Another Republican President, Another Recession.

Lucky Luke

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How possibly is “how many people accepting the shot or not” in any ways Biden’s or even gov’t’s fault?

Keep in mind that we do not compel people to vote either … not like some daft cunts I could mention.
Buck must stop at the top shouldn't it?
Ask yourself why other countries have a much higher vax rate. Is that because of a better gov and leader do you think or just blind luck?

I know you don't. Its a major downfall isn't it? Strange how in America some people's votes are worth more than others. If you had compulsory voting you wouldn't have the Republicans ever win a federal election. Perhap you could just give everybody's vote the same weight and have everyone vote. 3/4 of America's problems solved straight away. But yep..compulsory voting is so damn daft and evil...
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Buck must stop at the top shouldn't it?
Ask yourself why other countries have a much higher vax rate. Is that because of a better gov and leader … ?
The US is not far from a state of civil war. I don’t know how good a job the press are doing to send the point home that one political party has taken the entire governing process hostage.

We have a leader of good quality and qualities. He wants to get stuff done, in definite contrast to his forerunner. But the other party is able to block legislative progress, and they are willing to do so to the nation’s obvious detriment.

I would imagine that would put Predident Biden’s apparent inaction into better perspective.
 

Lucky Luke

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The US is not far from a state of civil war. I don’t know how good a job the press are doing to send the point home that one political party has taken the entire governing process hostage.

We have a leader of good quality and qualities. He wants to get stuff done, in definite contrast to his forerunner. But the other party is able to block legislative progress, and they are willing to do so to the nation’s obvious detriment.

I would imagine that would put Predident Biden’s apparent inaction into better perspective.
I think having states being able to leave the Union might solve the civil war issue. Sure not an easy thing to negotiate but might save lots of lives. Does the union need Far right states? Don't they just drain the coffers of the profitable Blue states?

Its Democrats in general. Democrats don't legislate.
Republicans get in and get stuff legislated. Country goes to the right
Democrats get in and don't legislate anything really and country doesn't go to the left- just stays stagnant or in the case of Bidens presidency goes further to the right.
Republicans get back in and legislate stuff and country goes further to the right than it was last time they were in power.
Rinse and repeat.

End result America constantly drifts to the right.
 
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hanimmal

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I think having states being able to leave the Union might solve the civil war issue. Sure not an easy thing to negotiate but might save lots of lives. Does the union need Far right states? Don't they just drain the coffers of the profitable Blue states?

Its Democrats in general. Democrats don't legislate.
Republicans get in and get stuff legislated. Country goes to the right
Democrats get in and don't legislate anything really and country doesn't go to the left- just stays stagnant or in the case of Bidens presidency goes further to the right.
Republicans get back in and legislate stuff and country goes further to the right than it was last time they were in power.
Rinse and repeat.

End result America constantly drifts to the right.
Again showing your naiveness about American politics.

The Republicans don't legislate, that is the entire trick to getting the needs met to the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda that they pander to, for them to win, nothing getting done is better for them. And they have enough money to waste in the courts suing everything that the Democrats pass to try to dismantle their work constantly.

So at the end of the day you are ass backwards when it comes to American politics, which is consistent with what your previous posts about us.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I think having states being able to leave the Union might solve the civil war issue. Sure not an easy thing to negotiate but might save lots of lives. Does the union need Far right states? Don't they just drain the coffers of the profitable Blue states?

Its Democrats in general. Democrats don't legislate.
Republicans get in and get stuff legislated. Country goes to the right
Democrats get in and don't legislate anything really and country doesn't go to the left- just stays stagnant or in the case of Bidens presidency goes further to the right.
Republicans get back in and legislate stuff and country goes further to the right than it was last time they were in power.
Rinse and repeat.

End result America constantly drifts to the right.
Secession is not an option.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Secession is not an option.
Saw this earlier.

https://www.union-bulletin.com/news/national/did-russia-provide-funding-and-support-for-booster-of-california-secession-movement/article_24ae2ea4-a44e-500a-a91c-8ab60fbf78ee.html
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. — In February 2018, as organizers of the so-called “CalExit” campaign to have California secede from the union and form its own country, a Russian national named Aleksandr Ionov sent electronic messages to a secession supporter, court documents say. Ionov offered funding for a protest that would have supporters make their way into then-Gov. Jerry Brown’s office.

Ionov and the organizer traded proposed designs for posters for the event, and eventually wrote that he sent $500 to the organizer, who on Valentine’s Day led a demonstration at the state Capitol “in support of California’s secession from the United States,” court papers say.

Afterward, Ionov corresponded in Russian with a member of the Russian Federal Security Service, or FSB, boasting that the FSB officer had asked for “turmoil” in the United States. “There you go,” Ionov wrote, court papers say.

The effort was part of a “years-long foreign malign influence campaign that used various U.S. political groups to sow discord, spread pro-Russian propaganda, and interfere in elections within the United States,” the Justice Department said in an announcement Friday during which authorities in Tampa, Fla., revealed Ionov had been indicted there on charges of targeting political groups in Florida, Georgia and California “to further Russian interests.”

Court documents identify the organizer in California only as “unidentified co-conspirator 6,” an American who had lived in Russia and California and was the founder and president of an unnamed group seeking to have California secede from the union.

That individual appears to be Louis J. Marinelli, the one-time founder of CalExit and the Yes California political action committee who subsequently gave up on his quest and now lives in Arkansas.

In a lengthy statement posted online over the weekend, Marinelli acknowledges that he first met Ionov in 2016 but says he never helped the Russian government.

Marinelli wrote that he is “not and never was an illegal agent of the Russian government tasked with sowing discord in the United States.”

“The discord in America is thriving well without Russia’s help,” he wrote. “Furthermore, I never received funding from the Russian government or Mr. Ionov to engage in political activities, spread pro-Russian propaganda, or interfere in elections within the United States.”

Instead, he wrote that he knew Ionov in Russia and used his office space in Moscow.

“In December of 2016, Mr. Ionov allowed me to use his office in Moscow to put on an exhibit of California history and civil rights and to invite the media to a presentation in this office,” Marinelli wrote. “This exhibit included topics that are taboo and even illegal in Russia.

“For example, an exhibit on Harvey Milk and the struggle for LGBT rights is not something one would expect to come across in the middle of Moscow, a city where gay pride parades are illegal and one could be arrested for disseminating ‘gay propaganda’ under a 2013 law signed by Vladimir Putin.”

He added that he later spoke to Ionov about his plans to stage an effort to have California break free from the United States.

“In January 2018, I informed Mr. Ionov in the course of our normal ongoing dialogue between friends that I was returning to California from Russia to file a new ballot initiative for a California independence referendum and to hold a rally at the State Capitol in Sacramento on Valentine’s Day that year,” Marinelli wrote. “The leadership team at Yes California specifically chose this date because divorces skyrocket around this time in the United States and we were just preparing to launch our ‘National Divorce’ theme with a broken heart graphic detailing California on one side and the other 49 states on the other.

“Mr. Ionov offered financial assistance which amounted to a few hundred dollars. However, this was a free event taking place on public property with a permit from the California State Police. Meanwhile, the organization’s president, Marcus Ruiz Evans, put together the money for the ballot initiative filing fee. In fact, the only expenses we had were getting to Sacramento and printing posters with our broken heart graphic. Mr. Evans paid for our trip to Sacramento and the posters were paid for by donations solicited through our extensive mailing list.

“Regardless of what Mr. Ionov may have believed and reported to his superiors, the money he offered was not used for political purposes but simply to supplement my modest salary as an English teacher that month in a provincial Russian city.”

Marinelli added that Ionov never had control over political efforts in California.

“This is particularly evident by the fact that, to his disappointment, we never stormed the governor’s office as he suggested we do that day in Sacramento,” Marinelli wrote. “The following year, in August of 2019, when Mr. Ionov insistently tried to give me large sums of money to hire street artists to paint 3-5 murals containing various political messages on buildings across California, I stalled until his September 3 deadline, never took the money, and the murals were never painted.

“Likewise in September that year, Mr. Ionov wanted us to organize flash mobs in California, which we also did not do.”

Marinelli wrote that he had reached out to the FBI’s tip line in the case “to provide my information should they be looking to contact me,” and that he had abandoned the independence movement for California “because it had been taken over by a cabal of leftist lunatics infected with the woke mind virus ...”

The secession effort was hindered, in part, by Marinelli’s residence in Russia, which organizers said in 2017 had led some supporters to back out because of ears of being accused of being involved in something Russia was pushing.

Yes California also posted a video on Twitter denying any ties to Russia, noting that court papers do not identify the group by name and playing video from the Valentine’s Day 2018 rally to show it was a small, peaceful event that did not gain entry to the governor’s office.
 

hanimmal

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TOKYO (AP) — The United States is working with Japan and other likeminded countries to counter China’s efforts to use its economic might to force political change around the world, the U.S. ambassador to Japan said Tuesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Rahm Emanuel, who was previously mayor of Chicago and chief of staff for President Barack Obama, is pushing what he calls “commercial diplomacy,” the idea that the United States and Japan will be more eager to do business with each other and with similar secure and stable countries amid worries caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, the war in Ukraine and Chinese economic coercion.

“From intellectual property theft to coercion to debt dependency that China creates, the idea that they could actually honestly say, ‘We don’t coerce,’ and then you have not one, not two, not three – many worldwide examples where they use their economic market access to force a political change in a country ... I think everybody’s woken up to that,” Emanuel said in the interview at his residence in the heart of downtown Tokyo.

Emanuel, who arrived in Japan in January, laid out a number of examples of Chinese coercion, including with Japan, which saw Chinese shipments of rare earth metals blocked over a territorial dispute; South Korea, which suffered Chinese business boycotts when it installed a U.S. missile defense system; Australia; and countries in Europe and Southeast Asia.

China’s growing economic importance and spending abroad have rattled those countries, which worry that Beijing is increasing its strategic and political influence in their traditional spheres of influence.

China has become one of the biggest lenders to developing countries through its “Belt and Road Initiative” to expand trade by building ports, railways and other infrastructure across Asia, Africa and the Middle East to Europe. This has prompted accusations Beijing is using debt to gain political leverage, but Chinese officials deny that.

China has been more assertive about pressing other governments to embrace Chinese-led initiatives including a trade group, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership.

Emanuel said that finding ways for Japan and the United States to stand up to Chinese economic coercion was one of the first issues he raised with Japan’s foreign minister.

Japan has expressed deep worry about increased Chinese activities in regional seas, including near a Japanese-controlled island claimed by Beijing, and has pushed for peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait.

Emanuel praised Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida’s pledge of a “significant increase” in both the country’s defense budget and its military capabilities.

Kishida’s attempts to revise Japan’s national security strategy and basic defense guidelines are a legacy of his hawkish mentor, former Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who was assassinated in July.

Kishida has also said he is open to the development of possible preemptive strike capabilities, which opponents say would go far beyond Japan’s war-renouncing constitution, which restricts the use of force to self-defense. Kishida also has proposed significantly increasing Japan’s defense budget — possibly doubling to 2% of GDP, a NATO standard — over the next five years.

“Much to the prime minister’s credit, he looked around the corner and realized what was happening in this region and the world — Japan needed to step up in ways it hadn’t in the past,” Emanuel said.

Emanuel also mentioned economic opportunities for Japan and the United States in electric vehicle batteries, energy, new research and technology in small modular nuclear reactors, aviation technology and semiconductors.

The business leaders whom he has met with as ambassador to Japan would have evaluated a capital expenditure decision in the past purely by considering cost, logistics and efficiency, he said, but they are now willing to pay more to avoid sanctions and instability.

“That is a major change in thinking,” he said.

For “the last 20 or 30 years, cost and efficiency were the driving factors. They drove public policy, and they drove corporate decisions. Today cost and efficiency are being replaced, supplanted by stability and sustainability,” Emanuel said.
 

Lucky Luke

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You still have not documented this alleged drift. You also never convincingly laid out how the Democrats are on the right.
I think the US no longer having women's rights, the attack on the availability of contraception, America's attack on the worlds free press the insurrection etc are all examples of America drifting to the right. Also the sheer lack of left leaning social things that are normal in central governments. I thought this video i prev posted elsewhere also explained it with the "ratcheting effect". It also explains how the Democrats are conservative due to electing Conservative leaders. I shall post it again along with another you should watch.
To Americans perhaps the Dems are Left but on a world scale they are conservative. Perhaps due to America never having a proper Labor movement and party.



A comment left on the second vid:
Sebastian Peady

6 months ago
As an Australian, I often think about how all but the most conservative parties support universal healthcare and gun control. By the definition of the American right, we're socialists. By our definition, it's just standard.
 
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Lucky Luke

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oh good grief; videos?
Do you have no respectable referencrs?
Videos say allot in a short time. You didn't watch videos in school for history or economics?

The quote said it all i spose.
Sebastian Peady
6 months ago
As an Australian, I often think about how all but the most conservative parties support universal healthcare and gun control. By the definition of the American right, we're socialists. By our definition, it's just standard.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Videos say allot in a short time. You didn't watch videos in school for history or economics?

The quote said it all i spose.
Sebastian Peady
6 months ago
As an Australian, I often think about how all but the most conservative parties support universal healthcare and gun control. By the definition of the American right, we're socialists. By our definition, it's just standard.
Videos are unreliable. Surely you have seen me disarticulate the qtards for their execrable reference discipline.
 

Lucky Luke

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No. Use printed and reviewed sources if you value credibility.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention after all to my charitable work with the cognitively delayed.
Shame. They are both good explanitarty videos. I really like the ratchet effect explanation and it ties in well with what Beau said in this video. All of its good but 5:00 to 6:00 min otherwise.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Shame. They are both good explanitarty videos. I really like the ratchet effect explanation and it ties in well with what Beau said in this video. All of its good but 5:00 to 6:00 min otherwise.
i like Beau, and pretty much trust him to tell me the truth...that being said, for every Beau that i trust, there are a thousand fucker carlsons, joe rogains, trash bear bannons, and fucking lunatic alex jones...
videos are only reliable when i know and trust the creator of that video, otherwise, they're just the same as any loudmouth at a bar telling you their opinion...they have no references, they have no citations, they have no way to check them out at all that doesn't require more of my time than i'm willing to commit, especially given that 90+% of them are going to be stupid horseshit
 
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