypothetical question is to focus the mind away from extraneous details and target the known facts.

juinor was killed as collateral damage (but totally deserved to get targeted anyhow) in a strike targeting one of the top bosses in al quaeda in yemen. they were riding together in the same suv when shit just got all explody.

and not a single thing of value was lost (except the suv.)

Dr Kynes said:

the purpose of a hypothetical question is to focus the mind away from extraneous details and target the known facts.

juinor was killed as collateral damage (but totally deserved to get targeted anyhow) in a strike targeting one of the top bosses in al quaeda in yemen. they were riding together in the same suv when shit just got all explody.

and not a single thing of value was lost (except the suv.)

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I don't think I consider a propagandist is a legitimate target anyways. Free speech and everything.

Much ado about nothing
The kids dad was a piece of shit
And junior was just like him
He isnt an innocent American teenager
Just some jihadi wannabe who happened to of been born here

billybob420 said:

I don't think I consider a propagandist is a legitimate target anyways. Free speech and everything.

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goebbels was the guy who basically sold the nazi party line to the german people whitewash3ed the extermination camps and made hitler into der beloved fuhrer. propagandists are the FIRST target when youre facing madmen adn their mad organizations and regimes.

kinda like mob lawyers.

America..... So constitutional

making war on those who have declared war on us is one of the few places the US government still exercises constitutional powers which are actually found in the constitution. they just go about it in a fucked up way.

ideally none of the bonehead moves that turned osama bin laden into a player on the world stage should have occurred. but given the current state of affairs, and not having a time machine, we gotta deal with the cards currently dealt

al quaeda is still an organization that has declared war on the US, and it's forces, spokesmouths. and assets are all legitimate targets. i would prefer a more Roman solution to their antics.

riding in with a few legions of well armed troops with orders to smoke anybody who points a weapon in their direction, tossing yemen like a crackhouse till we find the jerkoffs, then march them through the streets of washington tied behind a chariot, then throw them off the top of the washington monument. for yemen's government, a stern warning to clean up their shit or we will come for them next.

every time a new al quaeda group pokes it's head up, rinse and repeat. thats how you do war, not playing proportionality pattycake with the aggressors, and definately not letting them hide in pakistan till they pop over to attack again.

troops on foreign soil? nope. our forces should be kept here till needed. when the milita trains, they train on the borders, where we would have to fight if invaded.

long term occupations to win hearts and minds? fuck that. it doesnt work, could never work and is just plain stupid. wars should be brief violent and abrupt things, not long drawn out exchanges of proportional response.

how to fund the wars? one word. Plunder. if we have to come kick in your door,, our boys get to grab anything they like on the way out.

what forces to use in the invasion with only the militia? two divisions of marines, duly authorized by the us constitution.

a couple years of this policy and foreign nations will suddenly see the wisdom of not allowing bin laden or his associates safe harbour in their borders.

i know what your gonna say, its so... evil. nope. thats war. war doesnt come with search warrants and legal rights and agreements. war comes with explosions, fires and corpses in the streets. if a country doesnt want war, dont harbour those who declare war on the US or blow up buildings or embassies.

billybob420 said:

I don't think I consider a propagandist is a legitimate target anyways. Free speech and everything.

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Bill Ayers would have been taken out with this logic but the man has made several whitehouse visits in the past few years. He's a friend od the administration. One mans terrorist is another mans advisor. I wouldn't have
wanted Nixon to arbitrarily kill him either just like I don't want Obama doing it or president Perry or Palin either.


Edit: Agreeing with billybob

ginwilly said:

Bill Ayers would have been taken out with this logic but the man has made several whitehouse visits in the past few years. He's a friend od the administration. One mans terrorist is another mans advisor. I wouldn't have
wanted Nixon to arbitrarily kill him either just like I don't want Obama doing it or president Perry or Palin either.


Edit: Agreeing with billybob

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bill ayers was not a propagandist, nor was he a freedom fighter. he is and was a militant marxist who deserves to be in prison.

still he was not a member of a foreign body who declared war on the US with word and deed, so he was not a traitor, just a criminal. al banni however was one of the key players in recruiting, glorifying the bomb vest sacrament, and increasing mohammedan extremism world wide. he deserved to catch a predator missile behind the ear.

nobody ever had any evidence that osama bin laden ever fired a weapon in anger. does that mean he should have been treated with more respect due to his sacred "freedom of speech"? after all, as far as anybody knows, all osama did was talk.

and so did hitler. i dont think anybody ever even tried to make the case that hitler was pushing jews into the "showers" or dropping zyklon B down the roof vents.

likewise, mussolini never put anyone against a wall and shot them in the head.

pol pot never actually swung a baby against a tree, not even once.

i doubt fidel castro ever had to fire a weapon in his revolution either.

how far down the "freedom of speech" rabbit hole you wanna go?

Hitler, Castro, Bin Laden ect all had one thing in common. They were never and are not presently citizens. We didn't even put up a fake pretense of a trial.

ginwilly said:

Hitler, Castro, Bin Laden ect all had one thing in common. They were never and are not presently citizens. We didn't even put up a fake pretense of a trial.

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yet we try illegal aliens when they commit crimes, they are also not citizens, but we do cover them with the protective umbrella of inalienable rights.

making war on the US is a damned fool idea for a foreigner, but if done by a US citizen, it is the only crime in the constitution and it's punishable by death, in the courts or on the battlefield. had al awalaki and al junior come along quietly, they woiuld be facing trial, instead of feeding worms.

life's tough all over. they shoulda worn a helmet

several members of the German American Bund got killed when they left for germany to jooin the nazis in ww2. should we start prosecuting the soldiers who killed them too? after all they had no trial either...

also please note, these dickbags declared war on the US, engage in war on the US, and foment war in non-hostile countries against the US. all without a uniform. under the Geneva Convention this makes them saboteurs, and spies who may be summarily executed on the battlefield with no repercussions under international law.

new shooter! place your bets!

Dr Kynes said:

yet we try illegal aliens when they commit crimes, they are also not citizens, but we do cover them with the protective umbrella of inalienable rights.

making war on the US is a damned fool idea for a foreigner, but if done by a US citizen, it is the only crime in the constitution and it's punishable by death, in the courts or on the battlefield. had al awalaki and al junior come along quietly, they woiuld be facing trial, instead of feeding worms.

life's tough all over. they shoulda worn a helmet

several members of the German American Bund got killed when they left for germany to jooin the nazis in ww2. should we start prosecuting the soldiers who killed them too? after all they had no trial either...

also please note, these dickbags declared war on the US, engage in war on the US, and foment war in non-hostile countries against the US. all without a uniform. under the Geneva Convention this makes them saboteurs, and spies who may be summarily executed on the battlefield with no repercussions under international law.

new shooter! place your bets!

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Ok so when did this kid make war on the US?

Go back to fellating Mittens, you're appreciated more there.

Harrekin said:

Ok so when did this kid make war on the US?

Go back to fellating Mittens, you're appreciated more there.

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joining the forces of an organization which has declared war on the us is becoming a traitor even if he never picked up his laminated Junior Jihadi membership badge and decoder ring.

he declared his intention to achieve "martyrdom" before he took off for al quaeda territory in yemen, so, cool, achievement unlocked. press R1 to receive 72 virgins and 18 smooth young boys. (i read your book bro, shit's creepy.)

War on terror is a euphemism like war on drugs. There are people in D.C who would love to drone bomb pot growers because they feel we are committing treason by ruining their country.

Dr. Keynes, you are easily in my top 5 posters here but on this one I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Check it out too, we did it without name calling (so far).

ginwilly said:

Hitler, Castro, Bin Laden ect all had one thing in common. They were never and are not presently citizens. We didn't even put up a fake pretense of a trial.

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And even still, OBL's execution appeared to be completely illegal as well. He could have been caught, no doubt valuable intelligence gathered, instead he was executed without trial. And yes, he deserved a trial.

Dr Kynes said:

yet we try illegal aliens when they commit crimes, they are also not citizens, but we do cover them with the protective umbrella of inalienable rights.

making war on the US is a damned fool idea for a foreigner, but if done by a US citizen, it is the only crime in the constitution and it's punishable by death, in the courts or on the battlefield. had al awalaki and al junior come along quietly, they woiuld be facing trial, instead of feeding worms.

life's tough all over. they shoulda worn a helmet

several members of the German American Bund got killed when they left for germany to jooin the nazis in ww2. should we start prosecuting the soldiers who killed them too? after all they had no trial either...

also please note, these dickbags declared war on the US, engage in war on the US, and foment war in non-hostile countries against the US. all without a uniform. under the Geneva Convention this makes them saboteurs, and spies who may be summarily executed on the battlefield with no repercussions under international law.

new shooter! place your bets!

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And when did they have a chance to even know they were supposed to be terrorists, let alone turn themselves in?

ginwilly said:

War on terror is a euphemism like war on drugs. There are people in D.C who would love to drone bomb pot growers because they feel we are committing treason by ruining their country.

Dr. Keynes, you are easily in my top 5 posters here but on this one I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Check it out too, we did it without name calling (so far).

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well we cant let that happen you degenerate leftist pinko commie!

actually the "War on Terror" is exactly like the "War on Drugs" it's just a slogan to excuse silly wasteful policies that do not serve the constitution or the people.

the "Al Quaeda War on America" is not a slogan it is their stated policy and demonstrated goal. i find no fault with the US acceding to their request for combat, and offering them a new version of the To Catch Predator home game.

it's fun for all ages.

I dunno man ... you called hin Dr. Keynes ... I must applaud the elegance of the swipe. cn

cannabineer said:

I dunno man ... you called hin Dr. Keynes ... I must applaud the elegance of the swipe. cn

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I didnt even catch that!! YOU BASTARD!!! wheres my predator drone controller?

Multiball Multiball Multiball!! Tilt? shit man im outa quarters, but ill get him next time!

OGEvilgenius said:

And when did they have a chance to even know they were supposed to be terrorists, let alone turn themselves in?

And even still, OBL's execution appeared to be completely illegal as well. He could have been caught, no doubt valuable intelligence gathered, instead he was executed without trial. And yes, he deserved a trial.

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once you join a criminal organization, even an international one you kinda know. alawaki didnt flee to yemen for his health. saudi arabia would not take him, and dubai costs too much. he washed up on yemen's shore like a dead jellyfish, and drug his family along with.

once junior uttered his desire for martyrdoom and got in the car with al banni, he tied his own noose and kicked his own chair over.

i will agree, osama bin laden should have been dragged back to the US. put on display like a prized hog, tried, convicted, and his execution televised with michael buffers as the announcer.

For the THOUSANDS in attendance, and the BILLIONS watching at home! Let's Geeet Reaaaaady to TUUUUMBLE!

just before he gets thrown off the top of the empire state building. the street below could be marked out as a target grid, and where he splats the people with that number on their raffle tickets win a prize!

you know, add some spectacle and showmanship to the whole affair.