Any Organic Purists in Arizona?

Hÿdra;9820775 said:

so is blood and bone NOT organic? OR is it bad for the type of soil im trying to make?

Or is it just gross that they scrape it off floors??

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Blood and bone work exceptionally well. They are maybe the highest containing organic sources in N (blood) P (bone) and while organic they may contain
anti biotics hormones etc. You would not notice any problems and they will help fertilize an excellent living soil but some people try
to maintain complete healthful purity to there mmj for lack of (better words).
Others go so far as to detest any non plant ingredients or animal derived products although
many are still organic and work the same way with the same great results.

thecoolman said:

No offense but when I hear about pounds per light or grams per watt it is absolutely meaningless.
100 stretchy columnar shaped hybrids yields huge in a tray but is ilegall. Vegging long enough will get you a great yield
every time. I personally get great yields in hydro but I sacrifice a little bit because I like every bud to get 100 percent light and be rock fucking hard with no fluff.
If I packed more plants in I would yield more but quality would go down-I hate fluff.
Now I guarantee you wont be pulling high numbers with say my oldschool bubba kush but if I grow critical mass, super skunk,big bud, ak47, etc instead could I brag?
It is always a compromise too some extent yield vs quality when deciding what to grow and any decent fertilizer program organic or other wise will get you there. As far as a perfect fertilizer program it requires
soil and leaf tissue analysis by a lab. That is how the commercial agg industry does it and even I have done it a couple times to hone things a bit.

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Word, I find it pretty important to see how I am doing against myself which is why I keep track... Ive pushed my bubba to the weights of my other strains before and have gsc plans that are 6 ft tall, I find that most strains can push that 2 per light number while some cash push more. I feel its significant when you are talking about not even hitting one per light

1337hacker said:

Word, I find it pretty important to see how I am doing against myself which is why I keep track... Ive pushed my bubba to the weights of my other strains before and have gsc plans that are 6 ft tall, I find that most strains can push that 2 per light number while some cash push more. I feel its significant when you are talking about not even hitting one per light

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I primarily grow potent med strains and I dont believe most good ogs or bubbas yield near as much as many other strains. Not trying to be a dick but what strain is in your pic? It looks more like a high yield strain.
I keep track as well but pulling over a gram per watt without any fluffiness or popcorn may be reaching on many strains on other strains not at all for example my stardawg yields 250% more than my pre 98 raspberry bubba cut. I do agree on always pulling at least close to 1 per light though which is about 1/2 gram a watt.

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thecoolman said:

I primarily grow potent med strains and I dont believe most good ogs or bubbas yield near as much as many other strains. Not trying to be a dick but what strain is in your pic? It looks more like a high yield strain than a top shelf strain.
I keep track as well but pulling over a gram per watt without any fluffiness or popcorn as you say may be reaching on many strains on other strains not at all for example my stardawg yields 250% more than my pre 98 raspberry bubba cut. I do agree on always pulling at least 1 per light though which is about 1/2 gram a watt.

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that's wifi og, tested 20+ on hplc and 25 at azmedtesting , my last run of bubba yielded the same gpw as wifi did all nugs too , took me 5 runs on bubba to tune her in as she needs even more camg and p than the wifi as she root binds quickly... Both strains are great but the bay 11 (og X gc) X og in the works is gonna blow them both away

Interesting it looks quite a bit different than my wifi cut but hell theirs more than 1 pheno.
I have been looking at testing facilities and just cant find a decent one in az
Az med is a complete fucking joke but what is hplc?

thecoolman said:

Interesting it looks quite a bit different than my wifi cut but hell theirs more than 1 pheno.
I have been looking at testing facilities and just cant find a decent one in az
Az med is a complete fucking joke but what is hplc?

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high performance liquid chromatography... Az med testing claims to have a machine but they always use the GC test

thecoolman said:

Interesting it looks quite a bit different than my wifi cut but hell theirs more than 1 pheno.
I have been looking at testing facilities and just cant find a decent one in az
Az med is a complete fucking joke but what is hplc?

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and from what I understand from the fella that runs the hplc, is that very few, if any strains he has ever tested top the 20 % mark on the hplc. I don't know what Wifi cut you have but this Wifi Cut smells like Lemon Pinesol and doesn't really resemble the white so much, except in the fact that the fan leaves resinate a ton

Fishbone is great, I just have found the less need for some many inputs when I getting all I need from less. Those which I have listed in previous recipes are based upon high quality starting material like vermicompost specifically. J.R. Peters is great testing facility for media as recommended by many gardeners hobbyist or not. Cultivar selection as coolman mentioned to "pull the big weight" is a HUGE factor to consider when trying to achieve huge yields. Environment, lighting and other factors can totally change the outcome the final product as I have seen this many times when having to relocate or simply giving a cut away to another person allowed to cultivate. My collection is focused on medicinal value and less on yields but that's not to say I don't have a few heavy hitters or flavors of the month. That wifi cut that goes around was great or at least the one I tried. Nice yield and very strong. I miss her in my collection actually but I have learned with the law you have to pick your favorites. The point of this thread was never to reinvent something that hasn't already been done per say. I just wanted to see who was out there in my world. There seems to be a lot of interest with the Living Organic Soil movement which makes me want to continue to share my experiences with the local population. Payin dues.. Namaste!

What do you have growing in your outdoor garden? Right now I have planted winter cover crops such as vetch, red clover, and rye. Increase biomass and soil tilth with no tilling of your land. http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/09/cover-crops-no-till-david-brandt-farms

I also use cover crops indoors and companion plants. Having 5 different non cannabis plants going on in one container isn't uncommon for me. Take your outdoor methods indoors is what we preach.

My garden is fallow ATM....and it gets a little cool to start too much before the "winter rain"..and I still have grasshoppers up the ying-yang. We have had one light frost...not enough to take them down. But when it does....alfalfa, mustard, buckwheat, the spring weeds. Stuff that naturally grows....and I am sure to have volunteers. Two of my girls, this year, came up when I was running water to keep my pipes from freezing. Stood thru many frosts and SNOW. I covered them a couple of times, but no additional heat.

coolman back to the African worms. This is a post from wiki. I use redworms but they have given me past issues an now reside in my containers since they can escape the heat. My area can get rather worm in the summer which makes me want to try these Africans I mention. Since my temps never exceed 86F I should have no issue with these aggressive composters. After raising thousands indoors I will feel more comfortable creating an outside area next to my compost heap so if they perish I will have backups. Making proper vermicompost is other can of worms literally. I know where to get the best if I want to shell $$$ but why the hell not master making your own. It's not much more work once you get your environment straight and you will have better than you can buy more often than not depending what you feed your worms. Eudrilus eugeniae is a species of earthworm native to tropical west Africa and now widespread in warm regions, both wild and under vermiculture, also called the african night crawler growth: • Fecundity, growth, maturation and biomass production were all significantly greater at 25°C than 15°, 20°or 30°. {25ºC = 77ºF} • The growth of individual earthworms increased the lower the population density, but the greatest overall earthworm biomass production occurs at the highest population density. • The greatest number of cocoons per week and the number of hatchlings per cocoon are obtained at 25°C. Cocoons of E. eugeniae hatched in only 12 days at 25°C, the earthworms at these temperatures reached sexual maturity in as little as 35 days after hatching. life cycle: • Throughout its life cycle, E. eugeniae grew much more rapidly than Eisenia fetida, in similar environmental conditions. The West-African nightcrawler grows well at a temperature of 24-30°C (75-86°F). Maximum weight 2.5 grams occurs within 8-10 weeks. • The African nightcrawler has a uniform purple-grey sheen and the posterior segments are evenly tapered to a point. The segments of the Brandling worm (Eisenia fetida) alternate reddish-orange and brown; the posterior segments do not taper, and the final segment is blunt.

Azoned said:

My garden is fallow ATM....and it gets a little cool to start too much before the "winter rain"..and I still have grasshoppers up the ying-yang. We have had one light frost...not enough to take them down. But when it does....alfalfa, mustard, buckwheat, the spring weeds. Stuff that naturally grows....and I am sure to have volunteers. Two of my girls, this year, came up when I was running water to keep my pipes from freezing. Stood thru many frosts and SNOW. I covered them a couple of times, but no additional heat.

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Yeah you have somewhat different elements where you live. I've been really focused on arid desert farming. If you can grow something in the desert you can grow pretty much anywhere imo. We need rain haha..

Also I failed to mentioned that one main reason besides ethics and choosing this path is that eventually I want to grow for "free" or damn close. This is my practice for my vision of nice sized green house to provide food and medicine for my family. Get out of Babylon and back to homesteading.

I guess you would call this area I'm in a semi-arid grassland. It's the cold air drainage that make it so much colder here. Our lows can be the same or colder than Mt Lemmon. It's crazy

Hi Treep...that is what I AM doing. I pay for water...es todo!

My production costs [water, materials]...is less than $5/oz and my meds are plenty good. .I will refrain from going off on a rant about med pricing...y'all know where I stand on that.


...but yeah..we can grow apples down here...citrus will not survive the cold, outdoors.

GSC Thin mints




Gota Kola and Betal leaf

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headtreep said:

Fishbone is great, I just have found the less need for some many inputs when I getting all I need from less. Those which I have listed in previous recipes are based upon high quality starting material like vermicompost specifically. J.R. Peters is great testing facility for media as recommended by many gardeners hobbyist or not. Cultivar selection as coolman mentioned to "pull the big weight" is a HUGE factor to consider when trying to achieve huge yields. Environment, lighting and other factors can totally change the outcome the final product as I have seen this many times when having to relocate or simply giving a cut away to another person allowed to cultivate. My collection is focused on medicinal value and less on yields but that's not to say I don't have a few heavy hitters or flavors of the month. That wifi cut that goes around was great or at least the one I tried. Nice yield and very strong. I miss her in my collection actually but I have learned with the law you have to pick your favorites. The point of this thread was never to reinvent something that hasn't already been done per say. I just wanted to see who was out there in my world. There seems to be a lot of interest with the Living Organic Soil movement which makes me want to continue to share my experiences with the local population. Payin dues.. Namaste!

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yes you are very right that environment can play a huge factor and may be one of the reasons I have had some success on the yields. I feel no-till gardening, veganics and rols are all great methods when executed properly. When grow space and outdoor land is available to me I'd love to try some sustainable methods, living in the city right now it is difficult to have all these things going at once in limited indoor space. The most interesting piece to me is an article I read about a community that runs veganics in thailand... really awesome informational piece that shows how a good sustainable veganics practice can transform non fertile land even. Also I feel AZ has some great outdoor weather to try for some big 10 + pounders you see up in cali... All in time

water is THE big problem in "sustainable" here. If we aren't careful with our resources, we will get rationed enough to drink and that will be all.

Mini rant----In the 40+yrs I have lived here, listening to the govt say save water while they are planting more houses. Look at the population down here in '70 and now. We are robbing Peter to pay Paul, as they say.

back to our regularly scheduled program....here's some of what I did this year