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Jointsmith

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No, I don't mean money and materialism. I mean exactly what I said, work and achievement.

With work and achievement, the money comes, as does material wealth.

Tell me, Jointsmith ... what is the difference between an ordinary worker and a craftsman? Do you have any idea?

Vi
Yes I know where 'money' comes from (do you?), but the work and achievement is not what is being obsessed over.

When a banker or a lawyer decides on a profession, what is their obsession? hard work? Achievement? hmmm....or could there be some other motive....

A craftsman is someone who has found their Talent, calling, passion, whatever you want to call it, their individual Gift to the world. (at least someone who is able to practice it)

An ordinary worker is someone forced by circumstance (in the modern sense a need for money, to live) to labour at a task they gain little or no enjoyment from.

Do you really think a majority of people in your country become monetarily wealthy by being a 'craftsman' as you put it? I think we both know thats not true.
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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No, I don't mean money and materialism. I mean exactly what I said, work and achievement.

With work and achievement, the money comes, as does material wealth.

Tell me, Jointsmith ... what is the difference between an ordinary worker and a craftsman? Do you have any idea?

Vi
The craftsmen were done in by the Industrial Revolution, despite the Luddite's best efforts?
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Yes I know where 'money' comes from (do you?), but the work and achievement is not what is being obsessed over.

When a banker or a lawyer decides on a profession, what is their obsession? hard work? Achievement? hmmm....or could there be some other motive....

A craftsman is someone who has found their Talent, calling, passion, whatever you want to call it, their individual Gift to the world. (at least someone who is able to practice it)

An ordinary worker is someone forced by circumstance (in the modern sense a need for money, to live) to labour at a task they gain little or no enjoyment from.

Do you really think a majority of people in your country become monetarily wealthy by being a 'craftsman' as you put it? I think we both know thats not true.
Let's see, intelligent craftsman are called Engineers.

Engineers are AFFLUENT

AFFLUENT for those of you on the left who think it's some kind of horrible disease that must be stamped out, means that they are making a comfortable living.

There's a lot of different types of engineers (aka: ' intelligent craftsman')

Chemists
Electrical Engineers (Electricians)
Electronics Engineers
Software Engineers
Computer Engineers
Weapons Engineers
Civil Engineers
Architects
...

So on and so forth.

Thank you for proving your idiocy jointsmith.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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What about sanitation engineers?
Lol, they probably make a comfortable living, too. Otherwise who'd want to be a sanitation engineer? I mean, dealing with other people's garbage?

Luckily there's people like me, who deal with political garbage (beliefs of most Bureaucrats and Statists) for free. Otherwise no one would be around to call BS when a Politician opens their mouth.
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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You'd love my city. I've been saying for years that the answer to our economic woes would be turning our City-County building into a living history exhibit, since they have managed to preserve a 19th century Democrat patronage machine, without the cholera and itchy clothes.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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You'd love my city. I've been saying for years that the answer to our economic woes would be turning our City-County building into a living history exhibit, since they have managed to preserve a 19th century Democrat patronage machine, without the cholera and itchy clothes.
:-), sounds like just about every city in the country.

Though there are some where after a hiatus the machines like Tammany Hall are being rebuilt by groups like ACORN.
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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They just recently passed a law that makes landlords liable for their tenant's behavior and another (against State Constitution) that makes a felony out of not reporting a lost or stolen firearm within 48 hours.
As a longtime renter, onetime squatter and person of mostly Irish extraction, I have a dim view of landlords (and some good jokes about them), but that's insane.
My favorite landlord joke:
A Irish priest was giving a sermon on the evils of whiskey. He said "Whiskey is evil. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor, makes you unfaithful to your spouse, makes you shoot at your landlord, and makes you miss."
 

TheBrutalTruth

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They just recently passed a law that makes landlords liable for their tenant's behavior and another (against State Constitution) that makes a felony out of not reporting a lost or stolen firearm within 48 hours.
As a longtime renter, onetime squatter and person of mostly Irish extraction, I have a dim view of landlords (and some good jokes about them), but that's insane.
My favorite landlord joke:
A Irish priest was giving a sermon on the evils of whiskey. He said "Whiskey is evil. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor, makes you unfaithful to your spouse, makes you shoot at your landlord, and makes you miss."
That's idiotic. How can a land lord possibly know what is going on in properties they own 100% of the time? Hell, there's probably laws on the books meant to discourage them from even monitoring what tenants do in public areas of the properties, and now crap like this.

Do Democrats ever think, or do they just pass laws with out looking at earlier laws on the books to determine if a law could be repealed to accomplish their goals?
 

ResistanceIsFertile

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That's idiotic. How can a land lord possibly know what is going on in properties they own 100% of the time? Hell, there's probably laws on the books meant to discourage them from even monitoring what tenants do in public areas of the properties, and now crap like this.

Do Democrats ever think, or do they just pass laws with out looking at earlier laws on the books to determine if a law could be repealed to accomplish their goals?
The only surprise is that they haven't set up some kind of toll free anonymous tip line.

They admit ahead of time that the first time they use their new laws that they will likely be appealed and overturned, but they pass them anyway. It's especially harsh on older folks who don't own enough properties to justify the employment of a full time super.

The logical next step is to hold parents and guardians responsible for the behavior of their grown children.

City tosses strikes at some landlords
Warns of penalties for disruptive activity
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
City property owners who house drug dealers and users, public drunks, bad neighbors or runaway dogs should watch their mailboxes. Mayor Luke Ravenstahl may have just fired a warning shot across your bow.
Late last week, the city sent 39 letters to owners of properties at which "disruptive activities" have been cited since October. The letters announce first -- or in one case, second -- strikes against the owners. A third strike could get the property listed as disruptive, and subject the owner to invoices for future public safety calls.
"I think it represents a good start and something that clearly shows that we're serious about taking back our neighborhoods," Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said yesterday. "Forceful action was necessary, and I think that's what we're trying to implement."
Some of the subject property owners weren't happy.
"Are we big brother now?" asked Charles Yanders, a landlord who was sent a letter about a liquor violation at his building at 714 Cedar Ave., in East Allegheny. "With that particular building, we've had problems with people who don't even live there damaging the locks, being in the building, being in the hallways. ... You can have people actually vandalizing your property, and if you call the police about people who don't even live there, they're going to log that against you?"
Each letter included an appeal form, and Mr. Yanders said he would be filling one out. Appeals go to a new five-member panel.
The letters mark the city's first use of an ordinance passed in late 2007 that, along with ongoing registration of rental housing, is meant to give public safety officials a better handle on neighborhood quality of life. The city now tracks the locations of a slew of summonses, citations and arrests, and aide Maria Bethel screens them and begins the enforcement process. If the city sees three disruptive incidents in 60 days, the property owner can be told to submit an abatement plan, or get a bill the next time police, firefighters, building inspectors or animal control officers have to come around.
The first round of letters will be followed by weekly batches, said Public Safety Director Michael Huss.
By ZIP code, the largest number of letters -- seven -- are related to disruptions in 15204, which includes Sheraden, Esplen, Chartiers City and Windgap. The runner-up ZIP code is 15210, which includes Carrick and the Hilltop neighborhoods above South Side, with five disruptive acts.
Fourteen of the 39 letters cited drug, alcohol or paraphernalia-related violations, and three listed gun crimes.
Surprises in the first salvo include the prevalence of loose dog complaints -- they make up 18 of the 39 disruptive acts -- and the number of apparently owner-occupied properties getting the warning.
Dog violations are prevalent because they're easy to prove, said Public Safety Director Michael Huss. "Once we get that dog and someone shows up to get that dog, then of course it's very clear, we know who it belongs to, and a citation is issued," he said.
Drug cases, by contrast, involve a lengthier process that would delay the sending of a disruptive property action.
Kathleen Wrigley, the subject of a city letter for the Nov. 14 escape of her dog from her Greenfield Avenue home, called the city's warning to her "ridiculous" and said the city should be focusing its efforts elsewhere.
"We do have a contained yard for her. She just likes to run around the block," she said. "There's enough disruption that goes on in our neighborhood, such as drugs, and people not paying attention to the traffic signs."
Ben Ferris, though, had no problem with getting a letter triggered by the December escape of his St. Bernard, Bernie, from his Brookline yard.
"I put a lock on my gate now," he said. "Three times and you're out? That seems fair to me."
The only person to get a second strike was Susanna Liberty, a South Side Slopes resident, whose dogs got loose twice, according to the city letters.
Though the disruptive properties ordinance has been viewed in large measure as a way of getting at absentee landlords, more than half of the properties involved in the initial letters are apparently owner-occupied.
"At first glance, I was surprised by it as well," said Mr. Ravenstahl. "Why that is, I'm not necessarily sure, but if you're in violation, you're in violation, if you're not, you're not."
Landlord groups have criticized city government for measures including the disruptive properties ordinance and a new $12-per-unit fee. Some are considering lawsuits to stop the measures.
"Those numbers dispel that feeling of landlords being targeted," the mayor said. "Our goal is to clean up the city. Our goal is to have good quality neighborhoods."
Rich Lord can be reached at rlord@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1542.
First published on February 18, 2009 at 12:00 am
 
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