Kerowacked
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Pretty much kindergarten through eighth grade, and the Virgin Mary, forgetaboutit!
Afganistan Collapse
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nuskool89
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You are so lost in your batshit fantasies that you're applying this imaginary stereotype you’ve convinced yourself exists (because omergawd russia omergawd insurrection) to complete strangers, and then lashing out at them verbally under the pretense they are your enemy.
The idea that you wake up everyday with this imaginary enemy in your head, must weigh heavily on your psyche. I kind of feel bad for you.
I responded to the diagram because it’s humorous to compare Christians in the US to the taliban in Afghanistan. Besides them voting a specific way they choose to (which none of us can really limit) what power do they have over homosexuals or women or whatever the subject? As opposed to the Taliban who are actually beheading and stoning and etc etc. Thats why I commented. What’s funny is I didn’t even dismiss Christians from all of those comparisons! I merely corrected the period in time of which certain groups of Christians were behaving/thinking like the taliban does today.
This idea the majority of Christians are “extremists” that also fit in to every other category in life you disagree with, is the same kind of thinking that lumps all Muslims in with the taliban.
I do not believe in some monotheistic masculine entity sharing all of his rules with people that wrote it down, then started telling other people how to live. I have no connection or influence from anything associated with the most apocalyptic event that seems to be haunting you. (January 6th)
No one in a MAGA hat is coming to get you, you don’t have have that baby if you don’t want to, and you and your same sex partner should totally get married and have all the rights a hetero married couple has. (I’m literally on the couch next to you hitting the blunt; we just disagree on a few things but probably agree on more)
Kerowacked
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For the first time i can remember, i agreed with Tucker Carlson last nite; the military has lied for twenty years about the war in afghanistan but the pentagon pulls the puppet strings so their intel is dogma til its over.
BudmanTX
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okie dokie
hanimmal
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Yeah that really pokes a hole in my bullshit of them not being 'much' more advanced as we were 300 years ago (minus the ability to mass murder with new weapons).
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Dorian2
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I'm not understanding a lot of heat passing around here by a few people to be honest. You all do have at least one thing in common. You're pissed off Americans who want someone who can lead to do that very thing. Fucking lead. All us peons can do is lead by the example we set for others around us.
Peace out folks.
Peace out folks.
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Fogdog
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I've participated in counter-demonstrations in Portland. I saw Proud Boys and their ilk attack unarmed and non-threatening people. All in the name of their warped idea of "God". The demonstrations were organized by "Patriots Prayer". Do you not see the reference to Christianity?
Just quit lying. I managed to get out of the way without harm but it was close. People around me weren't so lucky. Those Christian, MAGA wearing thugs practice and train to hurt people. They did it in DC and recently in LA. So, just stop gaslighting. Right wing Christians are not only threatening people's personal safety but also our government and way of life.
Just like the Taliban does to other Afghanis.
BudmanTX
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from the 1500 to the 1700's they did it with a book, 500k to estimated a mil dead...all cause of a book
Yeah that really pokes a hole in my bullshit of them not being 'much' more advanced as we were 300 years ago (minus the ability to mass murder with new weapons).
Don't Bogart
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I just kinda blew through this Posting.
I probably missed the stream but....who saw this debacle of Afghanistan coming.
Infedals can be lied to.
Tell them what they want to hear!
Then do what you want.
Biden could not be more "Dementia based".
Who the f*ck led him into this thought process?
GO BACK TO YASSER ARAFAT.
A leopard never changes its spots!!
I probably missed the stream but....who saw this debacle of Afghanistan coming.
Infedals can be lied to.
Tell them what they want to hear!
Then do what you want.
Biden could not be more "Dementia based".
Who the f*ck led him into this thought process?
GO BACK TO YASSER ARAFAT.
A leopard never changes its spots!!
Cycad
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I've been to many of these places. Every country on the Saudi peninsula and a few in Africa that are Islamic. What I found was, the places that are rich, like Saudi, are the real shithole countries, not the ones Mr Trump was thinking of, right? Because the Saudis have always been Americas friends, haven't they? No they bloody haven't, they were never your friends, I was told this over and over during the year I lived there. Let's remember who flew the planes into the towers - it was Saudis, trained by American instructors.
They all despise you. To them, you are the Kuffar, the unbeliever, the one who may be lied to, cheated, even killed by a Muslim who receives praise in the eyes of Allah for doing so.
Islam is not a religion it is a control system. Most especially it is a control system invented by a misogynistic patriarchy. When the West promotes women's rights in these places, the local men see it as not only blasphemy, but also an attack on their authority.
As a man, it was all too easy to pass through these places, sitting in a tent with the men smoking shisha under the stars, or chewing khat with them, seeing myself (falsely) as a modern-day Lawrence, even though my Arabic was atrocious and I had no idea (still don't) of how their minds work.
And that's why it has come to what it is.
As Nigerians say, It has passed the point of can't help.
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
- - Frank Zappa.
They all despise you. To them, you are the Kuffar, the unbeliever, the one who may be lied to, cheated, even killed by a Muslim who receives praise in the eyes of Allah for doing so.
Islam is not a religion it is a control system. Most especially it is a control system invented by a misogynistic patriarchy. When the West promotes women's rights in these places, the local men see it as not only blasphemy, but also an attack on their authority.
As a man, it was all too easy to pass through these places, sitting in a tent with the men smoking shisha under the stars, or chewing khat with them, seeing myself (falsely) as a modern-day Lawrence, even though my Arabic was atrocious and I had no idea (still don't) of how their minds work.
And that's why it has come to what it is.
As Nigerians say, It has passed the point of can't help.
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
- - Frank Zappa.
Fogdog
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They all despise me?
Some do. But your broad brush statement about "they all despise me" smacks of racism.
xtsho
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I find this to be telling and is right in line with what I've been saying despite being called an idiot by people that seem to think anything other than the current outcome was possible. If anything the outcome is better than some predicted.
Statement from former Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani after he fled Afghanistan who is more to blame than Biden yet this thread is mostly full of people blaming Biden for everything from the drought and wildfires to the fall of Afghanistan. It was trump that had at one time set a May 1st date and it was trump that destroyed negotiations with the Taliban with his stupid tweets that were undermining the negotiations while they were going on. Once he tweeted that he was pulling all the troops out the Taliban had no reason to bother negotiating in good faith. Diplomacy by twitter doesn't work which is why trump was such a failure.
But here's the snippet:
He also wanted to prevent Afghanistan from becoming like Syria and Yemen
"The UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation can confirm that the UAE has welcomed President Ashraf Ghani and his family into the country on humanitarian grounds," the ministry said."
"In a Facebook video message shared on Wednesday, Ghani reiterated that he left the country to avoid bloodshed. , and avert "dreadful disaster" of "being hanged" had he remained in office."
"The decision was made that whatever happened 25 years ago would be repeated if I had stayed the President of Afghanistan. I would have been hanged in front of the eyes of the people of Afghanistan and this would have been a dreadful disaster in our history," he said."
As bad as the Taliban might be the alternative would be a civil war that would turn the country into scenes like this.
Statement from former Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani after he fled Afghanistan who is more to blame than Biden yet this thread is mostly full of people blaming Biden for everything from the drought and wildfires to the fall of Afghanistan. It was trump that had at one time set a May 1st date and it was trump that destroyed negotiations with the Taliban with his stupid tweets that were undermining the negotiations while they were going on. Once he tweeted that he was pulling all the troops out the Taliban had no reason to bother negotiating in good faith. Diplomacy by twitter doesn't work which is why trump was such a failure.
But here's the snippet:
He also wanted to prevent Afghanistan from becoming like Syria and Yemen
"The UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation can confirm that the UAE has welcomed President Ashraf Ghani and his family into the country on humanitarian grounds," the ministry said."
"In a Facebook video message shared on Wednesday, Ghani reiterated that he left the country to avoid bloodshed. , and avert "dreadful disaster" of "being hanged" had he remained in office."
"The decision was made that whatever happened 25 years ago would be repeated if I had stayed the President of Afghanistan. I would have been hanged in front of the eyes of the people of Afghanistan and this would have been a dreadful disaster in our history," he said."
As bad as the Taliban might be the alternative would be a civil war that would turn the country into scenes like this.
Sativied
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Do I mind explaining and thus address that what was too dumb to address? Well okay..., only cause you’re willing to see what I meant. That’s mighty courteous of you sir.
He compared a hypothetical worse situation to a naive downplayed version of reality.
His point is unreasonable, he paints a false dilemma mixed with relative privation.
It’s too early to tell if there will be slaughter spread widely enough that it amounts to something worse than that hypothetical civil war? How did wide spread slaughter with modern weapons became a bar to measure succes of the operation, its poorly organized end, or the situation over the next years.
The suggestion the presence of an international force would inevitably lead to full out civil war is already shaky. But using it as an argument the current scenario is better for the people there (as w/e his name above said) or it’s any less bad than it really is, is a fallacy. Wondering if it has all been in vain is one thing (it wasn’t). Same for wondering if it’s a good idea to meddle at all (it is if not half-assed). But suggesting they are now better off because a hypothetical worse scenario is supposedly avoided, is too dumb to address yet see what you made me do.
Instead of civil war many got a long break from Taliban and sharia, average life expectancy increased with 16 years, education for females, the option to walk around with a naked face instead of being an imprisoned wrapped-up slave to men, no mobsters entering their homes and extorting the little they have, and a lot more basic human rights we take for granted. If that’s not worth a few dozen military casualties a year from the leaders of the free world who claimed to make human rights a priority in foreign policy than what is.
Fogdog
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False Dilemma/False DichotomyI find this to be telling and is right in line with what I've been saying despite being called an idiot by people that seem to think anything other than the current outcome was possible. If anything the outcome is better than some predicted.
Statement from former Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani after he fled Afghanistan who is more to blame than Biden yet this thread is mostly full of people blaming Biden for everything from the drought and wildfires to the fall of Afghanistan. It was trump that had at one time set a May 1st date and it was trump that destroyed negotiations with the Taliban with his stupid tweets that were undermining the negotiations while they were going on. Once he tweeted that he was pulling all the troops out the Taliban had no reason to bother negotiating in good faith. Diplomacy by twitter doesn't work which is why trump was such a failure.
But here's the snippet:
He also wanted to prevent Afghanistan from becoming like Syria and Yemen
"The UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation can confirm that the UAE has welcomed President Ashraf Ghani and his family into the country on humanitarian grounds," the ministry said."
"In a Facebook video message shared on Wednesday, Ghani reiterated that he left the country to avoid bloodshed. , and avert "dreadful disaster" of "being hanged" had he remained in office."
"The decision was made that whatever happened 25 years ago would be repeated if I had stayed the President of Afghanistan. I would have been hanged in front of the eyes of the people of Afghanistan and this would have been a dreadful disaster in our history," he said."
As bad as the Taliban might be the alternative would be a civil war that would turn the country into scenes like this.
This fallacy has a few other names: “black-and-white fallacy,” “either-or fallacy,” “false dichotomy,” and “bifurcation fallacy.” This line of reasoning fails by limiting the options to two when there are in fact more options to choose from. Sometimes the choices are between one thing, the other thing, or both things together (they don’t exclude each other). Sometimes there is a whole range of options, three, four, five, or a hundred and forty-five. However it may happen, the false dichotomy fallacy errs by oversimplifying the range of options.
Dilemma-based arguments are only fallacious when, in fact, there are more than the stated options. It’s not a fallacy however if there really are only two options. For example, “either Led Zeppelin is the greatest band of all time, or they are not.” That’s a true dilemma, since there really are only two options there: A or non-A. It would be fallacious however to say, “There are only two kinds of people in the world: people who love Led Zeppelin, and people who hate music.” Some people are indifferent about that music. Some sort of like it, or sort of dislike it, but don’t have strong feelings either way.
The false dilemma fallacy is often a manipulative tool designed to polarize the audience, heroicizing one side and demonizing the other. It’s common in political discourse as a way of strong-arming the public into supporting controversial legislation or policies.
Your Turn:
See if you can identify a third option these politicians failed to mention.
Example
“Either we go to war, or we leave Afghanistan right now.”
zeddd
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Literally hundreds are tried each year in Saudi for witchcraft and sorcery for which the death penalty is applied. Taliban will implement Sharia too. Witchcraft is up there with apostasy and being homosexual. All capital offences in Sharia
Yeah that really pokes a hole in my bullshit of them not being 'much' more advanced as we were 300 years ago (minus the ability to mass murder with new weapons).
hanimmal
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Thank you for the different perspective.
