Abraham Lincoln was a racist killer

NoDrama · Jul 9, 2015

skunkd0c said:
How many seconds will elapse before you see rolli sign in and you start crying about my signature again
in private message LOL

What does that anticipation to squeal feel like ?
bet its quite exciting

just trying to get inside the mindset of the squealer

LOL
His feelings get hurt pretty easily. Expect some kind of deranged lunatic child rapist weed baron RIU life member burns down his house and kills his walrus story to come out of Denver newscasts some time in the future.

UncleBuck · Jul 9, 2015

NoDrama said:
LOL
His feelings get hurt pretty easily. Expect some kind of deranged lunatic child rapist weed baron RIU life member burns down his house and kills his walrus story to come out of Denver newscasts some time in the future.

you've done way too much meth tonight.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
He didn't believe one should own another human being, but he did think those humans he didn't want people to own were lesser humans than whites.

correct. and scientific research of THAT time backed him up

Of course this was the same time period science backed the bleeding of a patient to cure disease

Antidisestablishmentarian · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
correct. and scientific research of THAT time backed him up

Of course this was the same time period science backed the bleeding of a patient to cure disease

While true, I've never seen anything where Lincoln is quoting science, or even saying cuz science.

It seems to me, he truly didn't think they were equal. Still, his doings and not doings(not shipping them all off to Africa, though one could make a case it didn't happen because he was assassinated before he could implement it) were better for America in the long run.

see4 · Jul 10, 2015

YAFT, 1 tiny star, for one tiny penis.

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
It seems to me, he truly didn't think they were equal. Still, his doings and not doings(not shipping them all off to Africa, though one could make a case it didn't happen because he was assassinated before he could implement it) were better for America in the long run.

wow, you're still trying to peddle that lie?

you are one committed little weasel of a racist.

he never wanted to ship black people en masse back to africa. he proposed the thought of a voluntary program where any black who wanted to could get some prime land in central america though, but he never really pursued making that happen at all.

to hear a dunce of a klanman like you try to distort and revise history like that makes me sick.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
wow, you're still trying to peddle that lie?

you are one committed little weasel of a racist.

he never wanted to ship black people en masse back to africa. he proposed the thought of a voluntary program where any black who wanted to could get some prime land in central america though, but he never really pursued making that happen at all.

to hear a dunce of a klanman like you try to distort and revise history like that makes me sick.

you are a dumb fuck.

He wanted to ship them back to Africa. Liberia to be exact

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
He wanted to ship them back to Africa. Liberia to be exact

nope. antidis even tried to post the actual document.

he wanted to give them good land in central america with full protection.

for the purpose of reconnaissance of, and a report upon the lands, and harbors of the Isthmus of Chiriqui; the fitness of the lands to the colonization of the Negro race; the practicability of connecting the said harbors by a railroad; and the works which will be necessary for the Chiriqui Company to erect to protect the colonists as they may arrive, as well as for the protection and defense of the harbors at the termini of said road.

and it was all to be voluntary.

that, in any event, steps be taken for colonizing [them] ... at some place, or places, in a climate congenial to them. It might be well to consider, too, whether the free colored people already in the United States could not, so far as individuals may desire, be included in such colonization.

and he gave up on the plan in 1863.

"I am happy that the President has sloughed off that idea of colonization."103

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
nope. antidis even tried to post the actual document.

he wanted to give them good land in central america with full protection.

for the purpose of reconnaissance of, and a report upon the lands, and harbors of the Isthmus of Chiriqui; the fitness of the lands to the colonization of the Negro race; the practicability of connecting the said harbors by a railroad; and the works which will be necessary for the Chiriqui Company to erect to protect the colonists as they may arrive, as well as for the protection and defense of the harbors at the termini of said road.

and it was all to be voluntary.

that, in any event, steps be taken for colonizing [them] ... at some place, or places, in a climate congenial to them. It might be well to consider, too, whether the free colored people already in the United States could not, so far as individuals may desire, be included in such colonization.

and he gave up on the plan in 1863.

"I am happy that the President has sloughed off that idea of colonization."103

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html

Shipping them off to Panama was also an Idea he and a friend cooked up. But Liberia was a destination he always had in mind for the FREED slaves.

I can excuse Lincolns racism as a product of his times, Just as I can excuse my own grandmothers.

abandonconflict · Jul 10, 2015

I know a lot of Garifuna and Hondureno Bay Islanders. They maintain that their ancestors were never enslaved. Not exactly related just saying.

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
Shipping them off to Panama was also an Idea he and a friend cooked up. But Liberia was a destination he always had in mind for the FREED slaves.

I can excuse Lincolns racism as a product of his times, Just as I can excuse my own grandmothers.

no, he favored central america.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
no, he favored central america.

Racism was prevalent in the Midwest in the 1850s. When Douglas tried to portray Lincoln as the friend of the blacks, Lincoln countered, as he did in a speech at Peoria, Illinois, by denying that he saw blacks as equals and by advocating the colonization of freed slaves in Liberia
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0014.204/--abraham-lincoln-and-the-politics-of-black-colonization?rgn=main;view=fulltext

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
Racism was prevalent in the Midwest in the 1850s. When Douglas tried to portray Lincoln as the friend of the blacks, Lincoln countered, as he did in a speech at Peoria, Illinois, by denying that he saw blacks as equals and by advocating the colonization of freed slaves in Liberia
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0014.204/--abraham-lincoln-and-the-politics-of-black-colonization?rgn=main;view=fulltext

what he said in a debate and what he directed the government to do as president were two different things. he directed the government to look into colonizing central america and giving it to any blacks who voluntarily chose to move there.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
what he said in a debate and what he directed the government to do as president were two different things. he directed the government to look into colonizing central america and giving it to any blacks who voluntarily chose to move there.

Since the 1840s, Lincoln, an admirer of Clay, had been an advocate of the ACS program of colonizing blacks in Liberia. Early in his presidency, Abraham Lincoln tried repeatedly to arrange resettlement of the kind the ACS supported, but each arrangement failed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society#Lincoln_and_the_ACS

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
Since the 1840s, Lincoln, an admirer of Clay, had been an advocate of the ACS program of colonizing blacks in Liberia. Early in his presidency, Abraham Lincoln tried repeatedly to arrange resettlement of the kind the ACS supported, but each arrangement failed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society#Lincoln_and_the_ACS

your own citation says he abandoned that idea by 1863 (as i said) and does not mention him doing anything as president to look into liberia as a place for colonization.

he was for central america, and only on a voluntary basis.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
your own citation says he abandoned that idea by 1863 (as i said) and does not mention him doing anything as president to look into liberia as a place for colonization.

he was for central america, and only on a voluntary basis.

Lincoln was a racist. And voluntary only means leaving the situation bad enough that they will want to leave.

UncleBuck · Jul 10, 2015

ChesusRice said:
Lincoln was a racist. And voluntary only means leaving the situation bad enough that they will want to leave.

if lincoln wanted blacks to suffer enough to leave, why did he become a proponent of black suffrage and have frederick douglass as one of his advisors?

the fact is he abandoned colonization of central america by 1863.

ChesusRice · Jul 10, 2015

UncleBuck said:
if lincoln wanted blacks to suffer enough to leave, why did he become a proponent of black suffrage and have frederick douglass as one of his advisors?

the fact is he abandoned colonization of central america by 1863.

Frédéric Douglas didn't like Lincoln

Rob Roy · Jul 10, 2015

Pinworm said:
OP has a tiny, hairy pecker.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2015

ChesusRice said:
correct. and scientific research of THAT time backed him up

Of course this was the same time period science backed the bleeding of a patient to cure disease

Just because there was bloodletting doesn't mean all the science from that era was wrong.

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