Aliens

skunkushybrid said:

Different types of aliens, all with the same ethos? Not one of them is aggressive? Or maybe there's some type of inter galactic battle going on and our masters (the greys) are protecting us?.

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This very well could be the case.

I Have No Master, So Speak For Your Self Only!

Erniedytn said:

It has even been said by some people that the greys are actually time travelers. They say they are us from the far off future coming back to harvest DNA and other assorted bodily fluids because they no longer have the ability to reproduce.

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Time Travel is impossible. Even in theory the only direction you can travel is forwards. I have an old thread on this subject too somewhere if you'd like me to pull it up. In fact I might anyway as it's an old thread and it will be in the wrong section as this section is relatively new.

I likened what we perceive aliens to look like to Darwins evolutuionary picture of mankind because this is where we (or rather the movies) have gotten the imagery for these greys.

People are seeing them because the movies are telling them these are what the aliens look like. The first ever recorded abduction was actually in Brazil some time before 1960's, where the guy was abducted by female aliens and raped repeatedly. The creatures he described, I believe, were covered in hair.

Unfortunate, but I believe we are much more alone than anyone thinks. There is life out there, maybe even sentient life... There will come a time as we colonise the stars that our paths will meet. They are out there, somewhere. But that time is a long way away, maybe even a couple million years. When we do meet, we better hope that we are at least on an equal footing to them. All creatures on this planet are territorial, all fight each other, and all fear other animals... even us. If they're stronger than us the law of nature says they will seek to destroy us, even in friendship they would try to change us, mould us to their way of thinking... just as we would try to do to them.

This alien belief thing is tantamount to believing in a god. You even believe that these aliens are our creators... It makes no sense. Doesn't add up.

skunkushybrid said:

Time Travel is impossible. Even in theory the only direction you can travel is forwards. I have an old thread on this subject too somewhere if you'd like me to pull it up. In fact I might anyway as it's an old thread and it will be in the wrong section as this section is relatively new.

I likened what we perceive aliens to look like to Darwins evolutuionary picture of mankind because this is where we (or rather the movies) have gotten the imagery for these greys.

People are seeing them because the movies are telling them these are what the aliens look like. The first ever recorded abduction was actually in Brazil some time before 1960's, where the guy was abducted by female aliens and raped repeatedly. The creatures he described, I believe, were covered in hair.

Unfortunate, but I believe we are much more alone than anyone thinks. There is life out there, maybe even sentient life... There will come a time as we colonise the stars that our paths will meet. They are out there, somewhere. But that time is a long way away, maybe even a couple million years. When we do meet, we better hope that we are at least on an equal footing to them. All creatures on this planet are territorial, all fight each other, and all fear other animals... even us. If they're stronger than us the law of nature says they will seek to destroy us, even in friendship they would try to change us, mould us to their way of thinking... just as we would try to do to them.

This alien belief thing is tantamount to believing in a god. You even believe that these aliens are our creators... It makes no sense. Doesn't add up.

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I'm with you on the time travel thing.

People are seeing aliens because aliens are visiting Earth. That dude was raped by Bigfoot, but still where did Betty and Barney Hill get their description of a grey from? They were not scientific people. It seems that no matter what each of us says the other is not going to sway. I think we have both presented a good argument, but unfortunately I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. One more note--the Bible says god created us in his image.........

skunkushybrid said:

I believe there is something out there, maybe BILLIONS of LIGHT YEARS away, but there all the same. But as far as visiting this planet is concerned I always like to think of it like this.

Say it is us that find life first. We come across a planet with sentient living beings. They're not as advanced as us (we've discovered the warp-drive), they've only just discovered the wheel.

What would We do? The first thing we'd do is more than likely check out the planet's resources. Technology uses a lot of these. Then when we discovered the richness of it as the inhabitants technology is limited to cutting down a few trees. We'd go and take it. Maybe the Aliens would put up a little struggle, but they'd be no match for us. We'd take everything they had and then try and teach them how to form Governments. Most of our major advancements have come through WARS.

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It’s a very pessimistic scenario you have described, skunk. And correct, if the humans of today were exploring.

But if we are advanced to point of being able to reach a civilization billions of light years away, I prefer a more optimistic view. Like, our advancements have taught us a respect for ALL life forms and the homes they inhabit.

I prefer to dream that in the future, humans will have learned their lessons. It’s just a dream. Maybe my children’s children will see it.

Erniedytn said:

It has even been said by some people that the greys are actually time travelers. They say they are us from the far off future coming back to harvest DNA and other assorted bodily fluids because they no longer have the ability to reproduce.

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Everything you said so far about aliens is conjecture. No offense. It's shows great imagination, a little paranoia. It's great sci-fi, but not science; which should be testable.

And there could be many other rational reasons for the lights people see in the night sky. Why do people automatically assume aliens?

So, no one ever offers hard proof. And none of the incapable governments of this world could pull off the kind of cover-ups required to fool a nation as large and advanced as the U.S., without the neurolizor technology of ‘Men in Black.’

So, no. I personally doubt the existence of regular visits of intelligent aliens from other planets.

But I keep an open mind…and heart. I would love to meet an interstellar traveler. I’d offer him a J and ask if they have bud where he’s from. Maybe he rolls his own and we’d get chinese off of Venus Lights or something.

closet.cult said:

It’s a very pessimistic scenario you have described, skunk. And correct, if the humans of today were exploring.

But if we are advanced to point of being able to reach a civilization billions of light years away, I prefer a more optimistic view.

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Why is everyone so intent on "billions of light years away"? Is it so hard to believe that there is other life right here in our own solar system?

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And there could be many other rational reasons for the lights people see in the night sky. Why do people automatically assume aliens?

So, no one ever offers hard proof. And none of the incapable governments of this world could pull off the kind of cover-ups required to fool a nation as large and advanced as the U.S., without the neurolizor technology of ‘Men in Black.’

So, no. I personally doubt the existence of regular visits of intelligent aliens from other planets.

But I keep an open mind…and heart. I would love to meet an interstellar traveler. I’d offer him a J and ask if they have bud where he’s from. Maybe he rolls his own and we’d get chinese off of Venus Lights or something. [/quote]


Like I said before. I do not believe the whole time travel scenario.

You are right about the lights. For all we know they could be government air craft. But what about all the liscenced FAA commercial pilots that report silver discs flying past their airplanes at breakneck speeds, pulling off manuevers we could never begine to imagine, with little to no sound?

As for the hard proof, there was more of that in ancient civilizations than there is today.

You think the government is incapable of keeping us in the dark? Thats ridiculous. the superpowers of this world have already gone to great lengths to pull the wool over our eyes on many different scenarios, and they did it w/o the "neuralizer". I think that if you do the research, you will find that many of the truths you believe today are in fact all lies. The USA was founded on lies, and will continue to run on lies until something really drastic happens.

I would give my left nut to be able to toke with an alien. That would be the coolest shit EVER!!!!

skunkushybrid said:

Time Travel is impossible. Even in theory the only direction you can travel is forwards. I have an old thread on this subject too somewhere if you'd like me to pull it up. .

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I think that would be interesting. just to see what other people have to say about it. It's always fun to just daydream about some shit.

Erniedytn said:

Why is everyone so intent on "billions of light years away"? Is it so hard to believe that there is other life right here in our own solar system?

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it need not be 'billions of light years' away, but if INTELLIGENT life were in this solar system we should have picked up signs of them so far.

Erniedytn said:

But what about all the liscenced FAA commercial pilots that report silver discs flying past their airplanes at breakneck speeds, pulling off manuevers we could never begine to imagine, with little to no sound?

You think the government is incapable of keeping us in the dark? Thats ridiculous. the superpowers of this world have already gone to great lengths to pull the wool over our eyes on many different scenarios, and they did it w/o the "neuralizer". I think that if you do the research, you will find that many of the truths you believe today are in fact all lies.

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breakneck speeds, with no sounds. hmmmm. look, there's no telling what they were seeing. i mean, THEY don't even know, right? but the sunny sky and nightime sky can play tricks on you. if you've ever flown in the cockpit, you'd know. it can be hard to judge distance and space. so, i wouldn't assume aliens so quickly.

i think the government can hide facts and partition information in such a way to keep the public in the dark. but aliens that are out in the open, flying around impossible aircrafts are outside of any person or group's control. evidence would eventually mount. so far, the evidence is crummy; mostly hill billies and disoriented pilots. as rational, skeptical people we must demand greater proof for peoples 'stories'.

it's just like god. if I cannot see, test or prove your story, I don't have to take it seriously.

closet.cult said:

it need not be 'billions of light years' away, but if INTELLIGENT life were in this solar system we should have picked up signs of them so far.

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Exactly. We fire out radio waves with messages far into space in the hope that some intelligent life will pick it up, and I don't know, maybe stop by for a chat.

If we picked up these waves from another planet what would we do? We'd shit ourselves.

This alien belief is just another way of not accepting that we are our own masters. Maybe eventually even this god(s) that we dream of. One day it will be us creating new life, making planets habitable...

Science has it all, all the magic you're searching for. What about the nano-world? A very real place within our own reality. The world of the very small. Quantum Mechanics, there is so much we have yet to learn and discover. We've done it well so far on our own.

Sorry closet.cult, hopefully if it does take millions of years to meet these aliens then we might treat them differently. Do you think we might hide from them and kidnap them instead for experiments, but our morals at the time prevent us from doing the creatures any real harm? What if we got seen, would we realise that the world is controlled by governments that hide things from the majority of the people, and just carry on anyway. Although, wouldn't it be also true that we would only need to take one alien for experimentation? No, we'd need more...

You see closet., if we can change so much in a couple million years, then so might these aliens already have done. Their civilisation could be a couple million years ahead of our own.

This also asks the question then, that if they are so advanced, why would they need to experiment on us in the first place? Surely they'd just be happy to observe from a distance... surely, that would be funny enough.

closet.cult said:

it need not be 'billions of light years' away, but if INTELLIGENT life were in this solar system we should have picked up signs of them so far.

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Google "mars anonales" and "lunar anomales" and see for yourself.

closet.cult said:

breakneck speeds, with no sounds. hmmmm. look, there's no telling what they were seeing. i mean, THEY don't even know, right? but the sunny sky and nightime sky can play tricks on you. if you've ever flown in the cockpit, you'd know. it can be hard to judge distance and space. so, i wouldn't assume aliens so quickly.

i think the government can hide facts and partition information in such a way to keep the public in the dark. but aliens that are out in the open, flying around impossible aircrafts are outside of any person or group's control. evidence would eventually mount. so far, the evidence is crummy; mostly hill billies and disoriented pilots. as rational, skeptical people we must demand greater proof for peoples 'stories'.

it's just like god. if I cannot see, test or prove your story, I don't have to take it seriously.

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Dude these guys are liscenced commercial pilots that are highly educated and fly worldwide everyday. They are not hillbillies or "disoriented" <WTF?. You and your buddy skunkish still don't seem to get the fact that hundreds of people see these things monthly. the evidence has mounted, but the government can still cap the media and control what stories are let out. Hell I have even tried to view videos on Youtube posted on the UFO site, and guess what, they have been deleted due to "Terms of Service Violation"---imagine that.

No you don't have to take it seriously, but if you keep testing my beliefs, then I will continue to argue.

skunkushybrid said:

This also asks the question then, that if they are so advanced, why would they need to experiment on us in the first place? Surely they'd just be happy to observe from a distance... surely, that would be funny enough.

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Dude how many times do I have to say it----STOP APPLYING YOUR WAY OF THINKING TO THESE ALIENS. They are not human, nobody on this entire planet could even come close to being able to rationalize their actions.

Erniedytn said:

Dude these guys are liscenced commercial pilots that are highly educated and fly worldwide everyday. They are not hillbillies or "disoriented" <WTF?. You and your buddy skunkish still don't seem to get the fact that hundreds of people see these things monthly. the evidence has mounted, but the government can still cap the media and control what stories are let out. Hell I have even tried to view videos on Youtube posted on the UFO site, and guess what, they have been deleted due to "Terms of Service Violation"---imagine that.

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1. trust me, no disrespect toward professional pilots. but you must at least admit that even skilled, experienced pilots can become disoriented in many flying conditions, for a variety of reasons. this has been shown to have occurred in both military and civilian flights and it responsible for loss of aircrafts. IMO, this is the start to understanding the UFO (unidentified! flying objects) phenomenom with pilots.

2. o.k., the government obviously can't control the space crafts zooming around the skies. so, why haven't the aliens flown over a well populated city and been filmed by a credible source?

don't worry, you can't answer that. like you told skunk, don't pretend to get inside of an aliens head. just accept that you and all the others will continue to search for truths in this field and will be continue to be disappointed and frustrated when you get nowhere in your search.

that's why i don't take the alien thing seriously. here's the premise: the government is so inept and lacking in EVERY other field, but they somehow got this alien cover-up deal sown up perfectly. yeah, right! and then you suggest that privately owned companies like youtube are in cahoots with the government. maybe you're right, but i see no evidence of any government office working so efficiently.

Erniedytn said:

No you don't have to take it seriously, but if you keep testing my beliefs, then I will continue to argue.

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your beliefs. exactly. it's just like people's god beliefs. there's no real hard evidence. just circumstantial reports, hearsay, and ALOT of emotion. For people to accept your beliefs as true, you must come with more than that.

Look, no disrespect. These are just my gut feelings anytime someone tries to sell me something that cannot be proven. I just demand more evidence.

closet.cult said:

2. o.k., the government obviously can't control the space crafts zooming around the skies. so, why haven't the aliens flown over a well populated city and been filmed by a credible source?


your beliefs. exactly. it's just like people's god beliefs. there's no real hard evidence. just circumstantial reports, hearsay, and ALOT of emotion. For people to accept your beliefs as true, you must come with more than that..

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1. There have been mass sightings over two cities: one in Sao Paulo Brazil, the other in Belgium. Look it up.

2.Try to prove to me that they DON'T exist, and have never been here. I will bury you in evidence to the contrary.

Erniedytn said:

1. There have been mass sightings over two cities: one in Sao Paulo Brazil, the other in Belgium. Look it up.

2.Try to prove to me that they DON'T exist, and have never been here. I will bury you in evidence to the contrary.

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No one can, nor should they have to PROVE a NEGATIVE. that's not how proofs work. that's why evidence for aliens is crummy.

YOU'RE the one making the unbelievable POSITIVE claim that they DO exist. the burden of proof is on YOU to prove the affirmative: Aliens are here. can YOU do it? No one else has so far...

I'd love to see what kind of evidence was gathered from mass sightings in those cities. I'll look into it. can you give me any direction in my search?

Here are a few links:

Belgium

The Belgium Sightings (1989\90)

New UFO Wave Hits Belgium

Brazil

HBCC UFO Research - Ex- Airline Pilot Has An Amazing Encounter Of A UFO (Audio Clip)

Thats the only one from there I can find right now. Let me look into it further, or you can just Google "mass UFO sightings" and go from there. They are also sometimes called "UFO Flaps".

Heres an interesting video from Mexico City:

Mexico City UFO Footage

thank you!

but...typical reports, i have to say. and the brazil town is right next to a NATO base! i admit, they're mysterious, unexplained, unidentified objects.

but it's not yet proof, in the definate sense.

i'll keep looking out of curiousity, but there's probably a billion web pages on UFO's and sitings. how do you bridge that?