Advanced nutriets PH perfect ?

Hi ,

I have started to use AN (grow) but just wanted to make sure one thing ,
The recommended dosage is 4ml per litter , if i use 1 ml per litter will it
still be PH perfect ?

I have the AN pH perfect Sensi Coco, Grow and Bloom (A & B) I use 0.5ml - 2ml of A and B. 2ml is the maximum I've needed in bloom, it's strong stuff and the 4ml / liter is definitely too much. The nutrients work even if the pH isn't 5.8 - 6.2.

I work mine up, I start at 1/2 to 1ml per litre for small seedlings and newly rooted cuts, once the seedling has three or four leaf sets i move up to 2ml per litre, then three then up to four, I run them at four til the last three weeks when I taper it down to 3 then 2 then 0 for flushing the final week. Just ease into it, you'll get it in no time. What medium are you using?

work with soil medium and tap water , i just wonder if i need to worry about PH if i use 0.5-2ml ?
are you guys verify PH with AN ?

the reason i am asking this is because i am facing N tox and i know i dont use enough for the plant to reach N tox , so i my guess is PH issue but i am clueless so i just want to know if people
balance PH with AN ...

those aren't made for soil, though AN makes nutes for soil I haven't used them, I'd get something made for soil or you may have a rough go as I've seen a few here try them in dirt with problems. If you want to try hydro with those nutes put together a cheap dwc bucket or try a soilless mix hempy bucket type grow. If soil grown is what you're after there are a plethora of seasoned soil soldiers here you can follow.

do you have any pics?

The reason why they tell you not to ph is due to a technology that makes the nutrients available at different ph ranges. But you should always know your ph before pouring anything into your plants, also its good for record keeping so you can replicate success or avoid future failure. 4ml per liter is based on 1000w light and good environmental controls, you need to drop your nutrients accordingly to light humidity and Co2. Also remember those nutrients stay on the bottom of your medium if not leeched out, so sometimes you can get salt overload and cause deficiencies. With AN remember Feed Feed Water dont just feed all the way. If you water more then once a week i would feed water feed. If you water remember to inoculate with microbes. GL

CanniHelpYou said:

The reason why they tell you not to ph is due to a technology that makes the nutrients available at different ph ranges. But you should always know your ph before pouring anything into your plants, also its good for record keeping so you can replicate success or avoid future failure. 4ml per liter is based on 1000w light and good environmental controls, you need to drop your nutrients accordingly to light humidity and Co2. Also remember those nutrients stay on the bottom of your medium if not leeched out, so sometimes you can get salt overload and cause deficiencies. With AN remember Feed Feed Water dont just feed all the way. If you water more then once a week i would feed water feed. If you water remember to inoculate with microbes. GL

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Thanks for the help guys but there some thing i dont quite get :

"always know your ph before pouring anything into your plant"" - why (if i user AN its not importent, not? ) ?

With AN remember Feed Feed Water dont just feed all the way. - i water twice a week so i need to water one with food and the second without ?

"inoculate with microbes" - not familiar with this , how exaclly ? specific product?

Shalram said:

Thanks for the help guys but there some thing i dont quite get :

"always know your ph before pouring anything into your plant"" - why (if i user AN its not importent, not? ) ?

With AN remember Feed Feed Water dont just feed all the way. - i water twice a week so i need to water one with food and the second without ?

"inoculate with microbes" - not familiar with this , how exaclly ? specific product?

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Maybe I can help clarify things about the pH Perfect technology as it took me a while to grok the whole concept too and I've been using AN nutes for 15 years and balked at switching into the pH Perfect thing.

If you are using tap water with a high pH and high TDS then you likely have hard water and it will all work better if you adjust the pH of your water to at least 7 before adding any nutes. If you really want to avoid problems down the line then you should consider switching to RO water as it gives you a clean slate to start with and no adjustments are needed.

All cities or towns will add an alkaline substance to their water, usually calcium carbonate, to keep the pH above 7 to prevent corrosion of any metals that are in the system. This was particularly important in days past when water pipes were cast iron and the plumbing in homes could be lead or copper pipes that would leach toxic levels of those metals into your drinking water. Drinking higher pH water is better for your health but not so good for your plant's health. New installations are mostly some sort of plastic and not vulnerable to corrosion but pumps and things like it still need protection from acidic water.

pH Perfect technology makes the nutrients available to the plants at a broader range of pH so even if your water or soil is off the plants will still get the things they need to thrive. So if you mix up all your nutes then check the pH and it's not the 6.5 or 5.8 you want don't go adding pH up or down to change it as that can mess up things and it adds things that you don't really want in there. The worst thing you can do with any brand of nutrients is be constantly adding pH adjusters to keep the pH at one specific spot. The plants themselves release things through their roots to keep the pH where they want it if it isn't right but can't fix really bad pH.

Here's a link to Advanced Nutrients explanation of the tech. How pH Perfect helps grow plants hydroponically.

I use these nutes for DWC and my soil/soilless growing without ever checking pH and have yet to see any signs of nutrient imbalances since using the pH Perfect nutes about 3 years ago. The plants I'm growing now are in day 38 of flowering and other than a wee bit of nute burn are looking great with big phat colas covered in crystal. They are being grown in a mix of ProMix's soil/soilless in 4gal pots and can be checked out with the link in my sig under this post.

Shalram said:

Thanks for the help guys but there some thing i dont quite get :

"always know your ph before pouring anything into your plant"" - why (if i user AN its not importent, not? ) ?

With AN remember Feed Feed Water dont just feed all the way. - i water twice a week so i need to water one with food and the second without ?

"inoculate with microbes" - not familiar with this , how exaclly ? specific product?

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For Microbes you can use Recharge or Mykos. Its good to have microbe colonies in your roots that eat the salts and make nutrients more available for your plant.

CanniHelpYou said:

For Microbes you can use Recharge or Mykos. Its good to have microbe colonies in your roots that eat the salts and make nutrients more available for your plant.

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For soil grows yes but microbes aren't needed for pure hydro systems as the nutes are readily available to the plants without them.

Microbes eat the organic matter and produce the salts that your plants eat so they don't eat the salts. That would be like us eating our own poop. They do however eat sugars so a carbohydrate supplement like molasses or the more expensive carbo supplements feed the microbes so they can feed your plants. There are many supplements you can buy to increase the micro-herd in your soil but once established they shouldn't need weekly additions if there is carbs and other organic matter for them to feed and breed with.