Advanced Nutrients Rhinoskin - Anybody used it?

im4satori

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there where some statements that where ridiculous and some reasonable misconceptions based on myth

the high times article @Dr. Who posted said it best

in my experience;

adding silica to soil will have less of an effect then adding it to a hydro style grow likely from the buffering ability of the plant while in soil...where in hydro you've a bit more ability to force feed

in soil I see no reason to be adding silica to soil unless your in need of additional K or your soil is depleted in silica because you've not recycled it in eons

in hydro adding an adequate amount of silica to create a response is usually or almost always prohibited by the ph increase associated with that high of an amount of silica added to a reservoir

foliar feeding silicate is bar far the best option and creates the most significant response

foliar feeding will actually provide additionally added benefits you don't get from root applications not yet mentioned (unless I missed it)

I mix 1.25 grams of potassium silicate powder and 1/2 oz to 1 oz neem oil or azamax to 1 gallon water

spray away
this not only provides the added benefits of silica but it also protects against insects and powder mildew

it works by the same method as another well known product called green cure in its ability to control mildew
green cure is basically ph up and soap
it works by spraying the surface of the plant with a solution with a very high ph that will inhibit mildew growth.... along with the soap

potassium silicate can be used in the same way... the silica raises the ph and the neem acts like a sticker and protects against insects making it more effective as a broader spectrum pest management system than green cure alone.....plus you get the benefits of the silica at high enough levels to make a noticeable visual impact on growth

keeping the silica product out of the root zone will make lockout issues related to the cation between potassium magnesium and calcium, it will eliminate the ph issues associated with the reservoir

things I read that I find to be incorrect

silica doesn't directly increase yield in pot in my experience
(but studies have shown it does increase yields in some plants such as rice when used at extremely high levels)

it doesn't create more dense buds

silica doesn't make weed burn better... that's just silly

silica doesn't eliminate bugs but it might make your plants more resilient to death or slowed growth if bugs are munching on them

it does help with drought tolerance

and it will make your stems more turgid
it does make the branches more turgid and difficult to bend without snapping the branches if used frequently over a long period or if used in large amounts ... there may or may not be some argument that it will help support larger colas and I would agree with that statement ... but it can also make it more difficult to do LST if its required

the reason why the bottle liquid fertilizers sold by "brands" is shady is because

they take a few grams of a basic mineral, add it to water and market it with false claims and sell it for outrages amounts of money to consumers many of whom are suffering from chronic illness

don't get caught up in the hype and advertising

if you want to use it the way I do
this is the product I use
https://customhydronutrients.com/potassium-silicate-fertilizer-c-1_60_68.html?zenid=e70aa5b2590859a512afb45378554af2

one pound of this will produce 4 gallons of silica blast

I believe 1 gram per gallon of potassium silicate powder is close to equal to 1 oz per gallon silica blast in the Si content

silica as a foliar spray is a staple in my garden and I would say its one of the best additives
but I only subscrribe to a few potential additives

when I say "additive" to me by definition that means something not required or even needed, so you can grow great weed without it

I would suggest aminos in veg on a rare occasion , kelp, and silica all of which are foliar fed
enzymes
and mycos and bacteria if in soil

that's about it
I get much of that from
kelp4less.com

and there products are far superior and cost less compared to the liquids offered at the hydro store

I also like ot spray on occasion with peters micro mix s.t.e.m.
at 0.1 gram per gallon

https://customhydronutrients.com/soluble-trace-element-mix-c-1_50_51_32.html?zenid=ec62e0211439998c7914bd7e3408f07a
 
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since1991

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Good post. And similar to what I do. All through veg and early flowering I foliar spray every 5 to 7 days kelp, soy protein hydrolysate (amino acid), fulvic acid, & yucca for the sticker. Every third spray its cold pressed neem oil (or Azamax) with yucca. From your post suggestions I will start adding potassium silicate to the third spray as well. The kelp/amino/fulvic/yucca I've been doing for years. Most of my tall lanky strains I can get really compact and bushy witj multiple tops which translates to increased yields with less canopy management (and less plants) in flower. Topped once or twice in veg but with this foliar spray it looks like I topped 5 or 10 times. By far the most dramatic additive Ive ever used and Ive tried them all. And the neem/yucca every third spray keeps critters and spot powered mold away. I will add silica to this from now on. All I use in my solution tanks is a full profile base nutrient. Veg + Bloom Soft to be exact. And all these organic foliar biostimulants I too get in dry powder form from kelp4less. Really cheap and lasts quite a few runs. About a years worth. I stopped buying pricey additives at the hydroponic shop except for a few things like Azamax or Neem oil and my pH calibration sachets. Way overpriced for what is actually in those hydro shop bottles...mostly water. Back in the before time...we had none of those additives. And as a whole...there were very few hydroponic nutrient brands. We still grew awesome smoke. P/k Bloom boosters and calmag supplements are the biggest joke. Your base feed should have all of those minerals covered.
 
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im4satori

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Good post. And similar to what I do. All through veg and early flowering I foliar spray every 5 to 7 days kelp, soy protein hydrolysate (amino acid), fulvic acid, & yucca for the sticker. Every third spray its cold pressed neem oil (or Azamax) with yucca. From your post suggestions I will start adding potassium silicate to the third spray as well. The kelp/amino/fulvic/yucca I've been doing for years. Most of my tall lanky strains I can get really compact and bushy witj multiple tops which translates to increased yields with less canopy management (and less plants) in flower. Topped once or twice in veg but with this foliar spray it looks like I topped 5 or 10 times. By far the most dramatic additive Ive ever used and Ive tried them all. And the neem/yucca every third spray keeps critters and spot powered mold away. I will add silica to this from now on. All I use in my solution tanks is a full profile base nutrient. Veg + Bloom Soft to be exact. And all these organic foliar biostimulants I too get in dry powder form from kelp4less. Really cheap and lasts quite a few runs. About a years worth. I stopped buying pricey additives at the hydroponic shop except for a few things like Azamax or Neem oil and my pH calibration sachets. Way overpriced for what is actually in those hydro shop bottles...mostly water. Back in the before time...we had none of those additives. And as a whole...there were very few hydroponic nutrient brands. We still grew awesome smoke. P/k Bloom boosters and calmag supplements are the biggest joke. Your base feed should have all of those minerals covered.
oh

ya man I forgot fulvic acid for sure

id be careful combining the silica with all that
im just not sure

ive added kelp with my mix with no issues but ive not done it with all those together
I suppose if its done in the proper ratios its safe

the silica rate I suggested is high (kinda hot) so it will treat for PM with the high Ph result
if your not trying to use it as a PM preventative you could easily use less silica to be safe when combining that many things together and work your way up to see whats safe

which silica product do you have?
if you give me the % amount listed on your product I can tell you what the equivalent dose is that im using with the powder
 
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since1991

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oh

ya man I forgot fulvic acid for sure

id be careful combining the silica with all that
im just not sure

ive added kelp with my mix with no issues but ive not done it with all those together
I suppose if its done in the proper ratios its safe

the silica rate I suggested is high (kinda hot) so it will treat for PM with the high Ph result
if your not trying to use it as a PM preventative you could easily use less silica to be safe when combining that many things together and work your way up to see whats safe

which silica product do you have?
if you give me the % amount listed on your product I can tell you what the equivalent dose is that im using with the powder
I dont have any on hand now. I was going to incorporate it with the every third spray of just neem yucca . First and second (all these sprays are every 5 to 7 days) is kelp, fulvic, amino, and yucca. I had planned on getting the Agsil Potassium Silicate. In the past I have used Europonic brand (HDI - Ionic etc.) Silicate which is 11% 0-0-5. At 2 ml. per gallon. But I havent bought any in awhile. Iam going with the much cheaper Agsil soon.
 
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Gumdrawp

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Good post. And similar to what I do. All through veg and early flowering I foliar spray every 5 to 7 days kelp, soy protein hydrolysate (amino acid), fulvic acid, & yucca for the sticker. Every third spray its cold pressed neem oil (or Azamax) with yucca. From your post suggestions I will start adding potassium silicate to the third spray as well. The kelp/amino/fulvic/yucca I've been doing for years. Most of my tall lanky strains I can get really compact and bushy witj multiple tops which translates to increased yields with less canopy management (and less plants) in flower. Topped once or twice in veg but with this foliar spray it looks like I topped 5 or 10 times. By far the most dramatic additive Ive ever used and Ive tried them all. And the neem/yucca every third spray keeps critters and spot powered mold away. I will add silica to this from now on. All I use in my solution tanks is a full profile base nutrient. Veg + Bloom Soft to be exact. And all these organic foliar biostimulants I too get in dry powder form from kelp4less. Really cheap and lasts quite a few runs. About a years worth. I stopped buying pricey additives at the hydroponic shop except for a few things like Azamax or Neem oil and my pH calibration sachets. Way overpriced for what is actually in those hydro shop bottles...mostly water. Back in the before time...we had none of those additives. And as a whole...there were very few hydroponic nutrient brands. We still grew awesome smoke. P/k Bloom boosters and calmag supplements are the biggest joke. Your base feed should have all of those minerals covered.
You can replace the yucca with silica in your neem spray instead. Silica acts as a surfactant I'm pretty sure. At the very least it's an emulsifier for neem. I try to keep my sprays simple, I find mixing too much usually has adverse effects like the silica precipitating out etc. I spray twice a week, once with kelp fulvic and silica and once with a calcium based spray with added microbes and triacontinol depending on where my plants are in their growth cycles. Sometimes I'll foliar with kelp both times too if I'm concerned about micronutrients.

Edit: kelp alfalfa meal ewc and molasses in tea with your choice of innoculant is a nice foliar.
 

I'mBatman

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A.N. Rhino Skin is the replacement product for barricade. It has a fantastic Potassium Silicate content. 0-0-13. This is a very in expensive additive which increases plant cell wall size and helps plants deal with stress.

What do we mean by stress? Well it is pretty simple, if plants are over exposed to heat, experienced draught or had to deal with a pest infestation, these various types of stress can really affect a plant's health. But with stronger cell walls, the plant can survive such stressful senarios.

Use in the vegetative state but cut out 2 to 3 weeks prior to harvest.

This is part of Advanced's new line of nutrients where ph does not need to be adjusted.


I have a prob with my room..the temp is very difficult to into the 70s..its usually between 80-90.

I watched a video on youtube talking about heat in rooms and the guy mentions this from AN.

Anybody used it before?

Im waiting on my hydrometer/turbo yeast so I can make co2...Im sure I read on RIU that the plants take in more co2 when the temp is in the 80s (i think 82 is optimum)
YouTube The Grow Boss. He'll be live in the morning n will tell you, it's all the same shit. NPK is NPK. they can package it a hundred different ways but it's still the same shit.
 

Gumdrawp

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YouTube - LOL
The guy he's referring to is a bigger lol. While he's knowledgeable he way oversimplifies things. and since people believe everything on the internet now I've seen a few people get themselves in some bad situations following his advice(several on the newbie forum here recently). But his mantra is great for beginners as he almost exclusively pushes the k.i.s.s. methodology.
 

im4satori

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You can replace the yucca with silica in your neem spray instead. Silica acts as a surfactant I'm pretty sure. At the very least it's an emulsifier for neem. I try to keep my sprays simple, I find mixing too much usually has adverse effects like the silica precipitating out etc. I spray twice a week, once with kelp fulvic and silica and once with a calcium based spray with added microbes and triacontinol depending on where my plants are in their growth cycles. Sometimes I'll foliar with kelp both times too if I'm concerned about micronutrients.

Edit: kelp alfalfa meal ewc and molasses in tea with your choice of innoculant is a nice foliar.
you've seen calcium25 product I assume?
 

im4satori

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Im just throwing shit against the wall im not really sure if it sticks but;

would it be a good guess to say the synthetic options for triacon. would be more concentrated in tricontinol

I know when you buy it in powder and mix it youself its done at doses of ppm... like maybe 2ppm or something

im not sure you could get 2ppm per gallon of triac. from an alfalfa tea unless it was extremely hot in npk

having said that;
im also using alfalfa meal at the moment...
 

Gumdrawp

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Im just throwing shit against the wall im not really sure if it sticks but;

would it be a good guess to say the synthetic options for triacon. would be more concentrated in tricontinol

I know when you buy it in powder and mix it youself its done at doses of ppm... like maybe 2ppm or something

im not sure you could get 2ppm per gallon of triac. from an alfalfa tea unless it was extremely hot in npk

having said that;
im also using alfalfa meal at the moment...
I mean in tea form sure, but I also make fpe with em-1 for the few weeks I think I need the extra boost. I trade the excess with some friends that grow for favors like borrowing extraction equipment and using their vac ovens and stuff. They seem to think it works pretty well. Although I definitely couldn't give an exact ppm.
 
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