Any one use water crystals out door?

SCARHOLE

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Any one used MG water control soil with water crystals?:-P

I am goin to this year after reading this about the scotts version...............

"Plants last two weeks with no water and the bigger ones last one week atleast. Without water crystals I would have to water every other day."


Watering once a week insead of everyother day would be very nice.
Does it work that well?
Is this realistic where its 100F about 2 monthes?
How often did u water in mid summer with this stuff?:leaf:

Id appreciate any imput..
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sodalite

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contains crosslinked polyacryamide as main ingredient. its not organic and may not be healthy for you. but they work.
 

BorgClone

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contains crosslinked polyacryamide as main ingredient. its not organic and may not be healthy for you. but they work.
there are several polyacryamide available and its disputed some might give your shit a different taste, from what i have researched this is related so the rate they decompose some decompose in about 7 months and so right on time for the extra potassium and amonia particles to interfere in flower taste, however other better versions of polyacrymide are not going to do this because they last MORE, 5 years and so at least 4 seasons with no taste interference since its proven to be safe... in fact plants cant use nothing cause its not really organic... i have trouble with huge heat in the summer and dry weather so i will be thinking about this also, any reputable distributor for EU country's??
 

mr.smileyface

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coco peat!!!!! Polymer crystals are good. I dont see how that would mess up taste.
I just take bales of promix and digg a hole and pop that bag in the ground. poke a few holes on the bottom for drainage. Feed with granular ferts from start.
if your just digging holes and back fill with the same soil.. Add stuff to it. Like peat or coco. Put some bone meal on the bottom and mix it all with dolomite and crystals. Coco is the best for outdoor. Holds alot of water, yet still breathes well. Peat holds alot of water and nutes aswell.
Make sure you digg and amend.
 

BorgClone

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Polymer crystals are good. I dont see how that would mess up taste.
No not te crystals but they dont last forever, if using crystals with a short period of life, the elements in wich the crystal decomposes, amonia, potassium and othr shit, THAT SHIT yes can be absorbed by the plant, Hence, might change the flower taste, but, like i said several polymers are available so if you look for the right info you can do well and save some watering trips i will be looking forward to this year so i can test this outside...
 

SCARHOLE

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"Use P4 water crystals in the soil to give the plants a few days worth of emergency water reserves. This substance swells up with water and holds it like a sponge, so that roots will have a reserve if harsh drought makes constant watering necessary. Go real easy on this stuff though, it tends to sink to the bottom of the pot and suffocate bottom roots (new growth roots) and stunts the plant. Use in extreme moderation, let it swell up for at least an hour before mixing with other soil. "

"Cover the soil around the plant with a thick layer of natural mulch to attract condensed water and to keep soil moisture from evaporating. Just these simple measures may double the yield. *polymer crystals are small crystals that expand to about 15 times their size when moistened by water. They are added to soil to prolong time between watering."

"But if we're looking at the overall "greenness" of a product, these crystals are not a good choice. First of all, in case studies done by Fine Gardening magazine, neither of the types of crystals tested (starch-based and polyacrylamide-based) seemed to save any water at all&#8212;the containers in which the crystals had been added to the soil had to be watered just as often as a container without the crystals. On a broader level, these products require manufacturing, packaging, shipping&#8212;all of which significantly raise their overall carbon footprint."

. Mix in some perlite and water-absorbing crystals for a lighter mix that will still hold more moisture for dry times during the coming summer. Roots will thrive early on making for stronger plants that are able to handle the weight of massive buds

"It is a myth (perhaps propagated on the Internet) that the crystals are harmful to plants or take water away from them, replacing the water with harmful chemicals. Instead they capture excess water and store it for plants.
When hydrated, each dry granule turns into a gel, containing the water it absorbs. By squeezing a hydrated crystal, the polymer won't leak moisture. Instead, it will break into smaller crystals or particles that dehydrate to smaller granules."

"After a couple of weeks or so the gels should be activated. It may still be difficult to determine whether it is okay to reduce the frequency of watering, because the surface soil may be dry to the touch even though the gel crystals deep within still contain plenty of water. Unfortunately, water meters sold for houseplants do not work with soil that contains Polymer Gels.

A good guideline is to water Polymer Gel treated soil about one third to one half as often as you watered the untreated soil. For example, if you previously watered your container twice a week, water it now once a week. In the beginning you may err on the side of watering a bit too much. If the soil mix drains well, as it should, the plants will suffer no ill effects. If the soil drains well, it is virtually impossible to over water a plant sitting in a soil with Polymer Gels in it. At the same time, the dry crystals will not recharge and absorb water if water is not readily available. Outdoors a steady rain of more than 1 inch will do the job nicely. "
 

sodalite

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scarehole got shit correct. they do work i have used them myself. my mother uses them in container gardening for annuals with good effect. the polymers i used were supposed to last 3-4 years i cannot comment on that as i didnt ttry to recycle them. i did not notice any changs in taste but friends growing the same cuts as i had that summer said they did? i wonder if i didnt tell them about the crystals if they would have noticed? but the same two clones grown by differant people are going to turn out differant becouse of your methods anyhow. nowdays i consider myself an organic grower so i do not use them. i also wonder what effect they have on the microbiological activity in your soil whether they effect organizms in the soil or not? good luck whatever you guys use.
 

SCARHOLE

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Heres some more info i found off the net................

http://terawet.com/pdf/Ag Tech Use Guide T-400.pdf This stuff looks good


Dickerson says that the biggest effect on water savings probably comes from the plastic mulch. "The woven fibers of the mulch allow water and air to penetrate the soil.
Water-Holding Gel and Plastic Mulch Conserve Soil Moisture

Nov 23, 2000 - © Rena Larranaga

Water is a precious resource for America's farmers. Laser leveling fields and using drip irrigation help conserve water, but new techniques are needed to actually store water in the soil during periods of drought.


"Moisture is lost to evaporation, runoff or percolation down through the soil profile," said George Dickerson, horticulture specialist with New Mexico State University's Cooperative Extension Service. Mulches and synthetic, water-absorbing polymer crystals can be used to store water around plant roots.

"The polymer crystals look like rock salt when they're dry," Dickerson said. "When exposed to water, the crystals swell to the size of marbles with a consistency of clear gelatin."

Research has shown that the crystals can absorb as much as 400 times their weight in water. When mixed in the soil, the polymers act as a reservoir, returning up to 95 percent of stored water to growing plants.

Dickerson and several county Extension agents have been working with farmers to evaluate the effectiveness of producing vegetable crops under semi-dryland conditions. Results have been impressive with polymer crystals and woven plastic mulch to control weeds.

"In most cases, we've only irrigated once or twice early in the season to get the transplants started," Dickerson said. "Thereafter, most of the plots received only natural precipitation."

Most sites produced excellent crops of chile and tomatoes. Dickerson estimates water savings was 63-93 percent over untreated plots.

"Test plots with water-holding crystals and polypropylene mulch produced more than eight times as many bell peppers as untreated plots on the Ricky Parker Farm," he said. "Most of the plants in the untreated plots died from drought."

Dickerson says that the biggest effect on water savings probably comes from the plastic mulch. "The woven fibers of the mulch allow water and air to penetrate the soil. The tight weave, however, excludes sunlight, controlling weed growth and evaporation."
An ultraviolet light inhibitor in the mulch helps extend its useful life, so it can be used several years before replacing. The mulch also helps warm the soil early in the season to promote growth, Dickerson said.


Read more at Suite101: Water-Holding Gel and Plastic Mulch Conserve Soil Moisture http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/american_agriculture/53023#ixzz0hzMrv3SZ




What the hell is this plastic mulch an were can i get some??
 

SCARHOLE

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The terawet stuff said to soak the polymers in your liquid fertilizer not water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Could this stuff mean you dont have to fertilize or water for the season? OMFG! Could this be the holly grail? Just plant em a forget em?? I might have to experiment with using fertilizer in the cyrstals with plastic mesh mulch (black) on a plant or 2 this season.


Oh the plastic mulch is just like plasitc sceen materiel to keep weeds out of the garden an hold moistrue in. I thought it was something new. But i will definatly try some of it this season if it holds water in more than the polymer crystals do in the uiversity of New mexico tests........................
 

SCARHOLE

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Is the Miracle-Gro Moisture Control Potting Mix safe to use for planting edible plants?


This product is safe for use around edible plants. Wash edibles before consuming them.



What are the ingredients in the Miracle-Gro Moisture Control Potting Mix?


Our potting soils generally contain peat moss (the major component that is harvested from natural peat bogs), compost (the compost may contain animal manures, composted leaves, grass clippings, and/or composted bark), and perlite (white volcanic rocks used for drainage and soil texture). Some contain Osmocote fertilizer that look like small clear fluid-filled balls.

The Miracle-Gro Moisture Control Potting Mix also contains composted hulls of coconuts to help absord more water than regular potting soil. This is the Aqua Coir (pronounced "core") component of the soil
 

sodalite

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there is no such thing as plant em and forget em. if you want to be succesfull. it sounds nice but it never works as planed if you want nice plants they need to be takin care of. sorry man not trying to bash thats just the way it is. you dont here to many stories about people planting them coming back in fall to find some pounders. its like vegetable gardening they need a little care. my grampa has used plastic around his plants for probly 50 years no new tech there.
 

SCARHOLE

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there is no such thing as plant em and forget em. if you want to be succesfull. it sounds nice but it never works as planed if you want nice plants they need to be takin care of. sorry man not trying to bash thats just the way it is. you dont here to many stories about people planting them coming back in fall to find some pounders. its like vegetable gardening they need a little care. my grampa has used plastic around his plants for probly 50 years no new tech there.

LOL, I know ive tried it many unsuccessfull times to "plant em an forget em", most died with out watering. I still plant seeds in irrigated areas the city pays for. Then I just forget em. I have been doing this for years. I used to save seeds all year an pour em out in the rain water header for the drainage ditches. Never could check em , some had to come up some time.:leaf:


But if i can cut my watering in half its money well spent. An it looks pretty safe, the MG soil just uses coco hulls to hold water, an the ZEBA gel is starch based so ill use both.
 

sodalite

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i was going to try a few plants grown in just coco coir myself this year. i have house plants growing in it they grow nice. yea use the polymers they do work.the year i used them was a wet one so i didnt realy get a feel for them that way. but ive worked in a greenhouse for a few years and my mother uses them for her container gardening. mom loves them and at the greenhouse we never used them for anything i can remember but people bought lots and loved them. i talked with lots of people who liked using them. the only reason we didnt use them was the cost and quick turn around on plants we were not growing them for the season. just growing to sell. i just worry about chemicals nowdays is all.
 

tip top toker

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if they effect the taste, well hell, it's better than not using it, coming back and finding dying plants a week later. if it's for use simply because the user can't be arsed with watering (although by the outdoor side of things mentioned, i'd guess it's more a big effort than "can't be arsed") then shame on you, but id it's the most feasible way of keeping your plants going, then a change of taste seems a fair tradeoff
 
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