Aero cloner problems clones aren't rooting

Hello

I've been on this site for a few years now (creeping not posting) and 100% rep to all the problems everyone has helped solve but I have 12 s.a.g.e cuttings in my cloner and am also on my 3rd set of cuttings at about 14 days and idk why they're not rooting I ran a set of g-13 haze through the same cloner and had awesome results

My temps stay between 68 and 75
I am using botanicare power clone and also use 29% h2o2
My light is a single t5 about a foot away it's a 4 bulb fixture but the fixture is bullshit and burns out 3 of the bulbs pretty quick
I also have an air stone and the 360 sprayers on for 10 seconds off for 10 mins
My ppm is around 150 and ph is 5
I can post pics if needed
 

beuffer420

Well-Known Member
Try not using your timer and leaving the sprayers on 24/7. Maybe back off the h202 too. When I used to use an aero cloner I only used clonex solution and an air stone with great results. I too also tried timer intervals but ran into the problems your describing there's plenty of oxygen in the water from the sprayer you won't waterlog them with it spraying all day.

Hope this helps ya brutha
 
I appreciate the quick reply how high did your temps get with the sprayers on 24/7 and what should I do for bacteria growth if I take out the h2o2 I know my temps will get up in growth range
 

Moebius

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I keep my 50 site DIY cloners on 24/7. .. produced thousands of clones this way using nothing but tap water.

I don't check temps in the res but I know it gets a little warmer. I've never seen an visible bacteria or algae growth.
 

OLD DUDE

Active Member
10 seconds on 10 min off is not much time for them to get water! 24/7 will increase water temp which is a good thing for cloning. I actually use a heating mat and keep temps at 78!
 
Ok sounds good I currently run my veg and flower systems at 30 seconds on and 7 mins off should I run my veg and flower systems different I haven't experienced any problems but any opinions are welcome
 

moggggys

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My temps stay between 68 and 75
ok fair enough , a bit of warmth helps but dont get it too warm


I am using botanicare power clone and also use 29% h2o2
fuck that , clonex only ,,,, or spit ,,,,, or a bit of willow branch etc , h202 is pointless fella , the extra molicule is unstable and buggers off in a day , good for killing off nastys on seeds but useless other than this , people add it to the rez thinking extra O is a bonus but its there for such a short time etc etc , i also tend not to like powders , jells are just nicer all round IMO

My light is a single t5 about a foot away it's a 4 bulb fixture but the fixture is bullshit and burns out 3 of the bulbs pretty quick
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a foot ? seems a bit close , if you give clones loads of light they will not bother making roots and will grow instead , id reduce the light and by the sound of your fixture its about time ?


I also have an air stone and the 360 sprayers on for 10 seconds off for 10 mins
why ? 24/7 fella , you turn them on and leave it , you want that fucker damp , you also wont need a dome as the sprayers will create excellent humidity , the airstones a nice touch but pointless given they dont have roots ,


My ppm is around 150 and ph is 5
lovely , i never bother with ph as its not all as it seems , ppm id up to 300-500 myself , nothing to extreme and just a bit to maintain healthy clones as they will use a little food



soooooo whats the total process i wonder ? could be a failing in the system , myself a general clone will bang out roots in 7 days , some alot quicker with as an example trainwreak is doing the spag thing in 5 flat

rockwool chopped into 1 in squares , clone floated a day in a shot glass to get the idea its taking water through the stem , none of this scariffying bollox for mogs and i tend not to even bother with an angle , chop and into water for a day while the rockwool floats , out of water and dried off ( the clonex thins out otherwise ) and into a ready made hole in the rockwool ( toothpick ) , then into the net pot and into the cloner , ignore completely for a week and viola roots friggin everywhere



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my success rates is rather good , this year to date ive made say 300 and i will fess i have lost 1 , it wasnt dead and would have pulled through but i killed it off as it wasnt worth the wait , so call it 99%+
 

OLD DUDE

Active Member
Ok sounds good I currently run my veg and flower systems at 30 seconds on and 7 mins off should I run my veg and flower systems different I haven't experienced any problems but any opinions are welcome
i have been running Aero for a few years, I run all systems at 80 seconds on 8 min off with very good success! DO NOT add nutes, there is no need! I cfl or a shop light is actually better than t5s. Come check out this threadhttps://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/533650-my-3-stages-flower.html
You will get all the help ya need on anything aero!!!!
 
Awready sounds good I appreciate all the quick replies but I assure you I'm not a novice grower just made a novice mistake lol this will only be my second grow with aeroponics I did a round with 12 g-13 haze and got almost 2 1/2 pounds and it was some super loud easily one of the best strains I've handled defiantly recommendable.... when my cuttings take off ill make a grow journal if anyone is interested in a s.a.g.e grow
 

MudDuck

Member
I'm now on the winning side of dialing in my new aeros. It took me a lot of runs and I'm seeing saw teeth at 6 days, roots at 10 or 12 days.
I understand that there are many people who get roots in 4 days, kudos to them but I'm not one of 'em. It took me a bit of fucking around to get to this point and here's what works for me.

Water: I tried distilled and tap, ph balanced and unbalanced. Right now I use plain tap water unbalanced.
Additives: Once I got some RapidStart by GH, things got better. I have clear rez and a root protector solution that came as samples and I haven't needed to use them yet.
Temp: My res temp stays near 70.
Air: I rock an airstone in my turbokloner T-24 and another airstone positioned in front of the intake fan that blows air across the water in my res (a cool design) so I'm getting heavy O2
Technique: I started diluting my clonex into water and soaking my cuts for 20min after making small nics in the clone stalks with a STERILE knife. I sharpen my paring knife and soak it in denatured alcohol before I start hacking. I don't cut my leaves down. I want them to want to suck water.
Timer: I tried quite a few variations and now just leave my cloner running 24/7
Light: Cheap fluorescent tubes about 20in away, left on 24/7. I don't use a humidity dome.

Cleanliness:
I don't know if you've ever brewed beer. If so, you know about compounding effects of ill sterilization upon contained water... If not, I'm sure you can imagine. I deep clean my system between every run.
This entails the following:
Put fresh water in res with bleach, run pump with pucks in place 20 min
Dump water
Scrub res tank, lid, pucks with scour pad
Dismantle and scrub pump parts, rinse filter of debris (the type/amount of debris in your pump filter will lend valuable scrutiny to your cleanliness)
Soak pump parts in warm water
Remove nozzle heads from pipe/spray manifold, rinse under hot water.
Toss in the bleachy warm water with the pump to soak another 5 min
Rinse everything thoroughly, re assemble
Run new water for a few minutes and drain the res
Refill, run another 5 min
Dump, Dry.

If you run airstones, disconnect and soak them in a hydrogen peroxide solution (submerge the cords so the h2O2 fills the lines) You should see the h2o2 start acting immediately and start pulling all sorts of crap out of the innards of the stone. Or you could buy a new stone (2$)
Dump the h2o2 and soak in warm water for a few minutes.
Reconnect it and let it run in the warm water to flush
Give it another soak in h2o2 and rinse again.

If at any point in time you see shit floating in your res or the water smells off, change it out and add more rapidstart or whatever you had in it the first time.
If you decide to use RapidStart, use just a touch more than they call for under 'aggressive use'

'Between 68 and 75 degrees' may be too large of a variance if this fluctuation is occurring daily. Perhaps move your system to a more temp stable spot (away from windows, vents, appliances)

No need moggggys right, if your pump and/or airstone are working properly, your res will have enough agitation to evaporate your h2o2 very quickly. If you're using this as a preventative measure, consider a potassium based solution instead.
However, your problem may not lie in toxicity at all. I'm saying you probably don't need the h2o2 at all.

I'm inclined to believe that improper sterilization of your equipment is to blame if you've gotten results before.

Hope some of this helps.
 

Nizza

Well-Known Member
people clean with a little soap to make the water "wetter". i like using a toilet brush and 5 gallons of hot water with 1 capful of bleach and a few drops of dish soap. my equipment is all bpa free and if you feel things after they shouldnt be slimy or anything. I rinse re-flush/soak it after its cleaned. and then i fill it up again :)
 
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