Advanced Nutrients

Also start off with a low dose. I have vary rarely went over half strength and I would go for a 800-1000 ppm nute strength. I also add supplements first then add base nutes. Very ph stable nutes.

I'm using AN now but have pretty much decided to stop. My main reason is that I tried for days to talk to someone there with a question but never got anyone. I tend to buy products where I know I can get support if I need it. I'm seriously looking at Humboldt. I called them, left a message, and got a callback in ten minutes.

I've heard of customer support issues at A.N. and a mass defection of the scientists who work there over $money$
I have to admit that after I bought the Sensi Grow and Bloom I contacted the online hydro store that I bought it from and he told me that AN was having troubles with shipping and that they were not honoring their guarantee also that the company was billing him for shipments that they hadn't shipped and that some of its employees had left over money issues in other words A.N. wasn't paying them he also told me that he heard a customer with a chemistry background analyzed the nutrients he purchased and found that the concentrations were about half of the reported strength so it appears that they were watering down the formulas.
Naturally I asked him if my order was legit he told me as far as he knew the supply he was selling was from an earlier order he placed and should be safe.
He went on to say that he'd be surprised if the company would be in business for long what with not shipping orders to retailers and their other problems.
He suggested that in the future I use Humbolt Nutrients Master A/B a two part nute which is for both grow and bloom bottle A is grow and bottle B is bloom both are used together through the grow heavier amounts of grow during the veg cycle tapering off during bloom cycle and a small amount of bloom during grow raising weekly to the end of the bloom cycle.
Humbolt has a very easy simple feed chart on their site much easier than A.N. and I like the Idea of a two part nute that includes both grow and bloom in a simple to use product.
I've allready bought the Sensi so I'm using it and hoping for a good grow from it, but when it runs out I'll probably switch to Humbolt the man at the hydro store said the owner of Humbolt was an honest guy and a fellow grower.

tSunami13 said:

Used both sensi grow and bloom. You can add supplements but they are not required. If supplements are added go with big bud and voodoo juice.

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The one thing I'm fuzzy about is do I use both grow and bloom together or do I only use the grow during veg and the bloom only during bloom it gets confusing as I said in another post Humbolts Master A/B is a two part that bottle A is grow and bottle B is bloom but the feed chart says to use both during the entire grow of your plant, I don't have the Humbolt stuff I have the A.N. Sensi grow and Bloom both two part formulas a total of four bottles 2 grow and 2 bloom parts a/b. I hope that's not confusing.
At present my bubbleponics grow is only in the earliest stages in fact the seedlings are only 2" tall at best most are less than an inch tall way way too early for nutes I'm not going to add any nutes till I have a couple of sets of leaves on each beyond the original little fat roundish ones and even then I'm going to ease them into nutes I don't want to burn them out.
I'm learning patience from all this I have four other plants in soil going as well but they're fairly short still the tallest one is a bout a foot tall and they go down from ther progressivly to about six to eight inches tall. the tallest one finally showed the female white hairs two or three days ago as seen in the picture.
I've been using the sensi grow on the plants in the soil but I really don't know if its making a difference yet this is my first somewhat serious grow in other words one I haven't screwed up totally yet.
the plants are about a month to a month and a half old.
So I'm not sure if the nutes hav ereally done anything in the soil plants.

Hydro nutes are not good for soil.

I have only used AN and Dutch master.
I can tell you from my experience that Dutch master is very expensive.

AN nutes are best if used at 1/2 strength.

I use a TDS meter
and have not noticed any watering down
of the AN nutes.

If a grower is good,
he will have a picture grow log,
and it will be in his signature...
please check mine out.

Show your grow.
.
I use Sensigrow A&B for veg and SensiBloom A&B for flower.

I use RO water.

I just finished a hempy bucket grow
with AN nutes at very low levels
and found I have very outstanding result.

I have smoked the same variety of seeds
grown with Fox farm, AN, and Dutchmaster ,
and I will stay with AN nutes for the best taste.

You should always check the information you get from some of these AN bashers.

Do they have a picture grow log ?

If not, then I would take their claims
of "many years of growing"
with a grain of salt.

Here is a Stinky Widow Cindy I grew with AN nutes at very low nutes loads.



It is delicious.

This is my first time trying A.N. and was a little discouraged by what I was told by the guy who owned the hydro store the claims were his and not mine, I guess I'm looking for some assurance that I didn't waste my nute money.
Like I said I just started my hydro grow and won't be adding any nutes for at least a week or two depending on how quick my plants grow at this time they're only seedlings the largest less than an 2" tall and just the little started sprout petals or whatever they're called not even a legitimate leaf so for now it's just plain water.
I also have a couple of plants in soil I started about a month or so ago they vary in height from maybe 8" to just under a foot tall they are all starting to fill in so I'm in a holding pattern I made the mistake of using miracle grow potting mix with nutes in theh mix once I feel the plants need a larger pot I'm going to repot them in new plain potting soil but for now i don't want to disturb them and throw them into shock.
I have seen a few posts that have the "RO" water and I've tried to find out what this abbreviation means by looking it up in some of the glossaries on here but I have not been able to find it and since you've used the "RO" abbr. could you tell me what it means.
I'm sure your getting a grin out of this I think it means rain water I read somewhere that it is prefferable to use rain water as the ph is supposed to be perfect.
Do you know this to be true or not I've set up a couple of pails under a clogged gutter to catch it and it seems to be agreeing with my plants so far.
I guess I'm going to have to buy some test strips this weekend and maybe some PH up and down as it seems to be important I see post after post about PH levels.
Thanks in advance for any info you have.
Ps. I thought I read somewhere on the A.N. site that the sensi products have PH stablizers built in to the products.
Could be sales hype I'm sure all companies stretch the truth to sell a product every now and then.

I had the impression that the Humboldt Master A&B were for soil. I'm thinking of trying their Micro/Grow/Bloom.

Illegal Smile said:

I had the impression that the Humboldt Master A&B were for soil. I'm thinking of trying their Micro/Grow/Bloom.

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I spoke with the owner of this hydro store and he suggestde if I remember correctly I told him I wanted it for a hydro grow
here's the site pretty fast shipping
http://americangardensupply.com/
There's a link on the product page to humbolts website and a feeding chart the stuff sounds good for a two part it says to use both the grow and bloom simultaniously during the grow.
Check it out it's llike $40.00 for both.

tSunami13 said:

AN offers Iguana Juice organic one part..

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ya im still undecided about what nutes i am going to use for flowering. Id like to keep it organic and simple and the Organic Iguana Juice looked like a good option to me. Has anyone tried this product? if so how were the results with this? and what other organic bloom nutes would compliment the Iguana juice? i am way more concerned about quality than quantity. any help here is much appreciated

Reverse Osmosis= RO

You will have best result if you use good water,
keep the nute load to 1/2 or lees,
keep your pH tightly controlled
and your rez cool and aerated.
http://www.purewaterclub.com/.

I wonder if comparing the top 5 or 6 brands of nutes is a little like comparing brands of salt and sugar. OK, not that simple but I'll bet the differences between them are much less than the promotion would have us think, and I'll bet any of them has everything it needs for a good grower to get super results. Sometimes I think we are like mediocre golfers fretting over the latest new wrinkle in clubs

jberry said:

i tried to do my own side by side, Canna vs. AN, but not one shop will honor A.N.'s money back if you dont see better results deal, so i backed out. the money back thing is a scam.

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I'd never heard of anyone having a problem with the money back guarantee, but then I've also never heard of anyone looking to redeem it.

The intelligent move would be to take it up with Advanced Nutrients themselves - if they know your shop won't cover it they might be able to straighten things out.

My guess, however, is that you're not remotely interested in anything aside from complaining.

jberry said:

but A.N. has a lot of not so great reviews, coming from reliable sources.

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Such as?

jberry said:

1. H&G is way cheaper than A.N. or Canna so your wrong on that.

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That depends a lot on where you are. We all know the sticker price on the shelf varies according to how expensive it is to ship the product to that shelf. If you're buying something from across the ocean it's going to cost more than it does if you buy it locally.

jberry said:

2. if A.N. changed their name to Marijuana Nutrients you would probably pay more bcuz your a moron.

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Ah yes, the refuge of the weak argument: name calling.

You can always tell who's got fewer facts to back them up in a debate, they start the name calling first.

jberry said:

please dont respond... unsubscribed.

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Translation: I have an uncontrollable obsession with getting the last word in. Please don't respond because I can't win the fight and if you do I'll be compelled to come back and show my ass.

jberry said:

how much is A.N. paying you to drop ads on here?

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He's not a paid shill. I'd know, I've never seen him at any of the Shill Meetings, and he never comes by the Shill Clubhouse.

Of course he does like Advanced Nutrients so that makes him a paid shill regardless of any facts.

tSunami13 said:

Probably not as much as you get paid by canna.

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Hehe. Sounds about right.

For the guy asking about Iguana Juice I can say that it's good stuff - the best organic nutrients I've ever tried and the only ones I'll use in hydroponics. For bloom boosters I recommend Nirvana, it's really the only all-organic option that actually works and works in hydroponics.

Good news on that front is there's a rumor AN is developing an Organic Big Bud. That should be nice.

please get over it people. i shouldnt have called names and im sorry for that.
i tried to let everyone get in the last word and i stopped responding weeks ago. i have no future plans of ever posting on any AN thread ever again. you guys like it and get good results and thats fine with me. i know you all think im a idiot and i hear that loud and clear, so you can just get back to the original thread topic and leave me out of it cuz im not going to argue with anyone anymore.

im not as horrible as you all think, i do have a lot of experience and i have helped a lot of people on here and i have been helped. im sorry if i ruined anyones RIU experience.

Illegal Smile said:

I'm using AN now but have pretty much decided to stop. My main reason is that I tried for days to talk to someone there with a question but never got anyone. I tend to buy products where I know I can get support if I need it. I'm seriously looking at Humboldt. I called them, left a message, and got a callback in ten minutes.

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Called AN up got a person on the phone, answered my question. Email is slower.

Karloff said:

The one thing I'm fuzzy about is do I use both grow and bloom together or do I only use the grow during veg and the bloom only during bloom it gets confusing as I said in another post Humbolts Master A/B is a two part that bottle A is grow and bottle B is bloom but the feed chart says to use both during the entire grow of your plant, I don't have the Humbolt stuff I have the A.N. Sensi grow and Bloom both two part formulas a total of four bottles 2 grow and 2 bloom parts a/b. I hope that's not confusing.
At present my bubbleponics grow is only in the earliest stages in fact the seedlings are only 2" tall at best most are less than an inch tall way way too early for nutes I'm not going to add any nutes till I have a couple of sets of leaves on each beyond the original little fat roundish ones and even then I'm going to ease them into nutes I don't want to burn them out.
I'm learning patience from all this I have four other plants in soil going as well but they're fairly short still the tallest one is a bout a foot tall and they go down from ther progressivly to about six to eight inches tall. the tallest one finally showed the female white hairs two or three days ago as seen in the picture.
I've been using the sensi grow on the plants in the soil but I really don't know if its making a difference yet this is my first somewhat serious grow in other words one I haven't screwed up totally yet.
the plants are about a month to a month and a half old.
So I'm not sure if the nutes hav ereally done anything in the soil plants.

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I've run the four bottles. Just the 2grow for grow and 2bloom for bloom.

I like the fact that AN has the nutes separated and I have to mix. The all in one nute mix cannot be that good. Miracle Gro works but how many here are using it, not many, chemicals that get along with each other must be used in the all in one mix. So choice is limited. Look at what happens when certain fertilizers are mixed. KABOOM. Obviously the all in one would not contain chems that do not get along in concentration. Once the chems are added to water they are stable. I just found a happy medium for me. It is a pain to mix a cocktail of nutes, but nothing comes easy, but I can control what goes in the mix, versus the magic all in one which can only be diluted. I just like having the choice to control more.

All of these nutes have the guaranteed analysis on the label so that is what it is. We can go on all day about rumors about labels but we have to believe at some point. I believe Bud Light contains the 100 calories it says, I believe Coke has the 50 or so mg of caffeine , so I have faith in the nute companies whichever one it is. I can't pick and choose which ones have good or bad rumors, but I can read the label.

I'm looking at my four bottles as I write this I paid for the Sensi grow A/B and the Sensi Bloom A/B and I'm going use the hell out of them and trust that they're on the money, if you use the nute schedule on the A.N. web site they load it up with all sorts of extra things, I hit the buy now button and saw the price for all that stuff it was like $450.00 before shipping.
Now that's nuts I'm the only one here that's going to hit this when it's done and one guy doesn't need all that much so whatever I get I'm sure will see me through till the next harvest.
I don't roll joints I use a one hitter it'll last me fine.
I don't know what I'm worried about.
Roseman says from seed to harvest is about 90 days in a bubbleponic setup, that aint bad.

Roseman must have some new super fast genetics.

I would plan on 140-160 days til harvest
if you start from seed.

You might grow that fast with clones.

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The AN schedule does show all the additives. If you don't use them all then you use more basic nutes. I have mixed the majority of additives in and they end up at about half of what the target ppm is, leaving the other half to the basic nutes. There are many ways to get the desired ppm.

i stopped by this thread since i use AN and i gotta say...damn people.

the nutrients a grower uses are only one part of the picture. people can argue all day long from their pc but the only way to tell if something works is by trying it. different water quality, environmental details, genetics, etc. are huge variables that no amount of internet posts from experienced or idiot growers can nail down for you.

hype is all that any advertising is. some is more modest, some is more scientifically based, some is more demographically suited for potheads but every bit of advertising is entirely about selling products and it doesn't matter where its coming from - its all lies to me until i verify it and its rare for anything live up to it's advertising.


just my .02....forgive me...



anyways, i use sensi grow a+b, voodoo, tarantula, liquid carbo load and nirvana for my clones. i begin using b-52 after they are well established to prevent burns.

for bloom i use sensi bloom a+b, powder big bud, overdrive, nirvana, and i'll flush with final phase.

i was using gh floranova and gh supplements before and i don't like how nasty they are - really gritty, dark and smelly. made my roots brown and clogged my airstones daily. floranova bloom is so chunky it clogs my dropper. an products keep my system and plants cleaner, which is a big deal to me as a novice grower with ocd.

a big factor for me is that as a cardholding medical cannabis patient i can buy an products at discount rates through my dispensary. if i had to pay full price i wouldn't be using so many products and would probably use a different brand, too.

as for the tech support line, i've called three times. the first time i didn't get through because it was after 7pm and i didn't know their hours. both other times i was on the phone almost an hour writing notes like a college student late to a finals cram session. i talked to a different person each time and they each gave me an avalanche of information explaining things three times for me and not rushing me at all. i've never tried calling anyone else because i don't need to.

as a side note, many products have been discontinued for various reasons but this is one of the things i spoke to the tech support about. they said an is working to combine products which is why some things like sensi cal/mg were discontinued but a lot of it is caused by increasing regulations and many products are now pending approval. i don't know how much of that is true, take it with salt.

Has anyone used or have any experience with VITA GROW 3 part nutrients?