I personally own 2 mars pro 160's, and the bigger Cree model, also a mars 2 1200. I will trade them for 1000w hps. They are one of the least efficient lights out there. I use mine for back up only. I bought them because they are cheap. I also am running 2 clw 550's in a 5x5, they produce around 1 lb every 400 wats. I grew clones under both and clw blew mars out of water. The great thing about clw and timber you can actually speak to someone who speaks english, and both has great warranty. It took 6 weeks to get to drivers for mars 160, emails to china.I'm about to purchase from timber, the sales guy told me to check out the vero29, I have 10ft cieling, he said they have better spread than the cree, if you have the height. I can't run mars in summer to much heat, 15 degrees hotter than 1000w hps with a raptor reflector