Any MMj Users With Lung Conditions?

Just wondering if there are any medical patients with lung conditions. I myself have multiple conditions and am having a hard time finding a clean way to smoke. I do own a vaporizer but it is still not 100% user friendly for a guy like me. I find I still cough and weez and end up gasping for air after sessions with the vaporizer and I never burn the material. I run my vap around 350 - 370 F (180-190 C) with the whip and around 320 to 340 F (160 to 170 F) when using the bag with forced air.

Now I have smoked near pure THC extract (BHO) and I find it to be quite clean, especially when used in combination with a vape, but I just have a hard time getting my hands on it and I don't grow anymore to have the shake to make it.

I am kust looking for some feedback or some advice and would love to hear from other users with lung conditions. The lab results for vaporizers are so limited it is ridiculous. I would like to hear your thoughts.

I have some lung conditions after having a lung collapse at random, I have not lost that much of my ability to smoke.

I do recommend medicating via edibles, pills, etc and making your own - if you ever need help thinking of recipes, feel free to send me a PM and we'll share ideas...

GrowTech said:

I have some lung conditions after having a lung collapse at random, I have not lost that much of my ability to smoke.

I do recommend medicating via edibles, pills, etc and making your own - if you ever need help thinking of recipes, feel free to send me a PM and we'll share ideas...

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Thank you for your response GrowTech, I also had my lung collapse on me, x-rays were done and no bone splinters or fragments were found astray so I had a CT-scan done and found I have emphysema and some other lung "abnormality". Since it happened I have not been breathing the same and am in need of some healthier options.

Do you find edibles to be efficient? It seems like it would be quite pricy if you are more than just a weekender, if you know what I am saying.

Also, do you have problems breating on a day-to-day basis? I was a heavy smoker and toker for the better part of a decade, I quit smoking when my lung collapsed (months ago) and never started back up. I even quit smoking marijuana and went out and bought a good north American made vaporizer and have been using it since.

I have heard about these pills. Being called Canna-Gels I think. They are a "standard" dose of "budder" (which is said to be regular oil whipped at a low speed and heat???) in a capsule with some grapeseed oil for proper digestion. Anyone tried these?

Making edibles seems so costly and inefficient to me, but I would still like to hear your thought GT, and anyone else for that matter

no lung conditions, and don't want to acquire any
so i do use a vaporizer, just a DIY one i built from the DIY subforum here
it's the halogen bulb one, i find it really good
don't have a thermometer, but seems to provide a very gentle experience
to me, it doesn't feel like i've smoked at all

growone said:

no lung conditions, and don't want to acquire any
so i do use a vaporizer, just a DIY one i built from the DIY subforum here
it's the halogen bulb one, i find it really good
don't have a thermometer, but seems to provide a very gentle experience
to me, it doesn't feel like i've smoked at all

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Maybe I am running my vap too hot. Everyone I know who has a vap run it a lot hotter than me, some even run it at the highest temp their vape will go.

I've been having a hard time finding a precise value for which THC vaporizes, it doesn't seem like many stoners have scientific labs at their disposle. Its bullshit because our government has aproved it for medical use and doctors will reccomend it yet we know nothing about it.

GODDAMN THEIR NEEDS TO BE MORE LAB TESTING FOR MED PATIENTS!




Thanks for the response growone; oe question for you.
What do you see when you exhale off a hit from your DIY vape?

i do see a 'steam', i do about 4-5 hits off one bowl - it did takes some time to find the 'zone'

you could get perscibed marinol pills(thc pills)

making edibles, pills, etc is not an expensive option... you can purchase bags of trim and make your own, grow plants and use their trim, and buds to make oil and butter.

limitless options really... if you look on google for cannabrex pill kits or cannabutter recipes you will find lots of different things you can make.

you can also purchase butter at some clubs.

tactownryder said:

you could get perscibed marinol pills(thc pills)

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From what I understand (I am no scientist) Marinol is synthetic... No thanks...lol

GrowTech said:

making edibles, pills, etc is not an expensive option... you can purchase bags of trim and make your own, grow plants and use their trim, and buds to make oil and butter.

limitless options really... if you look on google for cannabrex pill kits or cannabutter recipes you will find lots of different things you can make.

you can also purchase butter at some clubs.

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I guess what I am wondering with the edibles is how much, let's say, mid-grade would it take to get a decent buzz for a couple hours? Do you "extract" it in oil or fat? I have only ever done it once and I used 1/4 ounce per person so I have always had the memory of it being an expensive night

Has anyone had experience with pills? not synthetic but extracted.

i have experimented a bit with tincture, and mulling over the thc pills
tincture supposedly can be used under the tongue, some claim to get good effects from it
i did try it and was disappointed, was ok, but not a lot of bang for the buck
may have been my fault, didn't decarboxylate properly i think
but the pills look quite interesting, recipe is on the cooking forum somewhere
trick is made with coconut oil, supposedly helps quite a bit with absorption
next harvest is my plan, went through a gram on the tincture with mediocre results

It seems to me that you are vaping at an awfully high temp. I generally vape at around 250, THC vaporizes at 180 degrees. At the temp you are vaping, you are burning some of the plant matter.

Marinol won't be a good option as it cost about $9 a pill and contains only synthetic THC, so it doesn't really produce the same effects.

In your situation, I would tend to agree that edibles are the way to go. You're right, they are not as efficient, and it will cost more and require more bud to produce similar effects. However, the high from edibles lasts so much longer, and is a much cleaner, healthier way to get stoned. In addition, its your lungs man, is it really worth saving a few bucks if it is hurting your lungs?

You could try to make firecrackers, they are a fairly cost effective way to ingest depending on your tolerance. Also, the procedure is nearly fool proof (I say nearly because some people are just absolutely inept). Grind up 0.5g to 1g of bud and mix it in 2 TBS of natural peanut butter (like adams) spread on crackers or toast, then wrap in foil and place it on a cookie sheet in your oven at about 300 degrees for around 25-30 mins, remove and enjoy. I actually do this fairly often, and I enjoy the buzz, not the same as smoking, but a hell of a lot better for you.

Alternatively, you could always purchase a fair amount of bud and mix in 0.5g to 2TBS of PB in a jar of natural PB and let it sit for a few days stirring occasionally. The fat from the PB will absorb the THC, then you can use it to make sandwiches, or just eat a spoonful.

There are a lot of options when it comes to ingesting, and when it comes to lung health, ingesting is the only option really. If you have medical MJ, you really ought to have a small grow since this will save you a lot of money. If not, save up a few bucks and look for some good deals on bud so that you can make large batches of different types of edibles. Tincture, cannabutter, and peanut butter are great ways to go, and you could try all three.

Just my two cents. I too find that smoking irritates my lungs too much and I have been doing it less and less.

growone said:

i have experimented a bit with tincture, and mulling over the thc pills
tincture supposedly can be used under the tongue, some claim to get good effects from it
i did try it and was disappointed, was ok, but not a lot of bang for the buck
may have been my fault, didn't decarboxylate properly i think
but the pills look quite interesting, recipe is on the cooking forum somewhere
trick is made with coconut oil, supposedly helps quite a bit with absorption
next harvest is my plan, went through a gram on the tincture with mediocre results

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I have heard of a commercial tincture similar to what it sounds like you are talking about that is ?sprayed (i think) under the tongue. Sativex is what it is called I think. It makes sense, soft skin with lots of big veins really close to the surface, but I can only imagine the large size of the THC molecule trying to effectively pass through the tissue.. I mean, it is soft tissue, but has no where near the absorbency as lung tissue.

I want THC in my inhaler damnit! Why haven't someone tried this?
lol, any thoughts?

TheGanjaGuru said:

It seems to me that you are vaping at an awfully high temp. I generally vape at around 250, THC vaporizes at 180 degrees. At the temp you are vaping, you are burning some of the plant matter.

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I am assuming you are talking in Fahrenheit? That seems awfully low... Would you be able to cite where you found that THC vaporizes at 180 F? I have never found a definite answer to what temp THC vaporizes at (at normal atmospheric pressure of course) and I would like to know where you obtained that information. It would be great to find out I am vaping too high and burning material because I find I still choke and get winded taking a big hit on my vape. My material does not burn, but you can definitely see the difference in color after vaping which leads me to believe some chlorophyll, or something, is being vaporized as well. To the best of my knowledge THC crystals are not what makes MJ green, it's chlorophyll.. correct me if I am wrong...

Do your buds come out of your vape as green as they went in out of curiosity?

TheGanjaGuru said:

Marinol won't be a good option as it cost about $9 a pill and contains only synthetic THC, so it doesn't really produce the same effects.

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I agree, too costly and not the same effects. I have never personally tried Marinol but I know patients who have and they all are quite ready to express their dissatisfaction with the "medication". Doctors need to understand that there is a science applied when "burning" a material and the chemical structure can change upon oxidation. What would be nice is if we could synthesize a PURE THC molecule that could be smoked, or otherwise vaporized eliminating time consumed for maturing of a plant.

TheGanjaGuru said:

You could try to make firecrackers, they are a fairly cost effective way to ingest depending on your tolerance. Also, the procedure is nearly fool proof (I say nearly because some people are just absolutely inept). Grind up 0.5g to 1g of bud and mix it in 2 TBS of natural peanut butter (like adams) spread on crackers or toast, then wrap in foil and place it on a cookie sheet in your oven at about 300 degrees for around 25-30 mins, remove and enjoy. I actually do this fairly often, and I enjoy the buzz, not the same as smoking, but a hell of a lot better for you...

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Yea, I think I am going to have to give the oral thing a try again. Assess the medicinal "pro's" of eating. Its been a long time since I made brownies and the only think I remember was it was an expensive night(1/4 O + smoke), and I was smoking because I couldn't wait for the edibles to kick in so I think I ruined the true effect.

I can see the longevity of the high being nice. There is nothing worse than trying to sneak a toke somewhere you shouldn't because you have already lost it.

there are charts around on the vapor point of thc, cbd, cbn and they are all above 180 farenheit
if memory serves, thc vaporizes 1st around 230 or so, the others a bit higher
all will vape before 300f, this is why vaporizers are known for the head effect, tend to vape the thc more easily
i'm very pleased with the DIY halogen vaporizer detailed over in the DIY forum
barely a hint of throat irritation, does take practice to get the zone
i plug and unplug it as i vape, kind of worked out where the sweet point of the temp is

try edibles or tinctures. i was always afraid to try cooking with pot as being afraid of wasting the herb. you can buy ghee in grocery stores(ghee is clarified butter) or you can use whole butter. I heat the herb in just water just shy of boiling. drain and refill container with fresh water and butter or ghee. the thc will bond to the fats in the butter. let cool completely in the fridge. when the butter is hard remove from water. now you have cooking butter. remember that it takes longer to start feeling the effects when you eat herb. so wait for it to kick in.
Hope this helps all