ADVANCED NUTRIENTS: Jungle Juice!
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I laughed at the comment about quality control. advanced nutrients are unregulated, therefor they have horrible quality. their nutes have so much heavy metal in them they are banned to sell in some states. check yourself - https://apps4.cdfa.ca.gov/FertilizerProducts/
Shithousechef
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I am a fan of an products and am using the two part coco jungle juice and they're over drive is definitely a product that you see results.
TonightYou
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Fuck this noise and stop buying into marketing. AN acts as if cannabis needs some special formula. Ironically this means over priced, multiple bottles containing mostly water.
This plant right here, grown using Jacks, cost less than a approximately $0.50 to grow. That's how I roll.
This plant right here, grown using Jacks, cost less than a approximately $0.50 to grow. That's how I roll.
Growerguy420
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I am right there with you bro...jacks is all you need to grow gigantic tasty nugs. It's amazing how many people here buy into this bullshit...these nutrient companies have people whipped...
budman111
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Like the swelling in the last two weeks results? OBEM
TonightYou
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So true. These fools have more money than sense. They also seem to ignore or understand basic botany
Growerguy420
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That's exactly correct...we should really just make a topic in the forum called jacks - the thread for people who actually understand basic botany. This will weed out all of these AN and GH loving drones from coming and bitching that their leafs are yellow in week 3 of flower and don't understand why. It's all these shit canna specific nute companies that decided pot is somehow different than all other plants and therefore must have special nutrients to grow and then brainwashed ever sucker here to believe this and charge them exorbitant amounts of money for their liquid bat shit garbage with a fancy label except for you me and uncle ben. If they weren't all such money grubbing whores they wouldn't provide only liquid nutrients because they are selling you mostly water which not to mention just crystallizes if not used quickly therefore forcing these idiots to have to go out and buy another bottle of bloom boosting poo-poo juice. If cannabis really requires a canna specific nutrient then why am I able to grow massive sized colas with a nutrient designed and marketed by the manufacturer to grow citrus fruits...like TonightYou said each plant costs me less than $.50 cents worth of nutrients. I've grown pounds upon pounds for less than the one single bottle of bat guano garbage. Oh yea and with no poo-poo laden jungle juice in my soil I never have to flush it to make sure it doesn't taste like the burrito that came out during my Monday morning shit. Go ask your local fruit and vegetable farmer if they flush their plants before harvest and see what their reaction is to you...and with that do you ever have complaints about the taste of your tomatoes or apples? I think not.
TonightYou
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Exactly. That's what I find weird with people buying this type of gear. They spend all this money on separated nutes, containing mostly water. Then believe that you need to have a schedule (learn how to read your plants, it isn't fucking hard) for all these "applications". Next thing you know they are wondering why their plants look like hell, or are "flushing" to try and fix their fuck up. Almost all these problems can be avoided by just using a simple, balanced fertilizer.
Just makes no sense.
Growerguy420
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Yep it's quite astonishing. Yes another valid point which I neglected to point out which is the fact that these companies break out their formulas into 47 different bottles just furthers the fact that they are shitty money grubbing whores. They could just as easily put it all in one bottle and make it powder form just like jacks as to not completely assrape their oh so loyal brainwashed followers but no they'd rather bend all of you over fuck you up the ass take your money and leave you donkey chained to the bed. Because if you put it in one bottle and made it powder that wouldn't be acceptable cannabis growing nutrients because that would be too economical I.e. Their way of tricking everyone of these people into believing that they are selling something different and better than $9.99 jacks feed. More bottles plus liquid form means they can force you to buy more of their water juices.
TonightYou
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That is a very good point. Most of those extracts could be evaporated down and sold as a powder for mix at home. Makes no sense. Well it makes sense to the company as their largest expense is probably the bottles themselves and the water they mix in. Either way, the reason many people have fucked up plants is because they are not paying attention or understanding what a plant needs. I don't feed my plants on a schedule, I also don't push as much fertilizer on them as possible. All one gets from that is an eventual imbalance and troubleshooting. I can tell which plants want what and when, but most of the time simply feeding them regular, low amounts will get the job done.
With Jacks you have to try to over fertilize with most plants. Although if people wanted to make things more complicated for themselves, they should at least understand why pushing 1200ppm on a plant with an imbalanced ratio will cause problems with other nutrient needs. Yet go in the plant help or general/noob thread and these mistakes are made ad nauseum
Growerguy420
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Yep, they're buying water (which we can all get for free) as well as some powdered nutrients that the company mixes for you as if you're to stupid to mix it in yourself and most importantly you are buying that plastic bottle with the fancy graphics on it...guarantee you most of these companies actually spend more time on developing the graphics then they do developing the product. It's a shame....I mean fuck sake...look at the names these pathetic companies come up with...jungle juice, sweet raw, overdrive, tiger bloom. Where the fuck does one associate a tiger with growing plants? The names and the graphics on these bottles are such a joke I have no respect for any of these companies as they are simply just taking candy from a room full of severely mentally retarded children and all seem to be proud to continue doing it.
Shithousechef
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I have used gh and really don't like the product. I haven't come on here to put anyone down so I would like the same. My normal feed is a mix of botanicare and an. I never claimed anything but that it works for me. I'm not part of the above though put down situation. If you're not constantly learning, you're lame...I have a long way to go yes but growers who have rude remarks and no love the weed mentality I have no time for. If you want to be helpful then I'll take you into consideration. My next round will be all organic. I'm sure someone will have some negative to that as well. To each their own but let's support a kind environment 
A p a light of og isn't anything to cry about... So I'm not crying
A p a light of og isn't anything to cry about... So I'm not crying
Shithousechef
Member
I do
it shows when you use it and my og doesn't get the same late swell when I have skipped it.. It's my favorite thing!
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Shithousechef
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I am not a botanist... I just love my plants but am open to learn if anyone would like to switch their rudeness to helpfulness
TonightYou
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I'm all about learning. Everyday is another day to learn more about the fascinating world around me. And I have nothing to knock on organics as I use to have an organic vegetable garde . Absolutely loved doing it, and would go back to it one day when I have the space.
My issue is with people not understanding how plants work, falling for marketing and not doing research. I see so many preventative problems that are due to over complications and shitty products. And I'm not going to hold someones hand and be all loves and hugs about it.
I've gotten several PMs asking me about my routine and switching to something better (Jacks isn't the only one, but it's one I know best). I've answered every single one of them as we are a community and I'm here to help and learn just as everyone else is. But if someone wants to fall for some hyped names, questionable ingredients and refusing to understand basic botany, I'm not going to simply not contribute where I can. I wish I didn't waste my time on "cannabis nutes", money thrown away too. For some reason I threw out what I already knew for snake oil salesman.
Many people have helped me, and will in the future I'm sure. I'm here to help where I see fit.
Eta: I'm not a botanist either, but I've studied enough where I understand what's taking place where and when as well as what a plant needs. It isn't hard by any stretch, but I do have an affinity for learning
My issue is with people not understanding how plants work, falling for marketing and not doing research. I see so many preventative problems that are due to over complications and shitty products. And I'm not going to hold someones hand and be all loves and hugs about it.
I've gotten several PMs asking me about my routine and switching to something better (Jacks isn't the only one, but it's one I know best). I've answered every single one of them as we are a community and I'm here to help and learn just as everyone else is. But if someone wants to fall for some hyped names, questionable ingredients and refusing to understand basic botany, I'm not going to simply not contribute where I can. I wish I didn't waste my time on "cannabis nutes", money thrown away too. For some reason I threw out what I already knew for snake oil salesman.
Many people have helped me, and will in the future I'm sure. I'm here to help where I see fit.
Eta: I'm not a botanist either, but I've studied enough where I understand what's taking place where and when as well as what a plant needs. It isn't hard by any stretch, but I do have an affinity for learning
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I used GH 3-part and it worked really well. (I followed the so-called "useless" schedule.). Got tired of the tedium of 3 bottles, paying the supply-chain cost of water.
You mentioned organic. I went the same direction. I wasn't enthused with the prospect of baking my own soil, brewing teas, etc. I considered the "boutique" lineups from General Organics, Roots Organic, etc. But, those seemed like gouging again. Just didn't feel right to me the same way GH's "lineup" didn't (although I only used 3-part. I didn't go in for all the other products on the "schedule."). Also read these products don't produce as well as true (DIY?) organic.
Anyway, I settled on Grow More Sea Grow. It contains organic sources, dry, and inexpensive like the often touted Jack's Classic. It costs about $1 per plant. I immediately tasted the richer/deeper taste organic people talk about.
The only problem I had was feeding too much, leading to salt build up and acidic soil. After cutting back, everything's working perfect. It took me a long time to figure that out because I was use to GH 3-part's more immediate response to overfeeding. With Sea Grow (any organic nutrient?) it may not manifest itself as burnt tips, just a slow acidification.
You might try that. It's cheap, not a big buy-in to try it. It's a nice in-between (between Jack's Classic and full-blown organic). Nobody would accuse Grow More of being an over-hyped rip-off.
You rarely hear of them, and their web site seems to be geared more toward large-scale farming than hobbyists.
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Have you considered condensing your advice into a blog (the Grow Journal at this site)? Write once, read many. I did that with what I learned (and implemented) about the new Cree LED "lightbulbs." (<<link, as example.). Saves a lot of time reposting the same info. I'll do that with Grow More after I've used it more.
It's nice to be able to post a link and say "this is everything I know on the topic" and let people enrich themselves as they see fit. Also nice that I can perpetually edit that resource as my knowledge increases. If someone sees the link above four months from now, they'll get my latest awareness -- not what I knew today.
TonightYou
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I won't get into the whole "organics taste better", because I find it to be bullshit. Even studies shown with non cannabis related produce there is no difference and people claiming they could tell... well couldn't when tested.
Organic when done right (locally and ethically sourced) is better than my beloved Jacks as it isn't using petrochemical based fertilizers. But if you are shipping in bat guano from some cave, destroying habitats, and shipping a plastic bottle halfway around the world, I personally don't believe it to be any better from the ethical/locally sourced.
Organic when done right (locally and ethically sourced) is better than my beloved Jacks as it isn't using petrochemical based fertilizers. But if you are shipping in bat guano from some cave, destroying habitats, and shipping a plastic bottle halfway around the world, I personally don't believe it to be any better from the ethical/locally sourced.
TonightYou
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No but perhaps I should. I feel others do a great job and I already have so many of those already. Perhaps I'll sit down and do some writing for a post, inviting others who are also much more knowledgeable than I to contribute for those interested. Thanks for the idea.