Aliens

Philly_Buddah · May 13, 2010

Padawanbater2 said:
There is just not enough evidence to say it's proof of anything. We can speculate all we want, I'm just interested in cold hard facts.

When you think about how large the universe is it's not plausible for another advanced species to have visited the Earth, if they did, we'd have hard evidence.

We do have hard evidence, you just havent seen it.

What makes you think average citzens like you and me would be able to see the hard evidence that the government and a select few have and have seen? Theres been several groups and operations made by the government itself to try and cover up everything they could about the space ships and the aliens. Ever notice how even when evidence is shown by others the government still lies about it and brushes it off as either nothing or makes up some ridiculous explanation or excuse for it? They dont even admit to things that are clearly and blatantly evident, say people see a UFO and this is backed up with recordings of the craft on radar, the government or whatever organization will initially say they had nothing flying then admit to having something flying to explain this away, other times they have no comment on it.

I can see from your posts that youre not that well informed and are still at the very beginning stages and states of mind on these topics especially as far as understanding and doing research. Do some real research for yourself, watch some real documentaries, talk to some of these people and go look for the evidence. Trust me its out there, you just cant expect to be so out in the open. Understand that people have been killed over this stuff and trying to show evidence.

Padawanbater2 said:
One look at the wikipedia page on that guy and you can tell he's no different than any other con artist.

I did a lot of research on Billy Meier and that whole story a few years ago, its definitely not all BS. There were some parts of the story that sounded unbelievable. Multiple people that otherwise had nothing to do with Billy Meier have vouched for a lot of this as theyve seen a lot of it their self, and experienced a lot of it. Several people have brought back a lot of the evidence and pictures he took and shown them at presentations, look it up some of its even on youtube.

Billy Meier is definitely not the only one though. Look around and youll see that is so much proof of intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, certain things that arent supposed to be anywhere near possible by modern humans and technology is happening. All the way down to things like cattle mutiliation and crop circles, the way both are done is impossible with modern human technology

Padawanbater2 · May 13, 2010

Philly_Buddah said:
We do have hard evidence, you just havent seen it.

What makes you think average citzens like you and me would be able to see the hard evidence that the government and a select few have and have seen? Theres been several groups and operations made by the government itself to try and cover up everything they could about the space ships and the aliens. Ever notice how even when evidence is shown by others the government still lies about it and brushes it off as either nothing or makes up some ridiculous explanation or excuse for it? They dont even admit to things that are clearly and blatantly evident, say people see a UFO and this is backed up with recordings of the craft on radar, the government or whatever organization will initially say they had nothing flying then admit to having something flying to explain this away, other times they have no comment on it.

I can see from your posts that youre not that well informed and are still at the very beginning stages and states of mind on these topics especially as far as understanding and doing research. Do some real research for yourself, watch some real documentaries, talk to some of these people and go look for the evidence. Trust me its out there, you just cant expect to be so out in the open. Understand that people have been killed over this stuff and trying to show evidence.

I did a lot of research on Billy Meier and that whole story a few years ago, its definitely not all BS. There were some parts of the story that sounded unbelievable. Multiple people that otherwise had nothing to do with Billy Meier have vouched for a lot of this as theyve seen a lot of it their self, and experienced a lot of it. Several people have brought back a lot of the evidence and pictures he took and shown them at presentations, look it up some of its even on youtube.

Billy Meier is definitely not the only one though. Look around and youll see that is so much proof of intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, certain things that arent supposed to be anywhere near possible by modern humans and technology is happening. All the way down to things like cattle mutiliation and crop circles, the way both are done is impossible with modern human technology

So an intelligent life form has visited the Earth, traveled at least 4 light years (as that's the closest star system) to get here, and our governments are covering up their existence?

Explain to me how that would happen? They have all this technology to travel through outer space but once they get here they can't make their demands known or show themselves to humanity or overcome our governments or what?

How do you explain that?

stonedmetalhead1 · May 13, 2010

Philly_Buddah said:
We do have hard evidence, you just havent seen it.

What makes you think average citzens like you and me would be able to see the hard evidence that the government and a select few have and have seen? Theres been several groups and operations made by the government itself to try and cover up everything they could about the space ships and the aliens. Ever notice how even when evidence is shown by others the government still lies about it and brushes it off as either nothing or makes up some ridiculous explanation or excuse for it? They dont even admit to things that are clearly and blatantly evident, say people see a UFO and this is backed up with recordings of the craft on radar, the government or whatever organization will initially say they had nothing flying then admit to having something flying to explain this away, other times they have no comment on it.

I can see from your posts that youre not that well informed and are still at the very beginning stages and states of mind on these topics especially as far as understanding and doing research. Do some real research for yourself, watch some real documentaries, talk to some of these people and go look for the evidence. Trust me its out there, you just cant expect to be so out in the open. Understand that people have been killed over this stuff and trying to show evidence.

I did a lot of research on Billy Meier and that whole story a few years ago, its definitely not all BS. There were some parts of the story that sounded unbelievable. Multiple people that otherwise had nothing to do with Billy Meier have vouched for a lot of this as theyve seen a lot of it their self, and experienced a lot of it. Several people have brought back a lot of the evidence and pictures he took and shown them at presentations, look it up some of its even on youtube.

Billy Meier is definitely not the only one though. Look around and youll see that is so much proof of intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, certain things that arent supposed to be anywhere near possible by modern humans and technology is happening. All the way down to things like cattle mutiliation and crop circles, the way both are done is impossible with modern human technology

Billy Meier is a lunatic and also considers himself a prophet. Aliens are yet another tool used by the government to keep us occupied. Do I believe aliens exist? Yes! Do I think they've been here? No. I don't even think aliens would be what people expect. To think in all the universe that no other form of life exists would be irrational. I do think the government has technology we don't know about and are responsible for UFO sightings and other unexplainable events. The government just simply doesn't want us to know what technology they do have so they make it seem like a conspiracy. People see a UFO and think aliens; I think government.

dirty1 · May 14, 2010

ive been quite interested in this subject or a while... but only really lookied into it after watching the movie "The Fourth Kind". it has included "actual video and sound recordings" and sparked more interest for me... i then also came across a video (its on youtube) that was about 62 (i think) students in africa in the 1990's, before things were overly commercialised, and all of the students claimed to have seen a ufo land, and beings exit it and look at them, before leaving again. all of these children drew the same descriptive images and all of which claimed to have overwhelming ideas that came into their heads while these "beings" were staring at them. all of these "ideas" contained very similar themes, and i believe my interpretation of them was about our exploitation of earth, and its resources.

quite a few other video's and recordings of encounters i have heard and seen have contained similar messages (well, interpreted similarly by myself).

One thing that does make me laugh though, is when people ask whether there is OTHER intelligent life out there... and i dunno, personally i think they should be asking whether there is intelligent life out there, as after a bit of thought the human race could be percieved as very primative. while we have the mental capacity to perform acts percieved as intelligent, we thrive off exploiting others and our earth, to a non-sustainable level, and with the brutality often associated with this exploitation i would not say we are overly intelligent at all, but possibly just greedy. i mean, lets look at Africa, one of the most resource rich continents int he world, yet one of the poorest and most trouble ridden due to wealthier nations using them as a get rich quick scheme. i think back on page 1 when somebody referred to what wold happen if we found other life very true, as exploitation seems to be one of our strongest "human natures". and the fact that there has been millions of witnesses to ufo's and alien encounters worldwide i think that we can assume that they are more intelligent than ourselves, and very different due to the fact that i dont think there is anything leading us to think they are exploiting us...

this may cause some mixed emotions... but oh well...

Philly_Buddah · May 15, 2010

Padawanbater2 said:
So an intelligent life form has visited the Earth, traveled at least 4 light years (as that's the closest star system) to get here, and our governments are covering up their existence?

Explain to me how that would happen? They have all this technology to travel through outer space but once they get here they can't make their demands known or show themselves to humanity or overcome our governments or what?

How do you explain that?

Sounds farfetched (not really), ever consider that they could be working with the government? There could be certain things that theyre allowed and not allowed to do. Or possibly they made the decision themselves and want to keep a distance and just observe us, maybe giving little hints of their existence here and there. If the fact that intelligent extra terrestrials exist was given to the public it would cause a panic and people would be asking so many questions, you could say were underestimating humans but it would be excited and a lot of things would shut down. The cure for aids and all diseases? the truth about god? everything supernatural? where did we come from? religion has most of the planet brainwashed and these people have shown theyre willing to kill many as it is, you really have to consider all these things and what it would mean if aliens really revealed themselves, whole countries would be shut down the world would be a mess possibly millions killes in the process, not certain but its all a major possibility. Little by little were learning more but clearly its not time yet for them to reveal themselves, its declassification and a process.

And humans are looking at ways to reach far away places instantly, everything is connected, many respected people believe its possible. If the aliens are that far advanced they would most likely have found a way to travel faster than the speed of light or instantly, it doesnt have to be worm holes, parallel universes, dimensions, etc.

stonedmetalhead1 said:
Billy Meier is a lunatic and also considers himself a prophet. Aliens are yet another tool used by the government to keep us occupied. Do I believe aliens exist? Yes! Do I think they've been here? No. I don't even think aliens would be what people expect. To think in all the universe that no other form of life exists would be irrational. I do think the government has technology we don't know about and are responsible for UFO sightings and other unexplainable events. The government just simply doesn't want us to know what technology they do have so they make it seem like a conspiracy. People see a UFO and think aliens; I think government.

Of course the government has technology we dont know about, thats already a given and has been proven in the past. Just look at the cold war they just couldnt give out all their information on whatever they were doing, same thing now theres always a threat. Its possible that some of it may be the government, but maybe that technology was given to them by extraterrestrials. Theres been cases where theres actually people controlling flying saucers, supposedly the secret is controlling the frequencies I watched several unrelated articles and programs about that.

and to dirty1 I heard of that thing in Africa too, there was actually another similar incident that just happened a few years ago.

Padawanbater2 · May 15, 2010

Philly_Buddah said:
Sounds farfetched (not really), ever consider that they could be working with the government? There could be certain things that theyre allowed and not allowed to do. Or possibly they made the decision themselves and want to keep a distance and just observe us, maybe giving little hints of their existence here and there. If the fact that intelligent extra terrestrials exist was given to the public it would cause a panic and people would be asking so many questions, you could say were underestimating humans but it would be excited and a lot of things would shut down. The cure for aids and all diseases? the truth about god? everything supernatural? where did we come from? religion has most of the planet brainwashed and these people have shown theyre willing to kill many as it is, you really have to consider all these things and what it would mean if aliens really revealed themselves, whole countries would be shut down the world would be a mess possibly millions killes in the process, not certain but its all a major possibility. Little by little were learning more but clearly its not time yet for them to reveal themselves, its declassification and a process.

And humans are looking at ways to reach far away places instantly, everything is connected, many respected people believe its possible. If the aliens are that far advanced they would most likely have found a way to travel faster than the speed of light or instantly, it doesnt have to be worm holes, parallel universes, dimensions, etc.

First you say the government is covering them up... then you say the aliens might be working with the government...

And guess what, neither of them make sense.

It's not realistic for such an advanced species to travel to our planet then not be able to overcome our government and it's not realistic for them to be working together. I'm not interested in "well.. maybe.." statements.

LightningMcGreen · May 15, 2010

i kinda see Padawanbater2's point. I mean, if WE could travel back in time to the very first humans, and say "hey, were from the future. we bring you intelligence and technology" they probably wouldnt have the slightest ability to grasp that much evolution in a given time. we would be as useless as insects to intelligence that had those capabilities. why would we be so interesting? we still kill ourselves over the bible, money, and any and everything in between. for all we know we could be an experiment of theirs, much like an ant farm lol but who knos...

Philly_Buddah · May 16, 2010

Padawanbater2 said:
First you say the government is covering them up... then you say the aliens might be working with the government...

And guess what, neither of them make sense.

It's not realistic for such an advanced species to travel to our planet then not be able to overcome our government and it's not realistic for them to be working together. I'm not interested in "well.. maybe.." statements.

The government is covering it up from the public, and they are working with the aliens, its not possible to do both?.

You say that apparently without realizing there are many different alien species and different situations, some of whats being covered up is the aliens themselves and others are the governments mistakes along with other situations.

Of course its not realistic and I never said it was, the aliens could easily overcome the government and they may be but not in the obvious unintelligent way that youre thinking of. Theyve been visiting us for thousands of years, why would they need to all of a sudden blow up some buildings and appear in front of the whitehouse for everyone in the world?

and if youre not interested in "well, maybe" statements I have to laugh that youre having an argument about aliens as if its possible for me to pull up 100% proof somehow.

Philly_Buddah · May 16, 2010

LightningMcGreen said:
i kinda see Padawanbater2's point. I mean, if WE could travel back in time to the very first humans, and say "hey, were from the future. we bring you intelligence and technology" they probably wouldnt have the slightest ability to grasp that much evolution in a given time. we would be as useless as insects to intelligence that had those capabilities. why would we be so interesting? we still kill ourselves over the bible, money, and any and everything in between. for all we know we could be an experiment of theirs, much like an ant farm lol but who knos...

Somewhat true, but you have to understand its not just 1 thing out there. Supposedly one of the things out there is very advanced humans either from other areas or that know how to time travel and come back.

Its hard to understand the knowledge of a lifeform with that advanced intelligence and what their intent would be, but some are even coming here for things like human abduction and cattle mutilation so...

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2010

Philly_Buddah said:
Somewhat true, but you have to understand its not just 1 thing out there. Supposedly one of the things out there is very advanced humans either from other areas or that know how to time travel and come back.

Its hard to understand the knowledge of a lifeform with that advanced intelligence and what their intent would be, but some are even coming here for things like human abduction and cattle mutilation so...

1 piece of evidence to support any of the shit you're saying. Just 1.

Philly_Buddah · May 17, 2010

Padawanbater2 said:
1 piece of evidence to support any of the shit you're saying. Just 1.

A piece of evidence as in what?

All I can offer you now is internet links to webpages and hour long documentaries. Im sure you could easily google it yourself. If not you have to understand Ive been researching/studying this stuff on and off line for 3-4 years now Ill have to find the links for the online parts again.

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2010

Philly_Buddah said:
A piece of evidence as in what?

All I can offer you now is internet links to webpages and hour long documentaries. Im sure you could easily google it yourself. If not you have to understand Ive been researching/studying this stuff on and off line for 3-4 years now Ill have to find the links for the online parts again.

Specifics. I don't want to go through hours of video footage or documentaries. To tell you the truth, I've done it before. They are all the same and leave the audience with even more questions than they had to begin with.

I want you to go through the documentaries or video clips you would send me, pick out the bits that you think are either undeniable proof or scientific proof or some kind of hard evidence to support the idea that an intelligent alien species has visited this planet, or any of the other claims you've been making.

I don't want speculation, hearsay, or unscientific data - by that I mean anything you can't measure. I don't want you to pick an object or artifact - then proclaim "well, we don't know how it happened or who made it, so smart aliens must be the answer" because that's exactly what creationists do with God. It isn't proof of anything. You're inserting whatever you want in place of the actual explanation. Like the pyramids example that was used.

So what kind of evidence do you have to support these ideas?

Wild · May 17, 2010

Padawanbater2 said:
I want you to go through the documentaries or video clips you would send me, pick out the bits that you think are either undeniable proof or scientific proof or some kind of hard evidence to support the idea that an intelligent alien species has visited this planet, or any of the other claims you've been making.

There is no entirely accurate evidence, or it would be well known fact, the point is there is no sure evidence to disprove the theory. There are however many questions to ask about the interest in Unidentified Flying Objects for many recorded peoples in history. I understand that the Philly has researched this area far more than I, but I will leave a link or two per post from now on. I'll also reply in more detail later. Would it be worth relating the mystery of Rods to this debate?

Padawan, despite your thoughts on aliens visiting our ancestors, do you believe that aliens, or at least UFOs are sometimes present in the modern day. Ever increasing encounters and mass sightings surely can't be denied, thousands or even millions can't be sharing the same over-active imagination that the authorities put it down to. Not to mention the many sightings which go unreported. Since the 2nd World War, sightings have risen massively and many see it as a warning and it's true that many of our problems are rising too (surprisingly the late 60s/early 70s had a drop in reports compared to what was expected).

Famous but remaining a mystery is the SETI message, a random signal once appearing, then never heard from again which nobody yet has explained:

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2010

Wild said:
There is no entirely accurate evidence, or it would be well known fact, the point is there is no sure evidence to disprove the theory. There are however many questions to ask about the interest in Unidentified Flying Objects for many recorded peoples in history. I understand that the Philly has researched this area far more than I, but I will leave a link or two per post from now on. I'll also reply in more detail later. Would it be worth relating the mystery of Rods to this debate?

Padawan, despite your thoughts on aliens visiting our ancestors, do you believe that aliens, or at least UFOs are sometimes present in the modern day. Ever increasing encounters and mass sightings surely can't be denied, thousands or even millions can't be sharing the same over-active imagination that the authorities put it down to. Not to mention the many sightings which go unreported. Since the 2nd World War, sightings have risen massively and many see it as a warning and it's true that many of our problems are rising too (surprisingly the late 60s/early 70s had a drop in reports compared to what was expected).

Famous but remaining a mystery is the SETI message, a random signal once appearing, then never heard from again which nobody yet has explained:
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OK, so why not so interested in the Loch Ness Monster or Bigfoot? There's no evidence to disprove those theories either, right?

WE DO NOT DETERMINE REALITY BY WHAT IS NOT THERE, WE DETERMINE REALITY BY WHAT IS THERE.

That is the problem. There's nothing, not a single thing, one piece of tangible, measurable data or observations. Nothing to check. The ONLY THING we have are eyewitness accounts of something someone saw one time and things that have yet to be explained (which doesn't mean it's automatically alien in nature).

People think they see things all the time. Eyewitness accounts, even if they're in the thousands, are not substantial evidence to support the idea that intelligent life has/is visited/visiting the planet Earth. You jump from "I saw a UFO!" to "it was aliens!" - how do you know a UFO flying in our atmosphere would be an alien species from some other planet? How do you know it didn't come from the Earth? These are things you don't know, but your brain automatically attaches explanations to, because it's programmed to.

The SETI signal could be literally anything, again, not substantial evidence to support alien life.

I of course believe aliens exist, but my position is that they have never visited the Earth because I haven't seen enough evidence to suggest that they have.

LightningMcGreen · May 17, 2010

I couldn't say either way whether they have or haven't been here, but i would think that if aliens had the technology to travel through hyperspace, master and harness gravity and anti-matter, then they could probably walk/fly/stand/sit right next to us and we wouldnt have a clue, i.e. some sort of cloaking technology. I watched a youtube video about alla this kinda stuff n i came across one that said there was a college here in the US of A that had mastered PARTIAL invisibility on some random object by just bending the light and making it go around the object. Plus the NASA Tether incident was somethin pretty wild, at least i thought so lol and when your talkin of "other beings" with which would pretty much be God-like capabilities, you have to think outside the box when it comes to wondering why we cant see them or dont know of their existence...cuz they have some unheard of technology, unheard of understandings of science, etc etc

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2010

Yes but why would they come here just to crash land and be captured? Or why wouldn't they make their existence known? Why wouldn't they just kill us all and be done with it if that were their intentions? It seems like if they are here, our governments are somehow covering up their existence - not a likely possibility as I explained earlier, or they don't want to be known - now what's the answer for that question? Why would they come and not make themselves known? What's their purpose? The point? Why would they travel such great distances for essentially nothing?

LightningMcGreen · May 17, 2010

who knos what goes on in the depths of space, for what reasons...i mean, you've mastered time travel, what the hell else you gunna do? LOL i mean ina sort-of serious sense, what more could one need to achieve? ina possible INFINITE, never ending uni (or multi) verse, its unlikely someone would find it rational to try n take it ALL over, hence no real need for war. You wouldn't need shit! just to sit back and explore everything else that is out there, take a few notes, and keep on ridin lol just like a zoo. is that makin any sense, or am i just too hi haha

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2010

There has to be a reason. Take us for example. Would we travel all the way across space just to go? Once we got there, discovered another species (especially if it was "intelligent" or could communicate somehow) would we not try to initiate contact? Even if it's some sort of space warp kind of thing where they can arrive here instantly, they wouldn't come and just fly around in our atmosphere for nothing, right? Stay just in sight, but right out of view? It just doesn't make any sense to me. I've seen the tether incident too, and agree it's pretty weird footage that definitely needs some explaining, along with countless other clips right out of NASA, but to jump to the conclusion that it's aliens from another planet is not rational. There is nothing to support it. I'm interested in all the data and material evidence that points to there being aliens visiting Earth, but it's always admissible and doesn't hold up to the science, and eyewitness accounts just aren't enough proof.

LightningMcGreen · May 17, 2010

Totally agree with you on the eyewitness accounts. You got every backwoods hillbilly tellin tall tales of gettin upducted or uploadin their youtube would-be "close encounter videos". It purges what might be true stories all over. But really, when thinkin outside the box, the question isnt "why?" its more "why not?". again, when you're able to do anything you want, what else is there to do? As for us, sure, theres so many questions about space, that really thats the only way we would be able to start! Shove off, take some supplies, hope you come back n tell us what ya found when ya do! Then, we'll study THAT shit down here, while we send ya off again to see what ELSE you can find. When the possibilites are limitless, there is only infinite knowledge to be gained

Rainshinee · May 17, 2010

skunkushybrid said:
The type that come from other planets.

Anyone believe they have landed on Earth? Not that they don't exist as I believe they do, the odds of them not are too great. Actually believe though that they have landed on Earth? Or that they kidnap people for experiments?

I do believe very much in life on other planets. I do believe that they have landed on earth, and that the government does cover things like that up. I don't exactly think that they look like the Hollywood alien, they could have any sort of physical appearance. I would die a sad person without some sort of proof of aliens in my lifetime.

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