AG Garland appoints special counsel

Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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A government is a codified structure based on community agreement. And yes, the community you live in can dictate to you. That's the whole point.

There are places to live where there is little government. Check them out, see what they're like.
 
Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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I'm talking about the concept of rights, they are a product of societies, 500 years ago you had no rights at all, the local Lord had rights and the King had the most rights of all in most places. In a tribe the people around you gave you the rights of love and forbearance.

Organized modern societies are a different matter, the American colonists didn't revolt against the crown, their legislative assemblies did and they were an English tradition, and they had a civil war about rights 150 years before and chopped the head off one King. Your rights come from your votes and the power they bring regular citizens, the constitution and bill of rights spell those rights out and they can be increased or reduced by amending the constitution and Bill of Rights. The 2nd amendment could be eliminated one day for example, or rights can be increased by changing the law, making pot legal for instance.
 
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Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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Yeah wouldn’t it be great
No speed limit or rules
No laws we just return to being cowboys
Back asswards is your view
 
Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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The definition of governing:

Governing: having authority to conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of a state, organization, or people.

Yeah, you have no inherent right to anything. Not even property, Not even your life. Our rights are spelled out in the Constitution. Where were you when this was explained in your civics class?
 
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Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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to your questions:
1) no
2) invalid inference
3) you bet your bippy
4) do bad cats go to doggie heaven?

to the closing sentence: people are never a singular. “The will of the people” is composite, even when populists invoke it as some sort of legitimizing force. It is the sum of the wills of individuals, and the only “rights” worth half a dead rat are maintained, or not, by a mutable plural consensus.

“Natural rights” is a scam just like (and often associated with) free markets and federalism of the sort that pushes states’ rights. They’re as obsolete as an unconditional right to keep&bear arms.
 
Hotrod2 said:
So no one in the world has an inherent right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness?
So my government is the one who gives me my rights? So my community can tell me what I can and cannot do? Who wants to live in a world where a government dictates to the people? That's just back asswards. The government is subservient to the people.
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Back in Jefferson's day of political philosophy and divine justice, inherent rights mean basic human rights in todays world and are spelled out in the UN charter and its founding document the Atlantic charter in the four freedoms. This is not directly enforceable, but it is a standard that governments should abide by. Our national constitutions and laws further guarantee and enhance these basic human rights, or should. Many state constitutions were written in the 20th century and some like Canada well after the founding of the UN in the 1980s. So today we speak of basic human rights as defined by the UN charter, not inherent rights and Jefferson would probably agree with the update.
 
Fogdog said:
The definition of governing:

Governing: having authority to conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of a state, organization, or people.

Yeah, you have no inherent right to anything. Not even property, Not even your life. Our rights are spelled out in the Constitution. Where were you when this was explained in your civics class?
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Judicial watch might be watching the justice system from the inside.

A possible reason for the delay in Trump's documents case, there are others involved apparently, in both J6 and with the documents.


BREAKING: Special Counsel Jack Smith calls BOMBSHELL Witness to Grand Jury Against Trump
 
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Maybe when Jack indicts Trump, he will ask he that he be held for examination to have his head candled for 90 days, pending trial. A complete report will be issued to the court including IQ and personality tests, Donald will love it! :lol:

Donald is just a stupid asshole with a character defect(s) as far as the law is concerned, the prisons are full of Donald's. A sanity defense is not something the prosecution would present however. Donald's defense lawyers would like to try it, but Donald would have to admit he's not playing with a full deck and doesn't have all his marbles either, unfortunately for Donald stupidity is not a defense and besides his ego wouldn't allow it.

www.thedailybeast.com

NYC Prosecutors Had to Prove ‘Trump Was Not Legally Insane’

A new book reveals that the Manhattan District Attorney's office was worried they couldn’t prove Trump had a sound mind.
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As they prepared to potentially indict Donald Trump for relentlessly lying to banks about his wealth, Manhattan prosecutors were forced to consider whether the former American president was a criminal mastermind or had just lost his mind, according to a new tell-all memoir by a member of that team.

In his book about how that investigation fell apart, former special assistant district attorney Mark Pomerantz explained the kind of hurdles his team had to overcome to build a historic criminal case against the Teflon Don.

“To rebut the claim that Trump believed his own ‘hype’… we would have to show, and stress, that Donald Trump was not legally insane,” Pomerantz wrote.

“Was Donald Trump suffering from some sort of mental condition that made it impossible for him to distinguish between fact and fiction?” he asked, noting that a group of high-powered lawyers advising the DA’s office “discussed whether Trump had been spewing bullshit for so many years about so many things that he could no longer process the difference between bullshit and reality.”

The Daily Beast on Friday received an advance copy of People vs. Donald Trump: An Inside Account, which hits store shelves next Tuesday.

The book has already managed to piss off Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg Jr., who claims it could hurt the investigation he paused but just revived—as well as Trump, who is threatening to sue for defamation.

Pomerantz was recruited in December 2020 by Bragg’s predecessor, Cy Vance Jr., to come out of semi-retirement and lead the investigation. But he and another top lawyer quit in protest when Bragg, who inherited the case, wouldn’t pull the trigger in February 2021.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Maybe when Jack indicts Trump, he will ask he that he be held for examination to have his head candled for 90 days, pending trial. A complete report will be issued to the court including IQ and personality tests, Donald will love it! :lol:

Donald is just a stupid asshole with a character defect(s) as far as the law is concerned, the prisons are full of Donald's. A sanity defense is not something the prosecution would present however. Donald's defense lawyers would like to try it, but Donald would have to admit he's not playing with a full deck and doesn't have all his marbles either, unfortunately for Donald stupidity is not a defense and besides his ego wouldn't allow it.

www.thedailybeast.com

NYC Prosecutors Had to Prove ‘Trump Was Not Legally Insane’

A new book reveals that the Manhattan District Attorney's office was worried they couldn’t prove Trump had a sound mind.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

As they prepared to potentially indict Donald Trump for relentlessly lying to banks about his wealth, Manhattan prosecutors were forced to consider whether the former American president was a criminal mastermind or had just lost his mind, according to a new tell-all memoir by a member of that team.

In his book about how that investigation fell apart, former special assistant district attorney Mark Pomerantz explained the kind of hurdles his team had to overcome to build a historic criminal case against the Teflon Don.

“To rebut the claim that Trump believed his own ‘hype’… we would have to show, and stress, that Donald Trump was not legally insane,” Pomerantz wrote.

“Was Donald Trump suffering from some sort of mental condition that made it impossible for him to distinguish between fact and fiction?” he asked, noting that a group of high-powered lawyers advising the DA’s office “discussed whether Trump had been spewing bullshit for so many years about so many things that he could no longer process the difference between bullshit and reality.”

The Daily Beast on Friday received an advance copy of People vs. Donald Trump: An Inside Account, which hits store shelves next Tuesday.

The book has already managed to piss off Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg Jr., who claims it could hurt the investigation he paused but just revived—as well as Trump, who is threatening to sue for defamation.

Pomerantz was recruited in December 2020 by Bragg’s predecessor, Cy Vance Jr., to come out of semi-retirement and lead the investigation. But he and another top lawyer quit in protest when Bragg, who inherited the case, wouldn’t pull the trigger in February 2021.
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That would prevent him from being able to take office again, so win or lose the world will be better off.
 
CANON_Grow said:
That would prevent him from being able to take office again, so win or lose the world will be better off.
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It would be amusing to have Donald tested and his head candled, but his defense team would have to do it. Under the law, people like Donald are not considered insane, but to have character defects and accountable for their actions. The prisons are full of Donald's and except for luck, connections and money, he would have been there long ago.
 

LEAKED Secret Recordings EXPOSE Trump’s CRIMINAL INTENT

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the secret audio recording of Trump campaign officials in Wisconsin that just leaked in which they admit they lost the 2020 election but would continue to “fan the flames” that the election was stolen.
 
Glenn is a bit strident, but he does have a point, he was a federal prosecutor and sent many people away a lot quicker and with a lot less evidence than the DOJ has in dealing with Trump and his minions. I don't agree with everything Glenn advocates, because politics is involved in this too and the destruction or mauling of the GOP is required, but maga goes or they die.

Jack is a different animal, a tiger and Glenn recognizes it, Jack won't fuck around. Glenn is gonna end up Jack's biggest fan.


Special Counsel Jack Smith subpoenas Mike Pence to testify to grand jury about Donald Trump's crimes

18,230 views Feb 10, 2023 #TeamJustice
In a sure sign that the criminal investigation of Donald Trump's insurrection crimes is moving in the direction of indictments, Special Counsel Jack Smith subpoenaed former Vice President Mike Pence.

When prosecutors investigate large scale conspiracy cases, they generally leave the most consequential and important witnesses for last. This video discusses typical grand jury investigating practices and what can be reasonably be inferred from this latest move by Jack Smith.
 

Is Pence subpoena Trump’s nightmare? Ari Melber breaks down DOJ’s pursuit of 'coup club’

65,143 views Feb 10, 2023 #msnbc #mikepence #trump
Former Vice President Mike Pence has been subpoenaed by the special counsel investigating Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the outcome of the 2020 election. Evidence revealed a pattern of coup pressure on Pence to overturn the election results. The move is among the most aggressive from special counsel Jack Smith, who is also overseeing a second probe into Trump’s handling of classified documents. MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber breaks down what this latest development could mean for Trumpworld.
 
Pence is the last stop on the way to the top over J6, but I still think the documents and obstruction indictments for Trump will come long before any over J6. Pence knows a lot and Donald as well as others must be sweating because Jack will want to know everything.

The J6 trials will happen much closer to the 2024 election and some could be sentenced by then over J6.
 

Special Counsel Jack Smith GOES NUCLEAR with latest SUBPOENA

33,605 views Feb 11, 2023
Special Counsel Jack Smith has just subpoenaed former Trump National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien. MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas breaks it down.
 
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