Anybody use kind soil outdoor?

Hey everyone. Havent been on in over a year so im sure there has been some post or threads about this. Im currently running a grow with kind soil for first time indoors. And its almost outdoor planting time and im thinking of using kind soil. But curious how other peoples grows went with kind soil outdoors. Im in florida so we have an abundance of rain and worried it might cause problems in there. Any info yall can give is appreciated.

UnderMeSensi said:

Hey everyone. Havent been on in over a year so im sure there has been some post or threads about this. Im currently running a grow with kind soil for first time indoors. And its almost outdoor planting time and im thinking of using kind soil. But curious how other peoples grows went with kind soil outdoors. Im in florida so we have an abundance of rain and worried it might cause problems in there. Any info yall can give is appreciated.

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doesn't that use a layered technique also?
with a layered mix that's with soluble nutrients may not be the best for a high-rain area
most of your nutrients with be leached out, not to mention cause irregular pockets of high acidity and possible anaerobic conditions
i'd HIGHLY advise some slow release, minimal leaching type nutrients for outside.
for outside one of the BEST nutrients is simple steer manure, you can use a LOT of it, provided it's obviously composted, which most are when they bag it, but it's cheap, and you can use a lot of it in your soil (some up to 30%), it degrades to humus as it's "used" and the microbes get at it.
an easy mix
25% steer manure
25% fresh local compost (not wood chips,)
40% pro mix HP
10% aeration

or you can spend much more for "pimp" nutrients, but outside you want slow releasing nutrients
so a more expensive mix would be like this, mixing slow and medium release dry meal based nutrients
slow release nitrogen
hoof/horn meal, hair of any kind, pet or human, feather meal (if found organically, otherwise contains arsenic), crab meal

slow release P and K

crab meal, rock phosphates, greensand (really slow, useless for first two grows), fish bone meal, PORCINE bone meal (never use bovine!), etc

medium release nutrients

shrimp meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, neem meal, soybean meal, langbeinite, kelp meal, etc

fast release (more soluble, and best left for topdressing)

most guanos, chicken, bat, seabird, etc.

greasemonkeymann said:

doesn't that use a layered technique also?
with a layered mix that's with soluble nutrients may not be the best for a high-rain area
most of your nutrients with be leached out, not to mention cause irregular pockets of high acidity and possible anaerobic conditions
i'd HIGHLY advise some slow release, minimal leaching type nutrients for outside.
for outside one of the BEST nutrients is simple steer manure, you can use a LOT of it, provided it's obviously composted, which most are when they bag it, but it's cheap, and you can use a lot of it in your soil (some up to 30%), it degrades to humus as it's "used" and the microbes get at it.
an easy mix
25% steer manure
25% fresh local compost (not wood chips,)
40% pro mix HP
10% aeration

or you can spend much more for "pimp" nutrients, but outside you want slow releasing nutrients
so a more expensive mix would be like this, mixing slow and medium release dry meal based nutrients
slow release nitrogen
hoof/horn meal, hair of any kind, pet or human, feather meal (if found organically, otherwise contains arsenic), crab meal

slow release P and K

crab meal, rock phosphates, greensand (really slow, useless for first two grows), fish bone meal, PORCINE bone meal (never use bovine!), etc

medium release nutrients

shrimp meal, alfalfa meal, fish meal, neem meal, soybean meal, langbeinite, kelp meal, etc

fast release (more soluble, and best left for topdressing)

most guanos, chicken, bat, seabird, etc.

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Thanks for that info. So if the something similar to the mix u described and then add in some crab meal or blood meal and then during start of flowering i could do a littoe top dress of some guano and should keep plant happy until harvest?

UnderMeSensi said:

Thanks for that info. So if the something similar to the mix u described and then add in some crab meal or blood meal and then during start of flowering i could do a littoe top dress of some guano and should keep plant happy until harvest?

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hmm, well, for the mix I like, the nitrogen is covered by nearly every other ingredient so I don't typically need or use blood meal, it's also rather soluble as well.
personally as a source of nitrogen I really prefer fish meal, crab meal, shrimp meal, steer manure (one of the best as it's long lasting and converts to microbe friendly humus after), alfalfa meal..
hell probably the best is (surprise) good fresh compost made from leaves and grass clippings is actually higher in macro values than almost any animal manure, no joke.
Make it from alfalfa meal, comfrey, and kelp to supercharge it a lil if desired.

But to answer your question, blood meal isn't a good choice for a mix that you want to keep em happy till harvest, too short lasting.
For what you are looking for, i'd go with fish meal, steer manure, and alfalfa meal, if you could source a lil bit of hoof and horn meal you could use a lil of that for the real slow release, that's not crucial, but recommended though, any slow release form is best for a mix to last till the end.

Sounds like a broken record to those that know me, but fresh comfrey is BADASS for nearly everything, has a great super soluble but non-leachable (sorta) type of nitrogen that readily is absorbed into the soil and the comfrey grows so damn hardy that you could nearly grow your own source of nutrients (still need a couple other things IMO)
Possibly the biggest advantage of comfrey is it's perfect amount of calcium and magnesium, small modest amounts that you can keep top dressing the leaves into the soil every ten to 14 days or so, on an established plant. Never see a cal/mag/n/k def again, I mean the numbers themselves are fairly modest (1.8-0.5-5.3) but it's highly degradeable , and you are using a good amount of it so it works well

here is a great link for more technical info on comfrey, worth reading.

http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/garden/comfrey-power