Advanced Nutrients Vs House and Garden Vs GH : RESULTS ARE IN !

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yocinfluence said:
The products are suposed to be used in a set that's what you guys fail to realize. YES IT COSTS MORE. But it gets better results... Everyone knows you cant grow plants on additive alone but when they are meant to be used with a set and u don't use them of course you are not going to get the results expected. I've gone through tons of nutrients and i think the gh base nutes are just fine and i do use them for my outdoor (cause they are cheap and effective) but to base ur experiment solely on that and to write off AN and House and Garden is stupid. Use the whole sets and compare them then we will see who comes out on top. As a base nutrient line comparison ok... as a nutrient line comparison this doesn't work..
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What is actually in those additives that you're using that is making such a difference?
 
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homebrewer said:
What is actually in those additives that you're using that is making such a difference?
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TONS of stuff. I have been around the block. I have used tons of similar items from all different companies. They all have what they are good at is all I'm saying. GH is good at price. House and Garden & AN have good additives. I'm not gonna spend an hour listing ingredients from labels nor do I expect you. I'm just saying dont detour people from great products like House and Gardens root excelurator, their multizyme, algen, bud xl, and shooting powder. Or AN's Bud Blood or big bud. Also, AN's scientist has made his own company http://www.nutri-plus.ca/ and sells nutrients cheaper then AN that give the same great results.
 
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homebrewer said:
It won't take you an hour to list what is in them that is, in your eyes, making your plants perform better. So, how about that list?
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To list the ingredients yes.... Your so interested look them up i listed some of the products. I've done my research trust me. I've used products and compared them to other brands equivilents and i've found what works good. look up some reviews for these products instead of just trying to argue for the sake of argueing. And I'm not saying only AN and house and garden have good products... I use different ones because I found what has worked best so far. I also like bloom ooze its some really good stuff.
 
homebrewer

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yocinfluence said:
To list the ingredients yes.... Your so interested look them up i listed some of the products. I've done my research trust me. I've used products and compared them to other brands equivilents and i've found what works good. look up some reviews for these products instead of just trying to argue for the sake of argueing. And I'm not saying only AN and house and garden have good products... I use different ones because I found what has worked best so far. I also like bloom ooze its some really good stuff.
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I can look them up and I can see what is in them. But I'm asking you to tell us what you *think* is making your plants do better; ingredient-wise.
 
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homebrewer said:
I can look them up and I can see what is in them. But I'm asking you to tell us what you *think* is making your plants do better; ingredient-wise.
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I'm not a scientist nor do they list all the ingredients. But I've used a wide variety of products and some do work better then their cheaper counter parts. Also like to suggest to people botanicare silica, Cal/mag and humbolt honey. Also you shouldn't be disrespectful and say "think". Your the one thinking and hasn't used most these products nor there counterparts.
 
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lucas formula kills all comp with floralicous bloom some microbes and malasys .. GO GH GO GH GO GO GH GO GH GO

MAXI CROP IS LIKE powdered lucas not sure with the maxi but with lucas absolutely no ph adjusting needed
 
AbsoluteChron

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The spread of knowledge is rooted in observation.


Realistically, controlling every variable for something like this is completely unrealistic. This is a fair experiment because everything was very clearly documented. Of course running full nutrient lines against eachother would be great as well, but don't try to take away from experiments like this that isolate individual products. Imagine if every single poster in this forum ran similar experiments. The poor performers and the stand outs would become pretty obvious. I think it is quite reasonable to believe in the possibility that picking and choosing the best products of each respective nutrient type from multiple manufacturers may give you better results than any single line.
 
homebrewer

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yocinfluence said:
I'm not a scientist nor do they list all the ingredients. But I've used a wide variety of products and some do work better then their cheaper counter parts.
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You may in-fact not be a scientist, but they DO list everything that is in there if it's over a certain amount. If it's over a certain amount, the law says they have to list it, it's called the 'Guaranteed Analysis'. But I get what you're saying. You add stuff and you don't know why but it seems to make things better. Fair enough. Maybe this isn't the right conversation to have with you. For the sake of being a better grower, I'd challenge you to learn about the plant essentials and learn the basics of 'how to read the back of the nute bottle'. You're adding additives blindly based on trail and error? Growers who know what they're doing do not just add stuff for the sake of making a nute schedule more complicated.

To tie this in with the thread topic, adding an additive only works if your base nute line is either incomplete or your plants can handle more. Adding Super XL Bud Juice during weeks 2-5 will only burn your plants if your plants are already getting what they need. Maybe it won't burn your plants because it has nothing in it that your plants can use under healthy growing conditions. Look at what you're adding. Read your labels. Learn. When you get a rough grasp on plant nutrition, you'll quickly see what a scam most of those bottles are and better understand a base-nute comparison experiment. It will also enable you to answer the simple question that I asked you.
 
homebrewer

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yocinfluence said:
Ur a complete idiot... Seriously I tried to keep calm but you want to treat me like I'm a piece of shit that hasn't grown before. I oviously have an idea of what the products contain dipshit or i wouldn't be able to substitute different brands without fucking up. I've used some of gh's inferior products and compared them yet u haven't and want to talk shit. I do buy some stuff because its cheaper but does the same thing why do you think this? Becuase im stupid and don't know what each product does? seriously you can take your cocky know it all attitude and shove it up your ass go do some research then come back and talk prick.

Just cause i don't feel like spending a fuckin hour listing ingredients makes me a shitty grower? Bud+ has over 20 ingredients in it alone + i use like 10 products... now to take each little fuckin item they put in and analyze it i don't have time to do and i left it to the professionals. I've seen with my own eyes the products working yet you want to knock it without knowing anything about it.
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I asked you a simple question and you couldn't answer it. Not because you didn't want to take the time to type or cut and paste the ingredients, it's because you do not know what you're adding and why it is or isn't helping your plants. That is why you do not understand this comparison. I wish I could explain it better but the easiest thing for you to do is learn about simple plant nutrition. 20 Ingredients? Really? There are only 17 essentials so what are you paying extra for? Oh yeah, I already forgot that you don't know.

If a couple of pictures of my garden will shut you up, I'll post a fucking album....but you're a fucking loser that has nothing better to do than play wannabe farmer and 1,000 pictures of my garden won't shut you up...I saw you go from 100 posts on your profile to over a 1,000 in a matter of less than a week...That doesn't mean you know your shit, it means you're a fucking low life that has no life....You probably look just as stupid as your avatar

Less than 2 months ago you were giving bullshit advice to a kid that didn't know any better telling him to transplant a root bound plant into a 5 gallon pot but only fill it with 3 gallons or soil and save the other 2 gallons in case he needed to add more soil on top as the roots grew out....Now you wanna come here and pass yourself off as a farmer and argue nutrients and the ingredients in them? Fucking moron!!!!
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Post those pics and post the link to the thread you're talking about if you'd like me to clarify further. You seem to be one who needs spoon-fed so I guess I'll try to explain. Though I can't promise you'll understand ;).
 
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homebrewer said:
I asked you a simple question and you couldn't answer it. Not because you didn't want to take the time to type or cut and paste the ingredients, it's because you do not know what you're adding and why it is or isn't helping your plants. That is why you do not understand this comparison. I wish I could explain it better but the easiest thing for you to do is learn about simple plant nutrition. 20 Ingredients? Really? There are only 17 essentials so what are you paying extra for? Oh yeah, I already forgot that you don't know.
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Thats funny cause i have the container right here and I can read over 20 ingredients.. Seriously do some research and stop talkin out ur ass about stuff u dont know.
 
homebrewer

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yocinfluence said:
Thats funny cause i have the container right here and I can read over 20 ingredients.. Seriously do some research and stop talkin out ur ass about stuff u dont know.
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Great! So let us know what you think is making the difference and how that product would affect a comparison like this?
 
homebrewer

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OZUT said:
Less than 2 months ago you were giving bullshit advice to a kid that didn't know any better telling him to transplant a root bound plant into a 5 gallon pot but only fill it with 3 gallons or soil and save the other 2 gallons in case he needed to add more soil on top as the roots grew out....Now you wanna come here and pass yourself off as a farmer and argue nutrients and the ingredients in them? Fucking moron!!!!
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And here is the thread that you're talking about found here:Not Happy With yield please help!!!

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Dialing in things like when and how much to water, and when and how much to feed, is something that will come with experience. After a lot of trial and error, you'll settle into a schedule that works for you and your plants. One thing off the bat that I noticed, and it was mentioned before, go with bigger pots. 3-5 gallons as suggested. Get 5 gallon buckets and go with 3 gallons of soil which should give our plants some room to stretch. Post some pics of your plants as that will help determine if you're doing something wrong. I also think your temps are kind cool. I run at about 80-85* which allows the plants to transpire and drink what I'm feeding them.
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For indoors, 2 gallons is small and 5 is big. Also, why would you get a 5 gallon pot and only fill it with 3 gallons of soil? If your plants are only going to go 3 months from start to finish, you don't need more than 3 gallons. You'll save space using 3 instead of 5 gallons with 3 gallons of soil.

Like mentioned above, focus on your roots....big strong roots down there will give you bigger results up there. Your problem is also your nutes...if you're using nothing but fox farms 3 pack, that's not enough. Also, a single 1000 in a 9 x 9 room is pretty weak...Your plants will grow as good as your most limiting factor. If you're worried about electricity consumption and that sort of stuff, look into trading your single 1000 with (2) 600's. You'll get 1,200 watts in that room using just about the same ampage plus you'll have 2 light point sources. Not to mention all of your lights will be a lot closer to the light source.

One thing you could do with the different size plants, is put the small ones in the middle and surround them with the taller ones. Just rotate the taller ones a quarter turn every few days.....

Hope this helps and good luck
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A 3 and a 5 gallon pot have the same footprint and it also gives you the flexibility to add more soil if needed, like for a mother plant.
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I use grow bags and the 5 gallons are wider than the 3 gallons....the extra 2 gallons isn't just stacked on top of the 3 to make 5. Maybe the pots you use are....Also, how does adding soil on top of the old soil solve your root bound problem? If you're root bound, you transplant into a bigger pot with the new soil on the bottom, not on top. If you're talking about a mother plant where continues watering could lower the soil level, I could understand adding a little bit more soil on top but again that doesn't make sense because you don't need to add 2 gallons worth.
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Who said anything about putting soil on top? I think my original statement was pretty clear.
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I'm not sure where you got confused. I was talking about buckets, you're talking about something else. A 5 gallon bucket is versatile. Put a mother in there and give her 5 gallons of soil to use, or flower a plant with 3 gallons. Same footprint, very versatile. Again, who said anything about putting soil on top? Are we clear now because it was clear the first time.
 
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Soil would be added to the bottom of the bucket for a reveg or mother plant... Thats pretty obvious from the post. :-|
 
homebrewer

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OZUT said:
Are you really that slow or are you just trying to piss people off? Reread your quote that you again quoted "A 3 and a 5 gallon pot have the same footprint and it also gives you the flexibility to add more soil if needed, like for a mother plant." Grow bag, pot, bucket whatever you wanna use, it doesn't matter. You're telling people to use a 5 gallon pot and put 3 gallons of soil in there so they have the flexibility of adding more soil in the future if they need to....

Going back to this thread, your stupid ass probably can't pronounce the name of the ingredients let alone know what the fuck they do...Instead of yapping mindlessly, why don't you compare the ingredients of 2 brands...Take H&G and compare it to whatever the fuck you use and explain what's lacking in one or the other and why you add other things to it...
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First off, where are your pics?

Second off: :wall:

If you transplant by adding soil to the top of your plant's roots, then this thread/forum/hobby is beyond you.
 
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homebrewer said:
Great! So let us know what you think is making the difference and how that product would affect a comparison like this?
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I think the 20 ingredients that they have over the sub par products is doing this.. it is the best bloom booster for the part of the cycle it is used.. end of discussion.. research a little dipshit.. see what other people say about a bad ass product like big bud (aka bud+) its quite apparent that u are arguing for the sake of arguing so when u wanna come with some facts or something my way where u actually make a valid point please do so if not please just dont respond with the same bull shit u have been.
 
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yocinfluence said:
I think the 20 ingredients that they have over the sub par products is doing this.. it is the best bloom booster for the part of the cycle it is used.. end of discussion.. research a little dipshit.. see what other people say about a bad ass product like big bud (aka bud+) its quite apparent that u are arguing for the sake of arguing so when u wanna come with some facts or something my way where u actually make a valid point please do so if not please just dont respond with the same bull shit u have been.
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I'll come at you with facts. Send me a link or type out the ingredients that are giving all you beginners good results. That is where we will start.
 
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You can easily take the plant out to add soil to the bottom after the flowering cycle is complete.

I don't see the sense in all the arguing and direct attacks, it doesn't really compliment character, I hate to sound like the mediator... carry on.
 
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