Another Republican President, Another Recession.

CannaOnerStar

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with your skill set and slight comprehension of English, you should apply for a bitcoin mining position in Kazazhkstan, Komrade
I could make more money working at macdonalds here than in usa, so yeah. You are the ones working for pennies unless you got lucky. You are the ones without free healthcare and education etc etc. People in your country poll only #18th happiest country in the world, always some low number like that, when my country is always on top.

go make america great again and stop thinking your country would still be so very good even if it once were lol
 

Wattzzup

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The Republicans seem to love dumping a recession on the American economy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/02/another-gop-president-another-recession/View attachment 4521334
President Trump did not create the coronavirus, but his failure to act swiftly and implement extensive testing and contact tracing left us with one option: extreme social distancing. And naturally, social distancing meant the economy ground to a halt. In that sense, the recession is a product of Trump’s mismanagement and willful ignorance. And that recession will be frightfully severe.

Full coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

The Post reports: “More than 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week — a record — as political and public health leaders put the economy in a deep freeze, keeping people at home and trying to slow the spread of the deadly coronavirus.” The magnitude of the job losses so far — and there will be more to come — is staggering. (“The past two weeks have erased nearly all the jobs created in the past five years, a sign of how rapid, deep and painful the economic shutdown has been on many American families who are struggling to pay rent and health insurance costs in the midst of a pandemic.”) The number of claims so far, more than 10 million, is likely understated “since a lot of newly unemployed Americans haven’t been able to fill out a claim yet.”

As businesses find they can no longer hold out, declare bankruptcy or shut their doors, more people will lose their jobs. Employees asked to take pay cuts one month will find that their employer in a month or two can no longer keep them on payroll at all.

In looking at the political implications of this horror show, one need only recall the 2008 Great Recession. The causes of that financial collapse — e.g., unregulated financial instruments, negligence from ratings companies, lender deception, the Federal Reserve’s failure to act — were complicated. Nevertheless, the politicians who resisted warnings (from then-Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, among other people) and favored a Wild West deregulated financial industry have unique culpability. And the party in charge at the time — the Republicans — bore the brunt of the voters wrath at the polls. Do we imagine this domestic debacle will play out differently?

Trump and his Republicans are vulnerable on three counts: failure to act to head off the pandemic, failure to respond adequately to the crisis and corruption in the response (in an administration already infamous for corruption and self-dealing).

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), among Trump’s most fervent enablers, picked a poor time to declare that the federal government should stop helping. The Post’s Robert Costa reports that McConnell delivered a “sweeping dismissal” of the call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for a fourth stimulus package:

In her initial written response, Pelosi said, “The victims of the coronavirus pandemic cannot wait. It is moving faster than the leader may have suspected, and even he has said that some things should wait for the next bill.”

At her weekly news conference, she was even more emphatic, both on continuing to fund the recovery and on clamping down on corruption. She urged more money for equipment for health-care responders and other “front-line workers,” funds for states to manage unemployment insurance claims and a major effort on infrastructure (including water, broadband and community health-care centers). Reacting to the unemployment claims, she asked, “Does that just not take your breath away?” As for McConnell, she said bluntly, “We’ll have our bill.”

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Perhaps most important, Pelosi will set up a House select committee to oversee the entire coronavirus effort, much like then-Sen. Harry Truman did for World War II funding, to crack down on waste, fraud and abuse.
Have you ever went back further? 6 of 7 Presidents prior to the Great Depression were republican.
 

hanimmal

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Yeah I saw where that Barack guy n Hilary were "heavily invested" in that state...so.......good clue as to why that coal operation is closing
Even Pre-Pandemic Obama's economy was stronger than Trump's in almost every category.

The Republicans are shit for our economy, great for the wealthy people, but shit for the economy, and anyone who doesn't have enough wealth to take advantage of their recessions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/#44197b656ba6
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MY OWN DANK

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Even Pre-Pandemic Obama's economy was stronger than Trump's in almost every category.

The Republicans are shit for our economy, great for the wealthy people, but shit for the economy, and anyone who doesn't have enough wealth to take advantage of their recessions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/#44197b656ba6
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With the payroll tax cut that Trumps administration put into effect shortly after he took office I got abt a 350$ raise per chk...so from my personal perspective whatever Trumps doing n hs done benefitted me well...plus the fact that when Barack was in there worked pretty much slowed to a bare minimum on the rivers that move coal...I still continued to work but alott guys didn't...I saw all that open up quickly after Trump got into office n its stayed that way currently...we have so many boats running we have trouble crewing them with quality crews...alot of our experience has to be spread thinly to ensure things run well bc we have more work n boats than we have experienced employees for...its that way industry wide...but that's just my personal perspective n my world
 

hanimmal

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With the payroll tax cut that Trumps administration put into effect shortly after he took office I got abt a 350$ raise per chk...so from my personal perspective whatever Trumps doing n hs done benefitted me well
So your house isn't worth much I am guessing if that cut wasn't offset by those write-offs he removed for the non wealthy.

plus the fact that when Barack was in there worked pretty much slowed to a bare minimum on the rivers that move coal...I still continued to work but alott guys didn't...
So even though you have been shown that the Coal industry is diminishing even faster now under Trump, you just don't believe it because you don't see it?
I saw all that open up quickly after Trump got into office n its stayed that way currently...we have so many boats running we have trouble crewing them with quality crews...alot of our experience has to be spread thinly to ensure things run well bc we have more work n boats than we have experienced employees for...its that way industry wide...but that's just my personal perspective n my world
That sounds like it has the potential to be dangerous if all those executive actions Trump did to ruin our EPA and HEPA stuff to allow industries like yours to use unqualified employees if shit hits the fan.

Interesting article on your industry.

https://www.herald-dispatch.com/opinion/jim-ross-boats-pushing-coal-fewer-as-market-declines/article_698a83f0-3991-5796-970c-7c51ec9896cc.html
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I guess my question would be have you been in this career since at least 2005 to have a really accurate memory of how the industry has changed over the years?
 

MY OWN DANK

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Exactly what you said above...I dont see it...I actually am on the river living 28days on 28off...I see the work I do the work I deliver coal on a regular basis to power plants they burn it as fast as it can be brought on a never ending cycle...n the "unqualified" employees you speak of are some entry level deckhands who do clean up and tighten the ratchets n winches or the wires laid by the mates to hold the barges together...all ppl in leadership positions are experienced...what I said was that there's so much work those ppl who are in leadership positions are spread thin...
This was the sum up of ur article n what it was saying as was I...that the conversion from coal to natural gas that Obama set in motion was not doable for some or too expensive so they folded or intend to fold...there's still many that are thrivingScreenshot_20200831-133121_Chrome.jpg
 

UncleBuck

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With the payroll tax cut that Trumps administration put into effect shortly after he took office I got abt a 350$ raise per chk...so from my personal perspective whatever Trumps doing n hs done benefitted me well...plus the fact that when Barack was in there worked pretty much slowed to a bare minimum on the rivers that move coal...I still continued to work but alott guys didn't...I saw all that open up quickly after Trump got into office n its stayed that way currently...we have so many boats running we have trouble crewing them with quality crews...alot of our experience has to be spread thinly to ensure things run well bc we have more work n boats than we have experienced employees for...its that way industry wide...but that's just my personal perspective n my world
not a word you just said was true

You are dumb
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/08/31/payroll-tax-trump-federal-employee/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_fed-taxes-410p:homepage/story-ans
The U.S. government will implement an across-the-board payroll tax deferral for about 1.3 million federal employees starting in mid-September, potentially forcing these workers to take a temporary financial boost now that they will have to repay next year.

The policy, confirmed Monday by a senior administration official, comes in response to a widely panned policy directive issued by President Trump earlier in August. Unions have sharply criticized the government’s decision, fearing federal workers may not have a choice in whether to take the deferral — resulting in them receiving smaller paychecks in 2021 until the past-due taxes are paid off.

Trump’s order specifically targets the 6.2 percent tax that employers deduct from their workers’ wages so the government can fund Social Security. His directive postpones payment of those taxes until January, at which point employers are required to start collecting back what is owed, perhaps by withholding double the amount they usually take until May. The deferral applies only to people who earn up to $4,000 on a biweekly basis, and less than $104,000 annually.

Trump in recent weeks has promised to “terminate” the tax bills Americans rack up during that time, hoping to spare workers from having to repay those debts down the road. But he can’t cut taxes unilaterally, and his pledge has earned virtually no support on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers in both parties have been reluctant to touch the funding source for the country’s cash-starved retirement programs — and are unlikely to do so before potentially millions of workers’ tax bills are due.

Trump’s push to defer payroll taxes could lead to smaller paychecks for workers in early 2021, Treasury signals

The idea has proven so problematic that few businesses have expressed any interest in carrying out Trump’s order, even as the government prepares to implement the change for federal employees starting in a few weeks. With so much uncertainty, union leaders unleashed a barrage of criticism on the White House. Everett Kelley, the national president of the American Federation of Government Employees, blasted Trump’s policy on
Monday as a “scam that leaves workers with a substantial tax bill right after the holiday season.”

“Workers will have to pay double their regular payroll tax rate during the first four months of 2021, and if they cannot do so, they will have to pay interest and penalties on amounts still owed if they’re not paid back by May 1, 2021,” Kelley said.

Rachel Semmel, a spokeswoman at the Office of Management and Budget, did not respond to questions Monday about whether the deferral would be optional.

“The president put forward this action to give relief to all Americans during this pandemic,” she said in a statement, adding that the executive branch as an employer is “implementing the deferral to give our employees relief as quickly as possible, in line with the presidential memo."

President Trump’s attempt to bypass Congress on stimulus is offering only limited economic relief

The early criticism of the government’s plans highlights the wide-ranging confusion caused by Trump’s order, signed in August in an attempt to circumvent a congressional logjam over coronavirus aid. Lawmakers, tax experts, business leaders and payroll-processing companies have raised concerns about its implementation, raising the potential that Trump’s bid to boost workers’ paychecks may result in little economic gain.

It remains unclear, for example, what might happen in the case an employee has his taxes deferred and leaves his job before his employer has a chance to collect what is owed. The implications for nonpayment are vast, threatening to widen the financial hole facing Social Security at a time when many budget experts warn that it is in significant need of reform.

The Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service issued only early guardrails describing the program on Friday, four days before Trump’s directive is set to take effect. That has left few businesses in a position to begin deferring payroll taxes in time for Sept. 1, creating further logistical and technical challenges that make it “less likely” for companies to participate at all, said Pete Isberg, the vice president of government affairs for Automatic Data Processing, known as ADP, which processes payroll for about 670,000 firms.

For workers, meanwhile, the concern is that they may lack the means to pay back what they owe. Tony Reardon, the president of the National Treasury Employees Union, said Friday that the roughly 150,000 federal employees he represents may be “unprepared for the higher tax obligation in 2021,” creating particular challenges for IRS workers for whom “overdue tax debt can have severe job consequences.”

President Trump’s attempt to bypass Congress on stimulus is offering only limited economic relief

Most federal agencies use one of four payroll processors, operated by the Defense, Agriculture and Interior departments and the General Services Administration. About 60 percent of the 2.1 million executive-branch employees earn less than $100,000 a year, just below the cutoff set by Trump’s order. Almost all federal employees pay into Social Security on the same terms as other workers; a small percentage are under a retirement system that does not include Social Security.

Almost all federal employees are paid on a biweekly pay cycle that ends on a Saturday; the current cycle started Sunday and will end Sept. 12. Most employees receive pay for that period late in the following week or early in the subsequent week. The aim is to implement the deferral starting with the second paycheck in September, the senior administration official said, setting up workers to begin seeing their taxes deferred around Sept. 18.

In doing so, Democratic Rep. Don Beyer, whose Northern Virginia district includes a large share of federal employees, faulted the White House for treating federal workers like a “guinea pig” for Trump’s policies.

“Their proposed payroll tax deferral would not really put money in workers’ pockets, it would simply set up the members of the federal workforce who can least afford it for a big tax bill that many will not expect,” he said in a statement.
 
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