Aid to Israel rape of American taxpayer

As long as there is war, there will always be peace.

ccodiane said:

We still bleed, WeT. We still die. Until those are remedied, we are still human. As long as we're human, there will always be war.

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"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" Ghandi..

I actually don't know too much about Ghandi besides the fact that he was a peace advocate. But I revere the above quote for its candidness.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

We TaRdED said:

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world" Ghandi..

I actually don't know too much about Ghandi besides the fact that he was a peace advocate. But I revere the above quote for its candidness.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

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Ghandi strove to abolish the "material life". He would be rolling in his grave, had he not been cremated, if he saw India today.

ccodiane said:

"I thought we evolved, as a race, and got over these religious wars that have killed more people than any other reason combined."

We still bleed, WeT. We still die. Until those are remedied, we are still human. As long as we're human, there will always be war.

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FUCK! Thank you! No one ever wants to hear that, they always want to blame something outside ourselves. Religion, yet another human contrivance (yet necessary in my own view) is handy enough, isn't it? So, how would we explain the wars and killing before large-scale organized religion, eh?

Seamaiden said:

FUCK! Thank you! No one ever wants to hear that, they always want to blame something outside ourselves. Religion, yet another human contrivance (yet necessary in my own view) is handy enough, isn't it? So, how would we explain the wars and killing before large-scale organized religion, eh?

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It is very difficult to separate religion from the rise of civilization. In fact, it could be argued that religion existed long before the advent of civilization. Evidence exists of ritual burial at excavated prehistoric sites: both Neanderthal and Homosapien .

I think religion in generally gets an overly bad rap. Not one religion, but all religion, gives so much hope to so many people, if it gives some hapiness to believe in a god or higher power, why interfere? Yes, im fully aware of all the negative consequences and violence commited in its name. but like its been said before, if it wasnt done in the name of religion, wouldnt it just be something else?

mjetta said:

I think religion in generally gets an overly bad rap. Not one religion, but all religion, gives so much hope to so many people, if it gives some hapiness to believe in a god or higher power, why interfere? Yes, im fully aware of all the negative consequences and violence commited in its name. but like its been said before, if it wasnt done in the name of religion, wouldnt it just be something else?

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I must go along with Karl Marx when he wrote:

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. - Karl Marx

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What do opiates do? They dull the senses and provide a false sense of well-being which is quite temporary unless you get another fix.

I have seen otherwise rational people go completely BALLISTIC at the mere suggestion that their religious opinions be challenged in any way whatsoever.

Thankfully we have the First Amendment to protect us from unbalanced religious zealots who would have us ALL pray in public forums.

Johnnyorganic said:

It is very difficult to separate religion from the rise of civilization. In fact, it could be argued that religion existed long before the advent of civilization. Evidence exists of ritual burial at excavated prehistoric sites: both Neanderthal and Homosapien .

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Elephants really do visit the "graveyards" of their "ancestors".

Exactly right.

But if a person on their deathbed can have some of their fear alleviated by thinking they're about to be in a better place, why not?

ccodiane said:

Elephants really do visit the "graveyards" of their "ancestors".

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ive seen that, they cry to, thats really insane and moving

You know why we need religion, and, Marx is wrong? Global warming, government restrictions, Marx himself, etc. With God as your moral boss, it is ultimately you and God making all the decisions that guide you through life. If you don't have the "man up stairs" for guidance, who will MANY look to. Al Gore, government, Marx himself, etc. If people are confused about the big questions, "why are we here", I'd rather they take comfort in knowing that God is there for them as opposed to knowing Al Gore is there for them. Think about it. We all need support at some point, and who better to turn too than a righteous supreme entity, NOT ON THIS EARTH!

PS-I personally believe consciousness is a gift (God?) and I am blessed to posses it, (God?). Essentially, whether there is an omnipotent entity overseeing my daily doings, or not, I will live my life dictated by MY conscience, my God. Religion is what WE want it to be. That is true freedom.

You're making the mistake of assuming religion=God. Is such a thing true of all religious people? No, it's not. Nor can it be said that God must be present in any religion for a person to be good and live a good life.

Johnnyorganic said:

It is very difficult to separate religion from the rise of civilization. In fact, it could be argued that religion existed long before the advent of civilization. Evidence exists of ritual burial at excavated prehistoric sites: both Neanderthal and Homosapien .

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Ah.. I would argue that religion is at least as old as art, and the dates for earliest art are continually being pushed back. I would also argue that, were it NOT for religion, civilizations on a large scale would never have been possible. We would still be hunter-gatherers, in my honest opinion. (I LOVE this stuff, it's why I'm an archaeology nut.)

In this context, though, I would also strongly suggest looking into the ideas of Joseph Campbell, with regard to the utility of religion. I will reiterate a point I've made before, and that is that when people speak of religion they're usually thinking of large, organized religion. Due to my own reading of Campbell and others, I have come to the conclusion that it is a necessary construct. Due to my reading of Ramachandran, I've come to the conclusion that it may turn out to be a physical construct of the brain itself, since epiphanatic episodes can be induced.

Marx, and his ilk, don't dislike religion, they want to BE religion.

Seamaiden said:

Ah.. I would argue that religion is at least as old as art, and the dates for earliest art are continually being pushed back. I would also argue that, were it NOT for religion, civilizations on a large scale would never have been possible. We would still be hunter-gatherers, in my honest opinion. (I LOVE this stuff, it's why I'm an archaeology nut.)

In this context, though, I would also strongly suggest looking into the ideas of Joseph Campbell, with regard to the utility of religion. I will reiterate a point I've made before, and that is that when people speak of religion they're usually thinking of large, organized religion. Due to my own reading of Campbell and others, I have come to the conclusion that it is a necessary construct. Due to my reading of Ramachandran, I've come to the conclusion that it may turn out to be a physical construct of the brain itself, since epiphanatic episodes can be induced.

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Good point, is religion just as destructive when viewed in a one on one relationship type of setup?

mjetta said:

Exactly right.

But if a person on their deathbed can have some of their fear alleviated by thinking they're about to be in a better place, why not?

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I don't have a problem at all with religion, but it is an intensely PERSONAL issue. An individual seeking solace against fear of the unknown is natural. My beef is with those who would impose their religious prejudices on society at large.

No one has the power to dictate their religious beliefs to ME.

I'll stand and fight ANYONE who tries.

Find God Johnny..................

Someone famous once said: I believe it was Descartes;
"When it is not in our power to determine what it true, we ought to follow what is most probable"I feel it probable that Israel is raping our tax system. Can anyone prove me wrong???

Johnnyorganic said:

I don't have a problem at all with religion, but it is an intensely PERSONAL issue. An individual seeking solace against fear of the unknown is natural. My beef is with those who would impose their religious prejudices on society at large.

No one has the power to dictate their religious beliefs to ME.

I'll stand and fight ANYONE who tries.

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I think we just found a point we can agree lol. Nutcases who push their beliefs on others miss the whole point IMO

medicineman said:

Someone famous once said: I believe it was Descartes;
"When it is not in our power to determine what it true, we ought to follow what is most probable"I feel it probable that Israel is raping our tax system. Can anyone prove me wrong???

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ccodiane said:

More importantly, is there a separate contribution line on our taxes for aid to Israel and aid to any other country? No. So the rape occurs and then the spoils are divvied up, some to here, some to there. The rape is not mitigated by the "charitable" nature of some of our aid, to the places you libs feel "deserve" it.

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mjetta said:

ive seen that, they cry to, thats really insane and moving

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No, it's not insane unless you truly consider Homo sapiens to be a species so totally different in every aspect from other animals. While we (as a culture) try not to anthropomorphize animals, we must accept that we came from the same stuff and therefore, that means it's quite possible that there are other animals cognizant enough to share emotions as we do. For all we know elephants and dolphins have their own religion (although, religion does seem to be a unique untestable aspect of the human condition).