Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

K now i know you are trolling without a purpose...
You bring up NASA and say you have done research, but apparebtly not on the panels you are bashing.
Newsflash! Apache has worked with NASA bro. While thisblittle encounter has given me a chuckle why dont you look back over this nice thread that you and others have derailed with your disbelief that this could take place lol

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Warriorbuds said:

In that case......you are obviously in a jam....and a change is needed......your street lights there are all changed or going to be changed to LED from HPS, Metal Halide? Wow! Parking lot lights...and such? That would not only be expensive initially,,,but take a lot of time as well.....Although....its good too hear that you guys are "feeling the squeeze on our planet"! Cheers! Thanks for adding that post!

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Yep, i think that's the plan. There's already one small city, here in Belgium, that take the first step to LED public lighting (just two streets in 2009 http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=376621 - this article is in french ). I agree with you, it will be a very high cost to switch the entire country.
Just to be more precise, it's the selling of HID that will be forbidden, not the use, at least for 2015.

GFS_Nic said:

Yep, i think that's the plan. There's already one small city, here in Belgium, that take the first step to LED public lighting (just two streets in 2009 http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=376621 - this article is in french ). I agree with you, it will be a very high cost to switch the entire country.
Just to be more precise, it's the selling of HID that will be forbidden, not the use, at least for 2015.

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First thing that comes to mind is......get your hands on the "black market" HID bulbs if your not legal...if you are legal.....It would need more thought..... Is anyone going to be checking? lol

Interesting situation....

Hey Fly....

I suck at growing weed bro... I wear size 12's btw....

I dont think intial start up for government sponsered programs is a problem. The money is there and technology,
it would even create more jobs in a long run and save money! http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/01/30/10-california-cities-saving-money-with-led-street-lights/

Solar powered led roads and street led lighting is a small example of things too come.

http://www.tdileds.com/Info/FPL Cities changing to LEDs.pdf

I believe Mexico City is more then half way on converting all street lights to led. Lots of cities in california have already converted to leds.

Warriorbuds said:

Hey Fly....

I suck at growing weed bro...View attachment 3188336 I wear size 12's btw....

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Stop posting other peoples shoes.
Ignored! Others should due the same! Simply click on his name and click ignore that easy

I'm confused as to where all this drama is coming from - The whole point of this thread and GG's grow was to see if Apaches claim that their (approx) 600w LED panel can perform as well as a 1000w HID. Considering that the final yield numbers were so close, I would say that is a pretty solid result for the Apache. GG also mentioned that other things like heat management was easier when using the LED (although I cant remember if that was this side by side or his previous grow with just the LED panel).

This result proves that the potential is there. From here on out, LEDs will get more efficient, output more usable light and will get cheaper. I have been watching this trend since the early KNNA days (osram golden dragons anyone?) and it is pretty obvious that LEDs will keep getting better for many years to come. While I do like HPS (easy to buy, easy to set up, easy to grow with all the information out there), I believe that they have pretty much peaked. They are about as efficient and bright as they are going to get. It was only a matter of time before LEDs surpassed HPS simply because LED technology is moving so quickly. What will happen in another 5 years considering how far we have gone in the last 5 years? That EU ruling regarding phasing out HPS lights will also spur the industry to come up with a viable solution which will lead to more innovation within the LED space.

TL : DR - HPS has been great to us, but it's only a matter of time before they are completely overshadowed by LEDs, simply due to the rate at which they are being improved.

NOW CAN WE ALL STOP MEASURING OUR DICKS AND GET BACK TO GROWING POT, PLEASE????

Warriorbuds said:

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You can go look in my thread. I have buds twice that size growing under 150w of led. And you can look at my grow before that with an xgs 190 pulling 6.5oz. Just sayin'...

Chronikool said:

This is why i am incorporating more 'blue ' into my latest panel....i have noticed this in budz under mainly blue light....although they take longer to finish

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Wow Ive Been Preaching For The Last 2 Years Mid You That Theirs Growing GOLD To Be Found In The 460-520 Nm Range


Nice Job Brother GG

The Dawg said:

Wow Ive Been Preaching For The Last 2 Years Mid You That Theirs Growing GOLD To Be Found In The 460-520 Nm Range
Nice Job Brother GG

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That be true Bruv.....but ya know that whole 1st hand experience thing....seeing is believing.....

i used to trust the internet.....

"The best are the undercurrent guys that don't get crazy g/w...but get mega crazy g/sqft...using vert and horizontals...basically sun power top to bottom of the plants."

Greengenes: thanks for providing such a detailed and interesting journal. It's the first one I've read from start to finish. I'm new around here, and I'm hoping you would be so kind as to point me to more information on the above quote?

Many thanks, again.

Sidnal said:

"The best are the undercurrent guys that don't get crazy g/w...but get mega crazy g/sqft...using vert and horizontals...basically sun power top to bottom of the plants."

Greengenes: thanks for providing such a detailed and interesting journal. It's the first one I've read from start to finish. I'm new around here, and I'm hoping you would be so kind as to point me to more information on the above quote?

Many thanks, again.

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You are very welcome. Sorry you had to read through so much shit to find some good info...this thread is derailed for sure.

But to answer you inquiry...
Each forum has their specialties...here at RIU it's led's and organics. But the thc farm has a very good following of undercurrent and vert guys..."tree farming" they call it. And that is exactly what it is...massive trees.
This is the only link I still have saved...
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/15-plant-grow-room.58904/

Long veg, LOTS of light, and top notch RDWC/UC(under current) systems. They also have a mod there...Cap...he owns OG teas/Caps bennies.And are doing some great things in/with the UC systems. Lots of info over there about undercurrent and tree farming.

If I was ever to go hydro...a full scale UC system would be the only way to go.

Headed that way now, thank you, sir.

Excellent thread GG. Cant wait to see them test results!!!

Greengenes707 said:

I throw the inca grow up today. It covers the area nicely. My garden is definitely bigger this round.
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The garden, zucchini, eggplant
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Blach cheery tomatoes, merlot grapes, strawberries with a blue frost in the back.
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beautiful garden. I wish I had a big yard. I would grow so many fruits and veggies. and cannabis too.. I only have room for ten 3 gal pots and one 15 gal pot. I'm growing mostly herbs and aloe and one tomato plant. Then in the 15 gal I have 9lb hammer lst'd . It started flowering already. I think it gets too much shade. It only gets direct sunlight from 5:30 am til 1:30 pm. Its big enough. I could probably just turn the light on outside to keep it in veg.

SupraSPL said:

He added fluoro (tanning lamp) to HPS. The vast majority of light from tanning fluoros is cool white light, with a tiny bit of UVA and UVB. This increases the blue percentage, so it could be the increase in blue, or the UVA or the UVB that caused the increase in cannabinoids. I suspect it is the 450nm blue that is making the difference because I see such a large difference between HPS bud and LED bud, even without UV supplementation.

If true, GGs test will be a good example of that.

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after a little digging I found an spd for a zoomed reptile bulb. does have some blue. a big spike around 440nm.

hyroot said:

after a little digging I found an spd for a zoomed reptile bulb. does have some blue. a big spike around 440nm.

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Thats their CFL,here is one for the T5 HO with some slight differences.

hyroot said:

beautiful garden. I wish I had a big yard. I would grow so many fruits and veggies. and cannabis too.. I only have room for ten 3 gal pots and one 15 gal pot. I'm growing mostly herbs and aloe and one tomato plant. Then in the 15 gal I have 9lb hammer lst'd . It started flowering already. I think it gets too much shade. It only gets direct sunlight from 5:30 am til 1:30 pm. Its big enough. I could probably just turn the light on outside to keep it in veg.

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It's a 10x10 bed, but I do have some room for some fruit trees next year. I've been remodeling since we got this place. Almost done finally.
I won't flower anything outdoors here. But a few big girls in veg is fine. You guys will shit when you see the mainline project. I think I might even go to 64 heads. The trunk is huge. And it is going to take up a whole 3x3, so might as well keep it lows and even.

hyroot said:

after a little digging I found an spd for a zoomed reptile bulb. does have some blue. a big spike around 440nm.

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captainmorgan said:

Thats their CFL,here is one for the T5 HO with some slight differences.View attachment 3188731

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Very interesting stuff. I have been saying it for quite a while too. A good blue source will do just as much for the trichomes as uvb. Apparently what I was thinking is uvb is actually a good hit of blue. Brings the question...with led's being able to produce specifically uvb(expensive, but do exist) or blue(old news), which really has the most effect. When is that test going down....my blue fit all saddle design is looking more and more like winner.

Next question that comes to mind is if we could break down that spectrum like the guru's have done with all the white phosphorus spectrums. I am curious how much flux and power is in the blue vs uvb.

Greengenes707 said:

When is that test going down....my blue fit all saddle design is looking more and more like winner.

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whats your "blue fit all saddle design" ?

While there has been a lot of grows with varying amounts of UVA UVB actinic blues etc. with claims for better resin production, and or higher thc production I haven't yet seen anybody prove out the UVB\UVA benefits in a measurable manner.

I'm using actinics to supplement my cheap chinese leds in hopes that thats good enough for UV supplementation effect, but have no evidence that it works. anybody ?