Any Ideas What’s Going On?

magellan_70 said:

Its nothing that you are doing wrong, but the metal is reacting with the chemicals and poisoning your roots.

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Not sitting on roots. Made sure of that. And rust doesn’t really hurt the plants (well I don’t think so)

But nevertheless the metal doesn’t touch the soil ever. It’s sitting on top of the edge of the cloth pot tied down with zips.

But yep definitely don’t want metal touching metal the soil if I can avoid it.

And best solution for me to lst. Works great and very easy to use...

Also never had issues in other plants I’ve used them on. This particular one in question just had issues from the beginning with high soil ph. I was able to get it down towards the 7.0 range but never really had to check pH before until I had issues with the tap water I started using.

Blitz35 said:

So now i see what that shiny or sticky looking things are..its the aloe you foliar feed with. What kind of light are you using btw?
I don't have first hand experience with running truly organic. I have used organic products as additives..like coconut water, i used fresh coconuts, and plants responded really well quite fast! Though you have to watch what you use if using bottled coconut water..organic isn't enough, it has to be raw as well! hard to find and expensive. If they don't mention 'raw', it means that it was boiled prior to bottling for preservation sake, and you lose the best parts of it. Same with kelp..it depends how it's processed.
The plants don't look that bad..i don't think you should change much other than..stop foliar feeding as you're in flower. When you do foliar..only spray the under side of the leaves, and from that sticky look, the aloe you have may have sugar in it, and by getting it on top of the leaves like that, it can 'burn' the plant, and clog the underside (lungs) of the plant. You say you had ph issues which i mentioned prior, can cause those irregular yellow streaks...namely drastic swings in ph in short time. Also, instead of watering little here and a bit more and then more..try to keep watering even...should be no more than twice a week ideally. They need a chance to dry a bit as well. Cut out whatever has the kelp, as the extra nitrogen will hold back flowering. You're soil contains it already and it has alfalfa meal which too has nitrogen, and from the pic it seems a very slight claw is showing on a couple leaves. Otherwise, i don't think the plant has serious issues. At this point, you're at mid flower for an auto for another week, and then only about 2 weeks to go.

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Thanks bro for all the feedback. I’ll drop to watering Monday and Friday to give 3/2 days beteeen waterings. I’ll stick to 1/2G to 1G depending on plant just to make sure I water the entire soil and not leave dry pockets...I recently bumped to 3 days once i noticed the pots were drying quickly.now I think I can go back to twice weekly.

I definitely don’t foliage spray during flowering...

I do have a small amount of agave in my foliage spray and always spray during water days when outside box away from lights and if inside box I’ll turn lights off for about 15mins to allow leaves to dry off almost entirely to avoid burning.

So do you think the foliage sprays can clog the “lungs” of the plant? And what are the chances of that? Never heard that said yet so just curious so I can add that to my knowledge base...maybe I’ll just stop foliage spraying entirely as another grower suggested as he doesn’t see the benefit unless needed to help solve an issue. The two other autos in growing seem to love it that’s why I ask. I don’t have much agave in there. My foliage spray is an 1/8 cup aloe Vera, 1/8 cup coco water,1/8 tsp jumpstart and 1tbsp agave per 1/2G of water. I normally make about a 1/4G of it so I can use the bottle within just over a week of once daily, if I have the time... otherwise it’s every watering.

Yeah was thinking nitrogen toxicity a little in the older dark devils. Coast of maine says to add the organic plant food which has some nitrogen in it but not sure if that’s needed if I’m using the micros like amp it and additives like jumpstart and the other additives. I’ll stop top dressing the soil. Applied last top Dress this past Friday so that will be my last time.

NOW The two new photos I’m using Dr earth organic soil. Never used before. I Have u ever grown with that soil? It’s not as good as Stonington Blend so I may have to add some organic food to that soil after a few weeks of veg growth...thoughts?

Illl take some pics of my other autos for feedback as well as the two new photos growing (one just started veg - has 2 sets of true leaves, the other still one...early veg.

Using vita coco which I think is not that bad. Expensive tho maybe not as much as others but not cheap that’s for sure...it actually works very well keeping my plant nodes tighter especially in early veg. For example the newest critical plus is starting to stretch a bit so I just fed the soil with about an 1/8 a cup straight into soil with about an 1/8 of water. Just around the plant. Now that normally has stopped the plant from stretching as much between nodes.

Off topic: How long do you keep nutes mixed? For ie, I overnixed and have about 1.5 gallons extra. Do you just toss or save for next watering? I say dump and remake but not sure what others think...

Btw: using 600W LED, 6” vortex and a very nicely built 4x4x6.5 box environment with a warm air humidifier and two os fans (one blowing against the wall and the other oscillating over the canopies.. have 1 fresh (from outside) air intake and 2 air intakes (from basement). Would have liked box height higher but my basement ceiling is only 7ft high.

RayRay747 said:

Thanks bro for all the feedback. I’ll drop to watering Monday and Friday to give 3/2 days beteeen waterings. I’ll stick to 1/2G to 1G depending on plant just to make sure I water the entire soil and not leave dry pockets...I recently bumped to 3 days once i noticed the pots were drying quickly.now I think I can go back to twice weekly.

I definitely don’t foliage spray during flowering...

I do have a small amount of agave in my foliage spray and always spray during water days when outside box away from lights and if inside box I’ll turn lights off for about 15mins to allow leaves to dry off almost entirely to avoid burning.

So do you think the foliage sprays can clog the “lungs” of the plant? And what are the chances of that? Never heard that said yet so just curious so I can add that to my knowledge base...maybe I’ll just stop foliage spraying entirely as another grower suggested as he doesn’t see the benefit unless needed to help solve an issue.

Yeah was thinking nitrogen toxicity a little in the older dark devils. Coast of maine says to add the organic plant food which has some nitrogen in it but not sure if that’s needed if I’m using the micros like amp it and additives like jumpstart and the other additives. I’ll stop top dressing the soil. Applied last top Dress this past Friday so that will be my last time.

NOW The two new photos I’m using Dr earth organic soil. Never used before. I Have u ever grown with that soil? It’s not as good as Stonington Blend so I may have to add some organic food to that soil after a few weeks of veg growth...thoughts?

Illl take some pics of my other autos for feedback as well as the two new photos growing (one just started veg - has 2 sets of true leaves, the other still one...early veg.

Using vita coco which I think is not that bad. Expensive tho maybe not as much as others but not cheap that’s for sure...it actually works very well keeping my plant nodes tighter especially in early veg. For example the newest critical plus is starting to stretch a bit so I just fed the soil with about an 1/8 a cup straight into soil with about an 1/8 of water. Just around the plant. Now that normally has stopped the plant from stretching as much between nodes.

Off topic: How long do you keep nutes mixed? For ie, I overnixed and have about 1.5 gallons extra. Do you just toss or save for next watering? I say dump and remake but not sure what others think...

Btw: using 600W LED, 6” vortex and a very nicely built 4x4x6.5 box environment with a warm air humidifier and two os fans (one blowing against the wall and the other oscillating over the canopies.. have 1 fresh (from outside) air intake and 2 air intakes (from basement). Would have liked box height higher but my basement ceiling is only 7ft high.

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You seem to be on the right track, nice setup. Water generously when you do, i think you mentioned you had 2 plants in one pot? If they are not the same strain, it can get tricky!
As for foliar feeding, i dont think you need to cut it all out, spraying with a kelp or fulvic acid solution is fine during veg, same with watering with coconut water, though again, im not completely sure what gets damaged as vita coco is still flash pasteurized when bottling. I'd cut out the coconut water once into full flower..the best thing it provides is the natural plant hormone cytokinin, however, once heavy into flower, cytokinin will delay ripening. Also, its very high in potassium, so watch how you dilute it and make sure you keep other nutrients in proper ratio at the same time. Kelp also helps in keeping short internodal spacing.
As for the clogging...again..all foliar feeding is to be done only on the underside as that's where the leaves take it in to their cells, the top is for photosynthesis. Spraying with something sugar based, will naturally get stuck to the leaf and not dry off or go away so to speak. Spill anything with sugar, it will stick to it and keep it covered. The plants won't be able to breathe on the underside if they are all covered in dry stickiness. So ideally you shouldn't foliar feed with anything sugar based unless somehow it specifically states that you can. In the end, the plant doesn't need the sugar, it produces sugar..the sweet stuff is for your soldiers doing the work in the soil
I have rarely pre mixed nutes for the next watering or over done it to an extent. I know how much water they get when they get, it doesn't vary much. Then again i do it as a hobby and it's for personal and friends use, so im not sure how it would be to grow many plants at once..i do max 4. For an organic mix, im quite sure you would need to keep it aerated, with a bubbler inside to make sure it doesn't go bad, but don't quote me on that, im not completely sure. I haven't gone down the true organic grow route yet. i can tell you though that mycorrhizae works wonders!

Blitz35 said:

You seem to be on the right track, nice setup. Water generously when you do, i think you mentioned you had 2 plants in one pot? If they are not the same strain, it can get tricky!

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Two Dark Devils in one pot so should be ok. It’s actually the plant in question that is flowering now. Broke soil December 6. Named it Stuntie...



Plan on stopping the aloe Vera juice and coco water at flower flip.

The agave, coco water and aloe Vera juice are pretty watered down but I definitely think I could either reduce the ingredients or reduce the amounts...

Yeah I forgot that I dropped two plants lol so I went with the 5G bottle for mixing vs the 3G. I’m just going to dump the excess and start using the 3g bottle every feeding.

The dark devils in flower get 1G each watering now. The sour and dark devil in veg will each get 1/2G on Monday and 1G on Friday (all plant dependent).

The photos I have going, I water as needed but will start the above water regimen the 3rd week of veg or so.

Sour Diesel Auto in Veg (fimmed @ 4th node):





Dark Devil Auto in Veg (fimmed @ 4th node):





Going to be LSTing the vegging autos tonight to open them up again. Will be my 3rd round of LST on the sour and dark devil. Will stop LSTing when buds start showing and remove each round of ties 2-3 days after applying ties.

My LST schedule is as follows: Monday, then removing those ties Wednesday then tying higher up stem on Thursday, removing those ties Saturday.

The dark devil in veg already showing pistols. Sour diesel in veg hasn’t shown pistols yet.

My two photos going:





I try to be as open and detailed to help other newbs and/or others who lack the gardening thumbs..

You have a weird mangled leaf on the stunty, center of pic and to the left of center. I see it should take roughly 70-75 days for harvest, so the yellowing appears to be early on stunty..btw other plants look very nice! I see alot of leaves with yellow veins but green between them, which usually happens backwards with most issues, but sulfur deficiency would, i believe, be the only deficiency that starts with yellow veins and remains green between them, and add to it that those are the leaves i see with slightly burnt and/or hooking downward tips, which both signify a sulfur deficiency. You have other leaves with brown spots..which is caused by either a lack of calcium or manganese. My guess would be calcium as manganese would likely cause interveinial yellowing as well, and i dont see that on any leaves. Do you have lower leaves that are curling? It's hard to say how to remedy it, as again, i have no experience running truly organic, so i wouldn't know what would be best to give and how fast she would reply. Running organics, im guessing you don't ph as there shouldn't 'really' be a need to?

Does she have the smell she is supposed to, or is it weaker?

Blitz35 said:

Does she have the smell she is supposed to, or is it weaker?

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The dark devils - Stuntie? If that what u refer to yep she smells fantastic. Especially when I lightly squeezed one of the buds.

Blitz35 said:

You have a weird mangled leaf on the stunty, center of pic and to the left of center. I see it should take roughly 70-75 days for harvest, so the yellowing appears to be early on stunty

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Yeah for some reason that plant puts out funny looking leaves like that. Happened on these two and there is one also on the younger dark devil..:not sure tho. I actually started flushing it today. Ran 2.5 gallons thru it and will run another 2.5-3 next Monday then harvest end of week. Kind of done with these ones lol and I’m kinda running out of room with the way the auto sour is growing. It makes me wonder if it’s stuck in veg because it’s getting big imo. And I need to make room for the photos growing now. Those two alone will engulf my grow box within a month.

Blitz35 said:

btw other plants look very nice! I see alot of leaves with yellow veins but green between them, which usually happens backwards with most issues, but sulfur deficiency would, i believe, be the only deficiency that starts with yellow veins and remains green between them, and add to it that those are the leaves i see with slightly burnt and/or hooking downward tips, which both signify a sulfur deficiency. You have other leaves with brown spots..which is caused by either a lack of calcium or manganese. My guess would be calcium as manganese would likely cause interveinial yellowing as well, and i dont see that on any leaves.

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Thx on the plants...really trying to get it Right...

Sour Diesel Auto (getting bigger than I expected, hoping she flowers soon...lol) I seriously might fim this plant again (at the point of that close up pic):



Dark Devil Auto:




No curling tips as far as I can tell on bottom leaves. They look decent imo.

I only test pH going in and adjust accordingly. Try to be around 6.25-6.50 max. Don’t really CHeck runoff pH unless I notice plant issues.

Looking good dude! Definitely fine growth you have going on..keep it up! You'll only get better Just watch not to leave leaves wet..a couple have that shiny/sticky look on top..but good job!

Blitz35 said:

Looking good dude! Definitely fine growth you have going on..keep it up! You'll only get better Just watch not to leave leaves wet..a couple have that shiny/sticky look on top..but good job!

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Thx bro...

LST....Has definitely been my friend. I’ve learned some really nice tricks to open up the plants nicely and get multiple bud sites. Also have gotten good at fimming so I get 3-4 tops from each cut I make (only done on main stem tho at 4th node with an auto, with a photo I’d do the fim at 7-8th node on main stem and also fim the 4 bottom branches tops, at their highest nodes). I plan on doing that on my two photo critical + I’m growing now.

Yep I normally Matte the water off. Or wick it off. I try not to get any on the leaves while watering and I pretty much avoid it using the bottles I’m using to water. But yep learned my lesson the hard way by waking up to holes in my leaves on one of my previous plants. Those pics I took were out of grow box under regular 60w bulb so the light was hitting the leaves just yet.

Believe it or not I’ve pulled up 4 plants so far within the past month and a half period lol. Wasn’t going to settle for mediocre shit... lmao. So now I get this sour diesel that’s growing out of control with another month left based on seed specs. And the dark Devil will catch up or be close. I’m just worried about the autos taking up too much space and the photos not having enough. Only plan to veg the criticals up to about 1 to 1.25 feet, maybe 1.5. I’m just worried about flowering stretch being more than 2 times because I only have just under 4 feet (from top of soil to bottom of lights) if I pull lights all the way to as far as they can go.

Believe me I’m stoked at the growth but also worried lol. Let’s see what happens. I don’t want to stop doing what I’m doing to the plants but I’ll probably stop foliage now since the dark devil is already flowering and the diesel should be right behind it. Will only foliage spray the critical .

Other than that I think the one most important thing I’ve learned is to just leave the girls be and check on them occasionally versus every hour like most new growers would do. I’ve seen tremendous growth and happiness from the plants when I just leave the door closed and let them be especially after they get a good watering because there is nothing else I need to give them as long as all my equipment is working. The only thing I have to refill is the warm air humidifier and close the door back up until the next day or later that night to refill it...however I have it off now because the humidity has been creeping way too high and I’d like to keep it around the 50 max range right now....

Great chat....

You got it going on! I hear you about the height issues..it happened to me 2 grows ago..a pineapple chunk that is supposedly indica based..i seem to have gotten the one phenotype that is kind of sativa based and it stretched like no tomorrow..thickest stem i ever had..but not the highest producer lol. I had to redo my setup and raise everything by a foot because of her lol. I was that way too with my first plants..staring over them constantly...they didnt do well...then you learn to leave them alone..they're like cats..only want you when it's feeding time lol...get too close and eventually they scratch

Blitz35 said:

You got it going on! I hear you about the height issues..it happened to me 2 grows ago..a pineapple chunk that is supposedly indica based..i seem to have gotten the one phenotype that is kind of sativa based and it stretched like no tomorrow..thickest stem i ever had..but not the highest producer lol. I had to redo my setup and raise everything by a foot because of her lol. I was that way too with my first plants..staring over them constantly...they didnt do well...then you learn to leave them alone..they're like cats..only want you when it's feeding time lol...get too close and eventually they scratch

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Yes my ceiling maxes out at around 6.25-6.5. My basement ceiling is 7 and I have my exhaust vent strategically cut and placed so that my ducting flange comes out and the insulated ducting runs in between the rafters. I basically used every inch of the space leveling a 4” gap beteeen box and rafters.

This girl better produce for getting this wild on me. Lol

Blitz35 said:

You got it going on! I hear you about the height issues..it happened to me 2 grows ago..a pineapple chunk that is supposedly indica based..i seem to have gotten the one phenotype that is kind of sativa based and it stretched like no tomorrow..thickest stem i ever had..but not the highest producer lol. I had to redo my setup and raise everything by a foot because of her lol. I was that way too with my first plants..staring over them constantly...they didnt do well...then you learn to leave them alone..they're like cats..only want you when it's feeding time lol...get too close and eventually they scratch

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More pics:

I did a topping/fimming technique - fimmed 5 tops lol and a 6th on the side for kicks. The sour auto plant is getting too big right now and I need to stop it from growing so big especially with flower stretch and the photos I got growing.

Did my first round of lst on the older critical. The one week younger plant is coming along fine however a little stretchy but after my coconut water dose it slowed down and is now growing 2nd set of true leaves.

Some pics:

Sour Diesel:

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Dark devil:

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Critical Older:

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Critical Youngster:

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Hopefully i'll see the pics tomorrow..not sure what happened..pics are not visible and the links say i have no permission to view them..haven't seen that message here before lol.

Blitz35 said:

Hopefully i'll see the pics tomorrow..not sure what happened..pics are not visible and the links say i have no permission to view them..haven't seen that message here before lol.

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Yea not sure but could be the way I added the images...I’m sure it’s how I did it.

Nevertheless here is link to my grow journal for the critical +: https://www.rollitup.org/Journal/rayray747.978464/

Here are the sour diesel screen shots (lol) I don’t save my pics for security concerns...:





Hoping my 6 fim in one swoop produces great colas and slows growth a bit.

Here are the dark Devil pics:

Sour Diesel Before 4th round of LST:





Sour Diesel After 4th round of LST (done today):






Sour Diesel Fimmed 6 tops. Main top, 4 lower tops and 1 top on the side for shits and giggles...





Got her all wide open now... wink wink...lol.

Dark Devil before 4th round of LST:

The reason (aka Stunties) for this thread...On Friday will be giving these plants 1-2 gallons of ice cold water and then harvesting them on Monday:

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Any ideas what’s wrong with this...thinking it’s light burn or wind burn (spots) and light stress (curling edges)...



Got at least 4 tops coming in from fim job on main stem. Looks the same on the other fim jobs I did... the tips have a little light burn because the plant grew faster than I thought it would....Ive moved lights up to 20” vs 16” at the point were the burn is.