Are Boosters and Additives Really Necessary?

genuity said:

i do not use canna,but is this what you are talking about UB? chitosan

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Uncle Ben said:

Got a question, are you more interested in beating your chest or being shown something that might save you a lot of money and time mixing concoctions that contain eye of newt? Its sounds like to me he's offering to educate you with a first hand observation of his garden. Based on your responses, Victory might wanna consider the issue of trust first before trying to make a (futile) point.

Like I said before, it's like throwing pearls before swine when it comes to know-it-all noobs who have 0 to a few gardens under their belt.

UB

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VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

Oh, and when you get there, I'm the skinny white guy, not the 350lb black dude.

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Uncle Ben said:

No....... PK13/14 suggests potassium phosphate to me. That's a feeling or educated guess on my part, not a fact.

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insomnia47 said:

yeah, if no one else cares i would like to know whats in pk 13/14 that makes it magical

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genuity said:

exoskeletons.....

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insomnia47 said:

interesting..... theres an organic fertilizer ouit there called neptunes harvest, they use it for 1000lb pumpkins as a foliar spray. one of there products is made from crab shells, supposed to be a huge source of Ca i believe, i just started using there fish fertilizer, smells like shit though

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Uncle Ben said:

BT was banned and I have had run-ins with fdd, been banned, been unbanned and banned again, been given a point for "inappropriate language", had pinned threads (topping) unpinned.....generally harrassed by a stupid little mod punk.....all of his childish power plays overturned by admin. A lot of veteran growers including myself are tired of the bullshit and migrating here..... to answer your question: http://riddlem3.com/index.php




Well, if you want to believe you'll get some "zip", then believe, and buy. But, who said it will give you some "zip", a carefully scripted ad? Forum anecdotal evidence, a testamonial?

NPK is NPK although you never did discuss what's in it nor do you understand the concept of Nutrient Antagonism which I linked you to. So, it's all about feelings, rationalizations ("it will last 100 grows"), the cute label, the power of persuasion - marketing. BTW, ClamDigger gave you an excellent response and did discuss plant nutrition.

The only extra "zip" YOU need is to learn how to grow a plant with the most healthy foliage and root system until harvest. So what do folks do? They follow some erroneous forum/Dutch paradigm, hit their plants with too much K and P (i.e. PK13/14), then flush, and induce leaf drop..... the very plant unit that makes what they're after - bud! It's hilarious.

Having said that, we've been down this road before. Some of you are too embarrassed to admit you bought into the scams and wasted a lot of time and money, some don't know better and go along to get along, some just have the money to burn and don't care, and most do not understand nor care about plant nutrition, concepts of nutrient antagonism, etc. They are lazy, need a chart, schedule, a dream......need to be told what to do and what to buy. Many have never grown a plant before...... they just go off into cannabis...... and with every new group of noobs it's the same old questions and the same old dreams of 'BIG BUD man', themes and feelings which vendors feed off of.

As an aside, plants do not need or require outside applications of carbos or sugars, they manufacture their own. Learn what makes a plant tick people.

Good luck,
UB

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unity said:

These guys are so dishonest with their sweeping comments, so fucking self-serving it is unreal. Didn't expect this from an old man.
Where as the study he sites regarding B1 (thiamine) shows that B1 is useless in soil and healthy plants outdoors, it also states several other supplements that actually do increase root growth. The study is also stating:

"Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine. Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it’s likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment."

Notice how the word soil pops up here several time. Now, I do not know if B1 works, from the study UB refers to it appears that if the plants are in a healthy soil it is unlikely that it will need to be supplemented, but that is a long way from saying that it is a snake oil and has no use.
You are intellectually dishonest, I'm done with this conversation old man.

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VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

I don't know everything, but I do know your a douchbag looking for a fight. It doesn't matter what anyone says, you 2 numbskulls just won't get it. Good luck with your additives.

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genuity said:

yea i read up on that stuff,that 12 pound pail of crab shells looks good,id make a nice morning time mist with that stuff.

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billcollector99 said:

Do you guys carry Cutting Edge, if so what is your opinion on it?

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VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

I don't have it on the shelf as know one has ever asked for it, I can get it in 1 day though. If I have a customer that wants it, I put it on my shelf. I honestly never used it, so I have no opinion.

EDIT, after looking at the products, which there are alot of, seems like it's just missing the pretty girl and high dollar magazine. you can get all of that in one bag/bottle.

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LuniLumi said:

You are just fucking dense huh? The fucking plant produces its own B! and other vitamins...doesn't come from the ground so how the fuck will supplementing it help? You just wanna stay dumb and act like you are smart...go read a botany book then you will see how stupid you sound...man fuck this place

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billcollector99 said:

Care to give me a recommendation then... ?

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fdd2blk said:

it's posts like this that are the ROOT of ALL the problems at rollitup.

i really would like some help from EVERYONE with this. i have no idea how to fix it.

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