Air stone or diffuser

I’m building a bubbling cloner. Anybody use those hose diffusers instead of air stone. I can get 24 ft of it for 30 was thinking of cutting pieces and making a couple cloners or one large one

YES. diffusers kill it over air stones, ive tried building several bubbler cloners over the years and everytime i used air stones id just watch my poor babies die, the most recent i made uses diffusers only and is incredible! uses 2 10" "bubble wall" diffusers (purchased at petsmart) and a 36" "flexible bubble wall" that i setup in a rectangle around the 2 other diffusers to create the ideal spread under all my netcups. hope this helps!

also just to show you how awesome this things been working for me, these pics were taken 5/26 and 5/31 respectively, you can see the in the 5/26 pic the roots were a little darker color, i had them in small coco pots before setting up the bubbler so i rinsed the coco off and put them in the netcups on 5/26, by 5/31 there was an explosive amount of new pearly white roots coming in but still not "breaching" the netcup yet, a short 5 days later theyre all into the water!

Screw them both and use an INLINE water pump so its not submersed and heating your water and a Venturi Valve. So much more oxygenation it's not even funny. And the added bonus of NO NOISE.

Or use a circulationpump. As long as the surface of the water is moving, it is ok.
Either you do this with venturi, flooming, airstones or just punching some holes in a tube.

Airwalker16 said:

Screw them both and use an INLINE water pump so its not submersed and heating your water and a Venturi Valve. So much more oxygenation it's not even funny. And the added bonus of NO NOISE.

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I read about that before but for multiple cloners would that be plausible

Airwalker16 said:

Screw them both and use an INLINE water pump so its not submersed and heating your water and a Venturi Valve. So much more oxygenation it's not even funny. And the added bonus of NO NOISE.

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this is another way to go, little more costly though, if you're doing just a small 6-12 spot cloner id go with the setup like mine. also air pumps still make little to no noise when hung properly.

DailyBlastin said:

also just to show you how awesome this things been working for me, these pics were taken 5/26 and 5/31 respectively, you can see the in the 5/26 pic the roots were a little darker color, i had them in small coco pots before setting up the bubbler so i rinsed the coco off and put them in the netcups on 5/26, by 5/31 there was an explosive amount of new pearly white roots coming in but still not "breaching" the netcup yet, a short 5 days later theyre all into the water!

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Yea I wanted max air bubbles don’t want them rotting.. to clarify I need at least 80 site cloner(s)

budman410 said:

Yea I wanted max air bubbles don’t want them rotting.. to clarify I need at least 80 site cloner(s)

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yea if you need 80+ sites id definitely look into the inline water pump route then, just like i said it gets a bit more costly when you start adding all the bits and pieces you'll need together, i used to manage a large production garden but now i just do 6 plants perpetually for self/family supply.

Airwalker16 said:

Screw them both and use an INLINE water pump so its not submersed and heating your water and a Venturi Valve.

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How do you cool the engine then?

DailyBlastin said:

yea if you need 80+ sites id definitely look into the inline water pump route then, just like i said it gets a bit more costly when you start adding all the bits and pieces you'll need together, i used to manage a large production garden but now i just do 6 plants perpetually for self/family supply.

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Bits and pieces? It's literally a 1/2" vinyl tube, with a smaller 5/16" vinyl tube stuck inside of it,and another 1/2" piece of tube on the other end. Use a rainbird irrigation fitting cut at a 45* of ONLY WHAT'S INSIDE THE TUBE, Stuck into the center of the 5/16" and add some small 1/4" drip line tubing for the suction line. Maybe use some marine grade heat shrink and some Teflon at the connections to make it nice and sealed. That's it. Costs is literally less than a dollar. EBay sells inline pumps for less than $10.

Airwalker16 said:

Bits and pieces? It's literally a 1/2" vinyl tube, with a smaller 5/16" vinyl tube stuck inside of it,and another 1/2" piece of tube on the other end. Use a rainbird irrigation fitting cut at a 45* of ONLY WHAT'S INSIDE THE TUBE, Stuck into the center of the 5/16" and add some small 1/4" drip line tubing for the suction line. Maybe use some marine grade heat shrink and some Teflon at the connections to make it nice and sealed. That's it. Costs is literally less than a dollar. EBay sells inline pumps for less than $10.

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Yea that’s not too much it looking at one looks like a mini puzzle. Since this isn’t aero, I just make sure some part of the bottom stem makes contact with the water when they are first placed in the tote. I’m trying to get an idea of how many totes and their size I would need. I want to be able to scale up to possibly 100-120 sites

Airwalker16 said:

Bits and pieces? It's literally a 1/2" vinyl tube, with a smaller 5/16" vinyl tube stuck inside of it,and another 1/2" piece of tube on the other end. Use a rainbird irrigation fitting cut at a 45* of ONLY WHAT'S INSIDE THE TUBE, Stuck into the center of the 5/16" and add some small 1/4" drip line tubing for the suction line. Maybe use some marine grade heat shrink and some Teflon at the connections to make it nice and sealed. That's it. Costs is literally less than a dollar. EBay sells inline pumps for less than $10.

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Or you buy one for around $2
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/G1-2-G3-4-Irrigation-Venturi-Fertilizer-Mixer-Injectors-Agriculture-Garden-Water-Tube-Garden-Hot-Tub/32680989169.html

Keesje said:

Or you buy one for around $2
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/G1-2-G3-4-Irrigation-Venturi-Fertilizer-Mixer-Injectors-Agriculture-Garden-Water-Tube-Garden-Hot-Tub/32680989169.html

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I have those they don't work. Waste of $6. they dont have a 45* tube going in.

Here's a guide buddy.
It's very simple. Do the same for the other side obviously. Then make sure you buy a $2 hole puncher made for those irrigation plugs so its really snug. Use marine grade shrink because it has a glue on the inside that melts. You would at the end, cut the lengths on each end to the appropriate size and stick one on a pump.

Remember this is just 1/2" & 5/16" black vinyl pipe you can buy on eBay by the foot from Bay hydro. The small line is just drip irrigation you'd buy in unison with the drip fittings at home Depot/Lowe's.

Also make sur THE LONG SIDE of the 45* is facing the water flow(towards pump) or else it actually SPRAYS Water out the tube haha. Also adding some hot glue or something where the fitting inserts might not be a bad idea but ita not super important.

You will be so amazed at how much oxygen these bring into your water through that suction line.

I have them as well.
Worked great with me.
Weird.
Perhaps they are internally not all the same.
I also only paid $1.80 a piece for them.
Including shipping from China.

But I do like DIY.
Gives more satisfaction and saving a buck here and there gives me a good feeling as well.

Keesje said:

I have them as well.
Work great with me.
Weird.
Perhaps they are internally not all the same.
I also only paid $1.80 a piece for them.
Including shipping from China.

But I do like DIY.
Gives more satisfaction and saving a buck here and there gives me a good feeling as well.

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I bet they're the same components. A small nylon disc, a nylon ball, and a small spring under the threaded cap. There's no 45*. You might be missing out on what Venturi can REALLY do perhaps. Build one DIY and see if it's better?

I did build them before myself.
The one I bought gives me the same amount of bubbles.
But maybe I builded a shitty one. hahaha.

Also when I used my DO meter, they gave about the same number.

Don't use them anymore, but they agitate the watersurface in a good way.

Airwalker16 said:

I bet they're the same components. A small nylon disc, a nylon ball, and a small spring under the threaded cap. There's no 45*. You might be missing out on what Venturi can REALLY do perhaps. Build one DIY and see if it's better?

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It’s so tempting to just buy one but I have everything but the 5/16 tubing I’ll call the local shop see if they have some. I’ll give it a try today. If I get even slightly frustrated I’m just going to buy clone kings cloner seen a deal for two 64 sites for 240

Airwalker16 said:

I bet they're the same components. A small nylon disc, a nylon ball, and a small spring under the threaded cap. There's no 45*. You might be missing out on what Venturi can REALLY do perhaps. Build one DIY and see if it's better?

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So I can use 3/4 tubing with a reducer and 1/2 tubing?