An Atheist Goes to Bible Study

guy incognito

guy incognito

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Naminator said:
I do not believe in Karma. There is absolutely no evidence to support that there is no god, that the world wasn't created and that we evolved out of monkeys. There is also no valid explanation for how the universe started, what space really is and why we even exist. To think, a planet orbiting a ball of fire in the middle of nowhere had the absolutely PERFECT conditions for life. This is a very fine balance. The sun is just the right size and strength, the earth is at just the right position in relation to the sun, with a small deviation meaning a planet unable to support life, a moon that orbits the planet controlling the tide, a rotation that is timed perfectly, an ecosystem that can support life and to top that all off, a race of mammals that somehow evolved to an advanced state without any other animals evolving along side them.

All science has is theories and speculation. The Theory of Evolution for example.

See? I can throw that paper thin logic right back at you but it gets us nowhere. Judging by the tone of your post, having a logical discussion about this with you is pointless. You have already lumped all the religions out there into "Superstition, Karma, Reincarnation". You obviously have a limited knowledge about the religions of the world. Try doing a little bit of research and not regurgitate what you have gleaned from others.
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I incorrectly attributed Priest's belief in karma as yours.

Anyway,

No evidence against god means he must exist by default? Or even has a reasonable chance of existing? Do I even need to explain how ridiculous that is? No I won't waste my time, especially since you think there "is absolutely no evidence to support ... that we evolved out of monkeys" and "All science has is theories and speculation. The Theory of Evolution for example."

That just shows me how monumentally ignorant you are, or you have literal retardation. If you do not believe in evolution you are either retarded, or have been completely sheltered from the mountains of evidence to support the theory.

Having a logical conversation is indeed going to be pointless.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Priest said:
Ok lets hear it, where is your mystery and wonder? Science? Is that all?

Personally I would rather live in a world filled with wonder, magic, and mystery (whether or not it is false) because that makes life interesting. Without my beliefs I would just be another person watching the days pass by limited on the entertainment, wonder, health, and protection only modern science can provide. To me thats boring :bigjoint:
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I like to believe i'm a time traveler from centuries into the future. I have no reason to believe it, but it makes me feel good about myself.
 
olylifter420

olylifter420

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And who made you the one and only person on the planet? Your level of ignorance is like no other and i will not bother wasting my time explaining it to you why i made that statement. How retarded are you? What proof do you have that validates all these theories? Mainly the big bang bullshit theory. If you believe that, then i am sorry for making this argument, as it is immoral to pick a fight with a full blown sponge...



guy incognito said:
I incorrectly attributed Priest's belief in karma as yours.

Anyway,

No evidence against god means he must exist by default? Or even has a reasonable chance of existing? Do I even need to explain how ridiculous that is? No I won't waste my time, especially since you think there "is absolutely no evidence to support ... that we evolved out of monkeys" and "All science has is theories and speculation. The Theory of Evolution for example."

That just shows me how monumentally ignorant you are, or you have literal retardation. If you do not believe in evolution you are either retarded, or have been completely sheltered from the mountains of evidence to support the theory.

Having a logical conversation is indeed going to be pointless.
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olylifter420

olylifter420

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I feel sorry for the people who hired such an evil person. you being superior to everyone, why do you need a job? Your superiority should be considered and I think they should make you the ceo or owner!


Padawanbater2 said:
Got a second job, had to put it on hold with this guy for now..
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thump easy

thump easy

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i often fight with myself about religon i wake up everyday n pray to repel the evil forces around me i pray that my few plants resist all outside elements i wake up n say THANK U GOD FOR EVERTHING PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY SINS KNOWNING N UNKNOWINGLY I LOVE U U COME FIRST N LAST U HAVE BLESSED ME WITH THE KNOLEDGE TO GROW U HAVE GIVEN ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND N TAME THIS WILD FLOWER YOU HAVE BESTOWED ON ME N U HAVE GIVEN ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS A GIFT FROM U N I THANK U, BEFORE I WAKE UP THAT IS WHAT I PRAY N I LOVE MY GOD. AMEN then i tend to my 6 plants thank u father.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Naminator said:
There is absolutely no evidence to support that there is no god, that the world wasn't created and that we evolved out of monkeys.
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-the default position is that there is no god. You are the one making the claim "God exists", so you are responsible for providing evidence to support your claim.

-there are entire branches of science that are devoted to the theory that modern man and ape share a common ancestor, whether you believe it or not

Naminator said:
There is also no valid explanation for how the universe started, what space really is and why we even exist.
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Yes there is, you just don't believe it

Naminator said:
To think, a planet orbiting a ball of fire in the middle of nowhere had the absolutely PERFECT conditions for life. This is a very fine balance. The sun is just the right size and strength, the earth is at just the right position in relation to the sun, with a small deviation meaning a planet unable to support life, a moon that orbits the planet controlling the tide, a rotation that is timed perfectly, an ecosystem that can support life and to top that all off, a race of mammals that somehow evolved to an advanced state without any other animals evolving along side them.
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You are looking at it backwards. The world was not created for us, the traits that make up and describe our physical characteristics evolved to suit our environment.

"Life finds a way" -Ian Malcolm

Naminator said:
All science has is theories and speculation. The Theory of Evolution for example.
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Completely false, and if you believed that you would abandon modern medical technology which means going to the doctor or using any modern medicines. How do you explain consistent results via scientific explanations? How do you explain predictable results via scientific explanations? You can't. It works.

I read a book a few years ago where it described how the author led a team from some college to the Canadian arctic to discover, as predicted, in exactly the right spot, the remains of one of the first animals with signs of wrist bone structures. The only way this could have happened is if all this corroboration of evidence was true.

At some point, you guys will either have to get on the bus or the rest of us will simply leave you behind.

Naminator said:
This is perpetuating the myth that organized religion is evil.
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I think the purpose of organized religion has become evil. Perhaps at some point in the distant past, when all it was, when it came down to it, was a true, genuine urning for knowledge about our origins, absent of all the myth and fairytale, the lies, deception, and broken promises that leads to so much unneccessary divisions between us...

Naminator said:
Many people have an uneventful time when they attend church or religions ceremonies. To be perfectly honest, I believe he was force fed information that didn't answer his questions satisfactorily. This caused him to doubt and despise organized religion. He looks down on anybody he expresses a faith in god because his own grasp of the topic is weak to say the least.
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Look deeper man, is that really what you see...? :roll:

olylifter420 said:
pad, so what happens when you die?
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I don't know, I haven't died yet. My guess, though, would be nothing. You stop being. You cease to exist, in the conscious sense of the word, I mean, your body is still there, for now, but your mind is gone, as it can't function without a physically capable body. This is a natural, normal part of life. I, as a human would love to exist longer, life in all it's richness is still worth living, existing is better, in this organisms opinion, than not existing. Experiencing emotions and deep connections with people and understanding how existence works and reality operates is enough to keep me going. It's a much more fulfilling existence than any beleiver can ever claim. I don't hate anyone, I would never be driven to kill another member of our species (or outside our species for that matter, unless I was hungry) on the other side of the planet who I've never met, I feel the need to help people naturally because I know people need help, it's the right thing to do, it's beneficial to our species to help one another and we've evolved the way to understand empathy to protect each other.

olylifter420 said:
What you do not see is that because of their religious beliefs, they do not want to get into an argument with you because they are taught to respect others decisions and choices.
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A debate is not an argument, learn the difference and maybe you wouldn't take so much offense. They clearly want to talk about their beliefs or they wouldn't have come to my door.

olylifter420 said:
You have belittled them to the point where you have made them feel dumb and worthless!!
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Why would someone feel "dumb and worthless" for believing something, and openly expressing it?

olylifter420 said:
Their religion is what stopped them from robbing you at gun point after all your hatred remarks and taking everything you got!!! But, no, you are better then them!
Please bro!
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Well oly, I've got some news for you, if the only reason you don't rob people at gunpoint and take everything people have is your religion, you're not a moral person, and you don't understand right and wrong for the right reasons. You're trying to sneak past understanding morality by simply "following the rules" - like a fucking RETARD I might add, because it's this reason that so many innocent people die and so many good people commit such terrible acts - and hoping you get into Heaven.

Quite the insult to your gods intelligence... You clearly think he's retarded, him being "all powerful" and not realizing you're trying to fool his system.

How you guys dont' consider this stuff is beyond me... considering the implications...
Priest said:
Ok lets hear it, where is your mystery and wonder? Science? Is that all?
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Science is the tool we use to open the future, it's applications are limitless.

Priest said:
Personally I would rather live in a world filled with wonder, magic, and mystery (whether or not it is false) because that makes life interesting.
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OK, but at what cost are you willing to pay (or rather, let others pay) for this level of comfortability you prefer to experience? Be honest.

Priest said:
Without my beliefs I would just be another person watching the days pass by limited on the entertainment, wonder, health, and protection only modern science can provide. To me thats boring :bigjoint:
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Again, you guys have got to think deeper. There is more to life than entertainment and the everyday routine. What organized religions provide you is an illusion to the real answers that elude you through science.

olylifter420 said:
I feel sorry for the people who hired such an evil person. you being superior to everyone, why do you need a job? Your superiority should be considered and I think they should make you the ceo or owner!
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Dog eat dog world oly.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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hey Oly, ill just leave these here...

[video=youtube;vss1VKN2rf8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vss1VKN2rf8[/video]

[video=youtube;SlaCq3dKvvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaCq3dKvvI[/video]

[video=youtube;f15PNrk94kg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f15PNrk94kg[/video]

just because you're too lazy to figure out the way the world works, doesn't mean we know nothing about it.

edit: where is your mountain of evidence to show god exists? us atheists would absolutely love to see that

edit x2: i thought i should add this. actually i think it was padawan that introduced me to this guy a while ago
[video=youtube;VdRCPjXn1DY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRCPjXn1DY[/video]
 
dababydroman

dababydroman

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another atheist trying to prove he's right... your just as bad as the religious ppl that try to push there beliefs on ppl.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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dababydroman said:
another atheist trying to prove he's right... your just as bad as the religious ppl that try to push there beliefs on ppl.
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Not "trying to prove I'm right" so much as stating and defending my beliefs. These guys came to my door bro, I didn't go hit up the JW church exclaiming "EVOLUTION, BIG BANG! OH LORDY LORDY YOU ALL MUST CHANGE YOUR EVIL, UNSCIENTIFIC WAYS!"..
 
sso

sso

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well, anyone claiming there is no god, is about as ridiculous as the person claiming there is a god.

no proof on either side.

better to just say, i dont know. leaves you more options open in case either statement is right.

besides. i dont see the real importance of that discussion.

god doesnt seem to affect life very much. if at all. whoever started all this shit. besides, if we can not even truly understand the creation, how could we dream to understand the creator?

might as well get busy with learning about what we see. imaginary characters (or not) can wait lol.

but thats me talking and me giving it a rest.

many discoveries begin with imagination and discussion.

but in any case, its obvious to see god never gave us any rules. men gave us the rules.

why i say that?

cause rules are enforced, god doesnt do that.

if some person happened to be more open to the universe and talked with the dude, its obvious he only gave us guidelines.

(as in, good idea to do that and not that, but you will eventually hammer your fingers enough to figure this out for yourselves)
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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sso said:
well, anyone claiming there is no god, is about as ridiculous as the person claiming there is a god.
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Personally, it isn't "there is no god" it's "I don't think the god YOU'VE described exists".

sso said:
no proof on either side.
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OK, but say I propose two theories to you, theory A has substantial amounts of evidence to support it, theory B has little to no evidence to support it. Would it be rational to say since there is no difinitive proof of either theory (keeping in mind science never claims absolute certainty, only degrees of it) they're both equally as valid?

sso said:
better to just say, i dont know. leaves you more options open in case either statement is right.
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What's "right" puts it into an unneccessary emotional context when we should ALL only be concerned with what's true, regardless of what anyone has to say about it.

sso said:
god doesnt seem to affect life very much. if at all.
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You may not know it but these beliefs define who you are as a person and affect every aspect of your life.
 
eDude

eDude

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In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

- Sam Harris
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“A person who believes that Elvis is still alive is very unlikely to get promoted to a position of great power and responsibility in our society. Neither will a person who believes that the holocaust was a hoax. But people who believe equally irrational things about God and the bible are now running our country. This is genuinely terrifying.

- Sam Harris”
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;-) Smarter people have said it better then me.
 
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